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July 4, 2012 2:20:35 AM

Im looking at getting an fx processor. I know people say they are bad but I already have an am3+ board (970 extreme3) and anything I get is going to blow my computer away. The cpu's I'm looking at are either a 4100/4170 or an 8120 and overclocking it. I also have an antec kuhler 620 so cooling shouldnt be a problem.


1) Which should I get.
2) would the 8120 run better than the 4xxx's if i disabled half the cores and let 4 cores each have a whole module.
3) If I should get the 4xxx's which one because I have no idea how to overclock but dont mind trying to figure out how. Im just worried if I got the 4100 i wouldnt get it to perform as well as the 4170

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July 4, 2012 2:42:41 AM

The FX-4170 is better for gaming than the 8120, higher stock frequency and well no games uses 8 cores that i know of :p  and well it is cheaper then the 8120
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July 4, 2012 2:44:00 AM

Not sure but I think the extreme3 has a core unlocker, so you could buy a quad core and unlock it to six if you wanted.
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July 4, 2012 2:45:14 AM

You cant unlock the fx processors
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July 4, 2012 2:49:51 AM

hijaxhfx said:
The FX-4170 is better for gaming than the 8120, higher stock frequency and well no games uses 8 cores that i know of :p  and well it is cheaper then the 8120

The 4170 is only better because its clocked higher. Since the 8120 has the same exact modules, just twice the amount of them, there is a "*" to your statement. An 8120 can effortlessly be clocked up to match the speed of the FX-4170 (4.2GHZ) and it can be done with the stock heatsink/fan assembly.

The FX CPUs cannot be unlocked for the record.

My advice however would be to get a Phenom II 965 if you need an AMD CPU TODAY for gaming, as they have more consistent performance, and wait for the end of the year for PileDriver (FX-8320s or 8350s)

Phenom II 965s are still available from both newegg and tigerdirect for $120

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... (OEM model, no fan, 30 day warranty only)
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July 4, 2012 3:27:37 AM

None man. Please do not missunderstood me, I am a huge AMD fan, but since bulldozer had so little improvement compared to the previous generation, I would say hang out a little bit and wait until piledriver is released. I have a 990fx board too and I am sticking around with my 955be, you can buy a 2nd hand one for a very low price. The 8350 is going to be a very good processor, very fast and competitive at least with SB, of course we´ll have to wait the price tag
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July 4, 2012 3:30:14 AM

Yea, I figure my Phenom II will get the job done until AMD is done with AM3+, thats what I'll hang out for.
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July 4, 2012 3:32:59 AM

Phenom II X4 965BE.
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July 4, 2012 3:59:37 AM

+1 on the 955BE/965BE for gaming.

if you're running other tasks that utilizes multi-threaded applications and have no interest in gaming, then the the FX-8xxx has it's uses if you're on a budget
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July 4, 2012 4:12:46 AM

I'd rather wait a few months for Piledriver than purchase ANY FX cpu.
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July 4, 2012 4:18:33 AM

amuffin said:
I'd rather wait a few months for Piledriver than purchase ANY FX cpu.

Yea, but you're an intel guy, lets be realistic, you wouldn't buy an AMD processor anyway. :kaola: 
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July 4, 2012 4:22:45 AM

franzn258 said:
You cant unlock the fx processors

Aww really someone told me you could, I've never owned one myself so just know what others say. But from my own experience spend $10 on a CPU that comes in a box for the 3 year warranty!
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July 4, 2012 4:25:33 AM

mace200200 said:
Aww really someone told me you could, I've never owned one myself so just know what others say.

There were some Phenom IIs and Athlon IIs that could be unlocked. For example Phenom II 960Ts, which were basically 1100T/1090T 6 cores with 2 cores locked. You have about a 50-60% chance of being able to unlock the 2 idle cores. Unfortunately, this cannot be done with Bulldozers.
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July 4, 2012 4:27:50 AM

I have a 6100 and at the moment i am not over clocking it. and the thing runs great for any game that i play and any program i run. sure it is not what the hype was about it and its not as good as say an Intel or even other Amd non FX chips when you go by the benchmarks.

But for the price and what it does it is not a horrible or bad Cpu at all.

That being said so far when ever i upgrade i will be going Intel :p  unless Amd creates something on par with them by the time i do
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July 4, 2012 4:33:35 AM

Thats because the "Anti-AMD" crowd is hyping things too. Gotta love the hypocrisy.
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July 4, 2012 4:37:53 AM

Yeah hard to find anything good about them. from what i can tell you might as well cut a square piece of wood and stick it in there, it prob run about the same :p 
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July 4, 2012 4:41:00 AM

nekulturny said:
Yea, I figure my Phenom II will get the job done until AMD is done with AM3+, thats what I'll hang out for.


You are badly mistaken, one thing is rejecting bulldozer due to its relative low performance, and another is to send a whole platform into oblivion. Trinity has already shown some very good result, I am quite sure the new 8350 will be better than the 2500k and probably will be very close to the 2600k, there is plenty of time yet for the 990fx to grow up, AMD is not like intel, they don´t chance sockets like underwear
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July 4, 2012 4:44:35 AM

GET THE 4100!!!! it has a faster clock speed out-of-box its amazing!!
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July 4, 2012 4:50:58 AM

davemaster84 said:
You are badly mistaken, one thing is rejecting bulldozer due to its relative low performance, and another is to send a whole platform into oblivion. Trinity has already shown some very good result, I am quite sure the new 8350 will be better than the 2500k and probably will be very close to the 2600k, there is plenty of time yet for the 990fx to grow up, AMD is not like intel, they don´t chance sockets like underwear



LOL, I don't know if I'm "badly" mistaken, I just made an off guard comment. Yes I am quite familiar with AMD's better track record of backward compatibility.

Let me revise my statement then. There is nothing I do on my computer that requires anything more powerful than my Phenom II. Obviously I bought an expensive, high quality mobo with a 5 year warranty for a reason. I did this knowing that AMD is good about using sockets for awhile. When the P II starts to feel sluggish to me, I'll put whatever the best 8 core AMD has at the time, if it be PileDriver so be it, maybe Steamroller or whatever else it is.
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July 4, 2012 5:08:59 AM

nekulturny said:
LOL, I don't know if I'm "badly" mistaken, I just made an off guard comment. Yes I am quite familiar with AMD's better track record of backward compatibility.

Let me revise my statement then. There is nothing I do on my computer that requires anything more powerful than my Phenom II. Obviously I bought an expensive, high quality mobo with a 5 year warranty for a reason. I did this knowing that AMD is good about using sockets for awhile. When the P II starts to feel sluggish to me, I'll put whatever the best 8 core AMD has at the time, if it be PileDriver so be it, maybe Steamroller or whatever else it is.

you'll be fine for a bit longer:
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The eight-core FX-8350 will still use socket AM3+ and will be manufactured using a 32 nm process, but it carries the hope that AMD will deliver on its promise to achieve a 10 to 15 percent performance increase over the previous Bulldozer design

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/cpu-fx-piledriver-cpu-...

but you know i am only replying to crack on how short lived the FM1 socket is/was :lol: 
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July 4, 2012 5:13:32 AM

franzn258 said:
Im looking at getting an fx processor. I know people say they are bad but I already have an am3+ board (970 extreme3) and anything I get is going to blow my computer away. The cpu's I'm looking at are either a 4100/4170 or an 8120 and overclocking it. I also have an antec kuhler 620 so cooling shouldnt be a problem.


1) Which should I get.
2) would the 8120 run better than the 4xxx's if i disabled half the cores and let 4 cores each have a whole module.
3) If I should get the 4xxx's which one because I have no idea how to overclock but dont mind trying to figure out how. Im just worried if I got the 4100 i wouldnt get it to perform as well as the 4170



1) If you do not want to wait till Piledriver is released and it has to be an AMD FX. I'd say 8120. Overclocking is relatively painless and mine is currently running undervolted @4.2
2) In gaming, the FX processor's clock speed is what makes the biggest difference not modules. The FX 4100 ran quicker than the 8120 in tom's sub 200 gaming cpu article.
3) It's really easy to overclock these cpu's. Couldn't find the article I usually refer to, but as long as you play it smart and don't crank up the voltage to get an aggressive overclock you'll be fine.

Cheers.
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July 4, 2012 5:22:46 AM

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you'll be fine for a bit longer:
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The eight-core FX-8350 will still use socket AM3+ and will be manufactured using a 32 nm process, but it carries the hope that AMD will deliver on its promise to achieve a 10 to 15 percent performance increase over the previous Bulldozer design

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/cpu-fx-piledriver-cpu-...

but you know i am only replying to crack on how short lived the FM1 socket is/was :lol: 

Yea, I know lol. Hopefully they don't start a trend, AMD has to fight tooth and nail for every customer they get, between the legitimate gripes and blatant stupidity of Intel fanboys, their backwards compatibility is one of their strong suits. :D 
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July 4, 2012 5:24:46 AM

franzn258 said:
Im looking at getting an fx processor. I know people say they are bad but I already have an am3+ board (970 extreme3) and anything I get is going to blow my computer away. The cpu's I'm looking at are either a 4100/4170 or an 8120 and overclocking it. I also have an antec kuhler 620 so cooling shouldnt be a problem.


1) Which should I get.
2) would the 8120 run better than the 4xxx's if i disabled half the cores and let 4 cores each have a whole module.
3) If I should get the 4xxx's which one because I have no idea how to overclock but dont mind trying to figure out how. Im just worried if I got the 4100 i wouldnt get it to perform as well as the 4170


Hi franzn258,

At this point of time, buying a Bulldozer processor isn't worth it. AMD's Piledriver, the next generation of Bulldozer, will be released later this year and early benchmarks have shown a 15% performance improvement.

So, I recommend you to wait for Piledriver as it will better than Phenoms and will closely match-up with Sandy Bridges too.

However, if you don't want to wait, then you should buy AMD FX-4100 instead of FX-4170 because the latter is just a pre-overclocked model with a higher price tag. You can overclock the FX-4100 to 4.2GHz yourself without any hassle and it will start to deliver equal performance just like the FX-4170. But, if you don't play games and do other multi-threaded tasks like video converting, encoding, etc., then the FX-8120 will be best for you.

Regards,
SmartGeek
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July 4, 2012 5:36:03 AM

nekulturny said:
Yea, I know lol. Hopefully they don't start a trend, AMD has to fight tooth and nail for every customer they get, between the legitimate gripes and blatant stupidity of Intel fanboys, their backwards compatibility is one of their strong suits. :D 

i was going to upgrade from a 775 to an AMD set up just for that reason until i saw what an sandy i3 could get me. but i'll get accused of being a intel fan boy because i will call someone out who blatantly bashes intel strictly out of hate. hey i had a 586-133 and was all stoked it would get me the performance of a pentium90 for half the cost (yes i am slightly dating myself)
but when i see the gobbledygook that a Llano can be a budget gaming system, when the first thing i see happen is people dumping the igpu for a discrete, it has me wondering if AMD isn't shooting themselves in the foot and reinforcing the stereotype that they put out inferior products when they try to market a gloried HTPC like that.
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July 4, 2012 5:38:42 AM

SmartGeek said:
So, I recommend you to wait for Piledriver as it will better than Phenoms and will closely match-up with Sandy Bridges Lynnfield/Bloomfield too.


fixed that for ya :) 
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July 4, 2012 6:02:30 AM

Anonymous said:
i was going to upgrade from a 775 to an AMD set up just for that reason until i saw what an sandy i3 could get me. but i'll get accused of being a intel fan boy because i will call someone out who blatantly bashes intel strictly out of hate.

I plead the 5th, I definitely have never accused you of being an Intel fanboy. *looks around* :sarcastic:  lol!

I do hate Intel as a corporation, you know I do, but I hope by now at least you know that I'm not going to deny they make a stronger product, I merely beg the question, is the stronger product at a higher cost necessary? I hate Intel for their corporate greed and exploitations of Capitalism.

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hey i had a 586-133 and was all stoked it would get me the performance of a pentium90 for half the cost (yes i am slightly dating myself)


Hey, if a fat ugly nerd like me can get a date, theres hope for you too! I know, I get stoked about talking about computers sometimes, while my guy is a nerd too in his own way, he humors me on my computer musings.
I hate this picture, cus it shows how much weight I put back on after being laid off so long, but what the hell? At least I can pass for 17, (I'm 27)

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/7254/meandmax.png


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but when i see the gobbledygook that a Llano can be a budget gaming system, when the first thing i see happen is people dumping the igpu for a discrete, it has me wondering if AMD isn't shooting themselves in the foot and reinforcing the stereotype that they put out inferior products when they try to market a gloried HTPC like that.


Yea, to be honest I really dont know how AMD marketed Llano, as I didn't really follow it. They're great as a stand alone APU, but I was in a thread earlier guy was running one of the lesser Llanos with a 7850, and he was wanting to know if a 3870K was a worthwhile upgrade. *sigh*. But then again, we have people running around with i3-2100s with GTX 680s too, so I don't know if it was bad marketing or people not researching things enough to know about balancing a system.
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July 4, 2012 6:13:19 AM

nekulturny said:
At least I can pass for 17, (I'm 27)


17(?) oh pass for 17 . . .sure [:lutfij:3]

still i am 48 looking older than 28. you can call me dad.

(but not daddy please, i find that . . weird)
:lol: 
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July 4, 2012 6:21:07 AM

LOL or should i say lirl (laughing in real life?), you don't think? I got carded to buy a pocket knife at walmart. Apparently you have to be 16 to buy one. Idk, maybe the people I run into are just bad at judging age.
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July 4, 2012 6:42:09 AM

well look at who works at walmart, did they need a calculator to subtract the year from the year of your birth date?
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July 4, 2012 7:04:07 AM

Don't be silly, the cash register tells them what date you have to be born before in order to be old enough. :lol: 

Some of these people take the carding stuff hardcore serious. This woman at the convenience store down the street has known me for 10 years, you can bet she won't sell me a pack of smokes without my ID.

I like the signs that say if you look younger than 27, we have to card you. How the hell did the government bean counters come up with that number? When I first started at Autozone years ago we were supposed to card people to sell spray paint if they weren't 18 we couldn't sell it. I carded one guy, he turned out to be 31. I never bothered again.
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July 4, 2012 7:22:22 AM

i use to work at the door of a punk rock club and started out pretty anal about carding. just made it stressful to the point i would have to jump in the mosh pit for some relief. after i relaxed on it, i starting jumping in the pit for fun.
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July 4, 2012 8:28:02 AM

So which FX processor would someone recommend for Photoshop (daily use) and AutoCAD (occasional use)?
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July 4, 2012 8:45:47 AM

Anonymous said:
fixed that for ya :) 

Actually, I dunno, a 15 percent improvement seems about right, especially if Intel keeps price gouging. Intel i7-3770Ks are $40 more bucks than i7-2700Ks?!? Seriously? If I wasn't already on an Intel strike, I'd tell em to shove it. :fou: 

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=434

Intels greed actually works in AMD's favor. Intel digs their heels in and says "We're not dropping the prices of our CPUs for any reason", meanwhile AMD launches PileDriver 8 cores at higher prices, in the initial release people will buy them, but then when the sales wane and they drop the MSRP, it makes it a more attractive option for budget-conscious consumers.
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July 4, 2012 8:46:32 AM

dimer101 said:
So which FX processor would someone recommend for Photoshop (daily use) and AutoCAD (occasional use)?

8120 overclocked would be my answer for everything if considering an FX CPU today.
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July 4, 2012 9:12:45 AM

Hello.
franzn258, can you wait around a month?
According to CPU World and fudzilla , we might have some numbers from benchmarks in August:
"According to current schedule production ready samples are expected in roughly a month (early August)."

Then you can decide what FX CPU to buy, if it's worth it to wait or if it's not you can buy a buldozer FX in a month.
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July 4, 2012 9:17:18 AM

nekulturny said:
Yea, but you're an intel guy, lets be realistic, you wouldn't buy an AMD processor anyway. :kaola: 

I am strongly considering Piledriver for another Folding@Home rig, especially considering how cheap AMD boards with four pcie slots are. [:lutfij:4]
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July 4, 2012 9:23:43 AM

Memnarchon said:
Hello.
franzn258, can you wait around a month?
According to CPU World and fudzilla , we might have some numbers from benchmarks in August:
"According to current schedule production ready samples are expected in roughly a month (early August)."

Then you can decide what FX CPU to buy, if it's worth it to wait or if it's not you can buy a buldozer FX in a month.

Samples don't always justify CPU performance, sometimes a little, sometimes not at all.
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July 4, 2012 9:31:00 AM

Buys cheap (or used) pII u can find, and hold out till piledriver out.....
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July 4, 2012 9:39:13 AM

amuffin said:
Samples don't always justify CPU performance, sometimes a little, sometimes not at all.


Memnarchon said:
"According to current schedule production ready samples are expected in roughly a month (early August)."


Yes and no. Samples aren't always accurate, but production ready samples are.
I personally can't remember any production ready sample that wasn't accurate the last years.
pe: The most recent new CPU was Ivybridge. Anandtech's ivy production ready sample was accurate.
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July 4, 2012 9:53:33 AM

nekulturny said:
Actually, I dunno, a 15 percent improvement seems about right, especially if Intel keeps price gouging. Intel i7-3770Ks are $40 more bucks than i7-2700Ks?!? Seriously? If I wasn't already on an Intel strike, I'd tell em to shove it. :fou: 

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=434

Intels greed actually works in AMD's favor. Intel digs their heels in and says "We're not dropping the prices of our CPUs for any reason", meanwhile AMD launches PileDriver 8 cores at higher prices, in the initial release people will buy them, but then when the sales wane and they drop the MSRP, it makes it a more attractive option for budget-conscious consumers.

not disputing the increase but AMD started losing ground during the core2 generation. itel been leaping about 15% each generation so i can't believe piledriver would be inline with the sandy generation but the lynnfield/bloomfield.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=434 <--- fixed that for ya :lol: 

and look on the bright side if there was no evil empire what would the good guy fight against?
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July 4, 2012 10:13:49 AM

nekulturny said:
8120 overclocked would be my answer for everything if considering an FX CPU today.



I don't know how to OC so if I didn't do that, will it still be FX8120?
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July 4, 2012 12:07:05 PM

What? An AMD thread with over 40 replies and no trolling/flaming? Something's gone horribly, horribly right! Keep it up, people.
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July 4, 2012 1:04:28 PM

nekulturny said:
LOL, I don't know if I'm "badly" mistaken, I just made an off guard comment. Yes I am quite familiar with AMD's better track record of backward compatibility.

Let me revise my statement then. There is nothing I do on my computer that requires anything more powerful than my Phenom II. Obviously I bought an expensive, high quality mobo with a 5 year warranty for a reason. I did this knowing that AMD is good about using sockets for awhile. When the P II starts to feel sluggish to me, I'll put whatever the best 8 core AMD has at the time, if it be PileDriver so be it, maybe Steamroller or whatever else it is.


That's way too different :p  Anyway I think you should give the next gen processors a try, maybe you'll find paying for that mobo wasn't useless at the end :p 
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July 4, 2012 1:09:32 PM

dimer101 said:
I don't know how to OC so if I didn't do that, will it still be FX8120?


If you have no idea how to overclock it's the 8150, the 8120 stock clocks are low, while the 8150's are 3600 - 4200 with the boost
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July 4, 2012 2:20:15 PM

Thanks for the responses guys. Im probably going to go with the 4170 just because the sale ended on the 8120 and as much as I would like to be able to buy a processor now and another when piledriver comes out, I dont have that kind of money.
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July 4, 2012 2:42:33 PM

Best answer selected by franzn258.
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July 4, 2012 5:29:01 PM

Is dat you mal!?
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July 4, 2012 6:29:10 PM

amuffin and mal sitting in a tree,
K-I-S-S-I . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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July 4, 2012 7:23:11 PM

Anonymous said:
not disputing the increase but AMD started losing ground during the core2 generation. itel been leaping about 15% each generation so i can't believe piledriver would be inline with the sandy generation but the lynnfield/bloomfield.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/287?vs=434 <--- fixed that for ya :lol: 

and look on the bright side if there was no evil empire what would the good guy fight against?

Well, Sandy Bridge isn't going to get any better, its done lol. If PileDriver improves 15% then it comes close. As far as the 2600K, I didn't compare those because of the price. 2600Ks are $289. Intel has a big hole in their pricing between their duals and quads, if AMD milks that Achilles Heal.. Well..

Lol, as far as the evil empire, unfortunately its not a movie, its real people with real jobs who are affected by corporate bullies.
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