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March 20, 2012 11:04:34 PM

Hi, to start I'm 15 years old and I'm on a pretty tight budget, $400. What I'm looking for is a stable computer that will be able to handle gaming, not at really high frame rates on the highest settings just something significantly better than 20 fps at lowest settings across the board on fallout. Also it will be used for picture editing and video converting. But it doesn't have to be anything that crazy, since the best thing that I have even had is a stock ASUS CM1630-05. So most anything will be a big upgrade.

Here is what I have picked out, I looked at some off the build people are doing and picked certain things out of them.

Processor:
AMD A8-3850 $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
AMD Phenom II X4 965 $125
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram:
4gb DDR3 PNY ram $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

DVD drive:
Samsung dvd drive $22
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...
or
PATA dvd drive with PATA to SATA adapter $3-4 or less

Hard drive:
Cheapest one I can find
or
use PATA 250 gb Seagate Barracuda with PATA to SATA adapter? $3-4 or less

OS:
Linux and XP 32bit $0
(It'll work till I can get windows 7

Power supply:
waiting till I see what I going to need power wise.

Case:
Anything that holds computer together
(Would you recommend any cases with a built in power supply or should I go with a separate one?)

Motherboard:
Would like to go with ATX because its only a few dollars more
(What would you go with, ATX or Micro ATX?)

Graphics card:
Spend whatever is left over of the budget on it
(Don't know whether or not to go with crossfire/sli. Is it worth it for what I'm doing and does it require anything extra to have like a better psu?)

That leaves about $250 for the motherboard,power supply, case, and graphics card if I reuse the dvd drive and hard drive. But don't think that I have to get a really great graphics card. I would rather have a rather crappy one and a better motherboard and psu and upgrade the graphics card later.

Thanks for anything you can tell me and please throw any ideas at me that you get for any of the parts that I need, or which one to go with.

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March 21, 2012 12:19:51 AM

For this price I would go with a I3-2120 ($127) and an H61 ($49).
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The processor saves you even more because it comes with a dvd burner.
I would go with the Radeon 6670 ($89)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
better ram ($20)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Here is a good, cheep case ($19)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
430 watt Power supply ($49)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total $353+tax+shipping
Also you probably can get a discount on widows 7 because you are a student.
March 21, 2012 12:35:40 AM

Yeah buddy I think adgjlsfhk just hit the nail on the head. If you get everything on his list you will be set. What are the specs on the hard drive you are trying to reuse? And to answer your question, Yes, to crossfire or SLI you will likely need a 500 to 800watt power supply depending on which cards you are crossfiring. However, if you went with an A8-3750 APU you could get that 6670 and crossfire with your APU while still using a 430watt PSU. But the motherboard will be a little more expensive.
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March 21, 2012 1:05:13 AM

I would go with intel bcause it will give you a better upgrade path. From this build, you could eventually go to an ivy bridge in a few years and it will make the build last for a long time.
March 21, 2012 2:48:35 AM

How do you get a discount on Windows 7? I am too a student and would like to learn how :) 

March 21, 2012 10:19:43 AM

I just looked, and I found that this deal only exists for collage students. Sorry, my bad.
On the power supply obsama suggested, I saw it but it does not come with a power cord which makes it a less good deal than it seams like.
March 21, 2012 8:18:12 PM

Two questions, does Asrock make good boards or should I spend the extra csah and get a ASUS, MSI, or Gigabyte board? Also would you really go with the i3 over one of the AMD quads for about the same price? And why? It just seems like the quad would stack up about the same in gaming and do better in things other than just gaming than the i3. But I could be totally wrong. Also would the i3 or a AMD quad bottleneck first, or wouldn't I have to worry about it. Does the i3 or the AMD quads perform better with lower end graphics which is what I'll be able to afford?
March 21, 2012 8:46:02 PM

stickg1 said:
Yeah buddy I think adgjlsfhk just hit the nail on the head. If you get everything on his list you will be set. What are the specs on the hard drive you are trying to reuse? And to answer your question, Yes, to crossfire or SLI you will likely need a 500 to 800watt power supply depending on which cards you are crossfiring. However, if you went with an A8-3750 APU you could get that 6670 and crossfire with your APU while still using a 430watt PSU. But the motherboard will be a little more expensive.




So does that mean that you would go with crossfire or SLI later on or not?
March 21, 2012 8:48:38 PM

Forgot to ask earlier, but with the hyper-threading does that make the i3 act like a quad core all the time, or just every now and then? Also if the hyper-threading is on most of the time will the i3 2120 run circles around anything that AMD makes?
March 21, 2012 9:31:30 PM

Hyper threading does not give it 4 cores, it has 4 threads. This means that for all 3 or more threaded programs it will act as if it had 4 threads. The I3-2120 does not quite run circles around amd's $200 processors but it keeps pace for half the price and uses half the power.
March 21, 2012 11:37:39 PM

So the i3-2120 would be a very good choice instead of going with AMD at about the same price?
March 22, 2012 12:02:01 AM

The A8-3850 will do better for video decoding/converting and picture editing. The i3 will be better for gaming. The integrated graphics with the A8 are much better than i3 integrated but if you buy a graphics card that doesnt really matter. With the A8 you could get a 6670 and it would crossfire with the processor. The i3 will likely be the better choice because in two years you can get an even better intel processor and drop it in the same socket for an upgrade. The A8 socket (FM1) is basically a dead socket now anyway. I would get the i3, and I think you could get a $60-$100 graphics card and be set for a few years.
March 22, 2012 12:45:49 AM

The I3-2120 and 2100 are very similar so whichever you choose should last you well for a while. Also the I3's awful integrated graphics means nothing because you are buying a discrete card.
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