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March 21, 2012 6:46:56 PM

Hi TH people,

First time I've actually put some time in to planning my own system, so I'd appreciate some input on my planned system.


Approximate Purchase Date: Most likely early May (Been waiting to get a new system until D3 was officially announced so I can get one as close to the time as possible, still unsure if this is a good time to buy or not).

Budget Range: 1000-1500~

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Heavy/competitive gaming.

Parts Not Required: Mouse, Keyboard, Speakers and OS

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Not too fussy. I have used the following in the past Ebuyer/Scan/Aria/Overclockers/Amazon.

Country: United Kingdom

Parts Preferences: nVidia

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: Needed


Current planned build:
- Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz Quad Core Processor (£169.99) (Can upgrade to i7 3.50GHz for £70~)

- Coolermaster HAF X Gaming Tower Case (£139.99)

- Corsair Hydro H80 Liquid CPU Cooler (£69.98)

- Asrock Z68 Extreme7 Gen3 Intel Z68 (£229.98) or Asus P8Z68 DELUXE GEN3 Intel Z68 (£192.00)/Asus P8Z68-V PRO GEN3 Intel Z68 (£169.98)

- Crucial Ballistix Elite 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 2000MHz CAS9 (£74.99)

- 2x GeForce GTX 560Ti 2048MB GDDR5 (£216 ea. / £432) or Is there a better alternative to graphics than this or is it worth the price bump over a single GPU?
I've always been a fan of nVidia cards, therefore I always tend to go for them.

- Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB SATA 6GB/s 32MB Cache (£92.99)

- Crucial RealSSD M4 64GB 2.5" 6Gb/s (£76.99)
Would it be worth having an SSD cache setup with this? Not sure on the details of how this impacts performance or if I may as well just have the SSD as the boot device with windows/main games and leave the other purely as storage.

- Corsair Enthusiast Series TX 850W V2 High Performance Power Supply (£95.99)


Current price £1670~ so I may go for the DIY option.

I have currently got this built on the system configurator, with the overclocking option of "Stage 4: Overclock of CPU/Memory - 25% Overclock (Processor speed x1.25 / Max Attainable RAM Speed)".

My current PC was bought from them 5 years~ ago though, still going strong after heavy use and pretty much on 24/7.

I also need a monitor to go with the system, everyone seems to have different opinions about these, but my budget would be £200-300 or so.


Any ideas on if I could tweak this system build to get similar performance but cut down the cost?


Thanks for your time!

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March 21, 2012 7:45:30 PM

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- Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz Quad Core Processor (£169.99) (Can upgrade to i7 3.50GHz for £70~)


That's not really much of an upgrade. The 2500K is tailor-made for gaming where the i7-2600K and i7-3820 are made for rendering and multimedia applications like Adobe CS5 and things like that. If you're going for a gaming system - it's 2500K all the way.

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- Coolermaster HAF X Gaming Tower Case (£139.99)

- Corsair Hydro H80 Liquid CPU Cooler (£69.98)


I'd cut down on the case and liquid cooler here. The HAF X is a nice choice but it's huge and quite a bit overkill. I'd say go for a Corsair Carbide 500R and a Hyper 212 and that will be a much safer choice.

I also like the Akasa Voodoo Venom for high-performance fans due to the fact that it's quiet and easier to install than most heat sinks: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/akasa-ak-cc4008hp01-veno...

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- 2x GeForce GTX 560Ti 2048MB GDDR5 (£216 ea. / £432) or Is there a better alternative to graphics than this or is it worth the price bump over a single GPU?
I've always been a fan of nVidia cards, therefore I always tend to go for them.


I hear this is better than going with a single 580, but when you consider that the new 7870 and 7950 are destroying even the highest end NVIDIA cards right now they're the way to go.

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- Asrock Z68 Extreme7 Gen3 Intel Z68 (£229.98) or Asus P8Z68 DELUXE GEN3 Intel Z68 (£192.00)/Asus P8Z68-V PRO GEN3 Intel Z68 (£169.98)


I'd definitely recommend the Asus boards over the Asrock, but alternately take a look at the Gigabyte Z68-UD3P:
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-ga-z68xp-ud3p-i...(x16)-atx

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Would it be worth having an SSD cache setup with this? Not sure on the details of how this impacts performance or if I may as well just have the SSD as the boot device with windows/main games and leave the other purely as storage.


Just run the drives separately and use the SSD as your boot drive - I've never setup the cache but I hear it's not the easiest thing to do.

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I have currently got this built on the system configurator, with the overclocking option of "Stage 4: Overclock of CPU/Memory - 25% Overclock (Processor speed x1.25 / Max Attainable RAM Speed)".


Don't mess with the speed of your RAM - that has the potential to be build-frying. Just let it run at the defaults and you'll be fine - overclocking your CPU is one thing but you *NEVER* want to set your RAM multipliers higher than what's specified on the stickers. You also don't want to use stock speeds higher than your motherboard can handle - I notice that you're using DDR3 2000 when most motherboards are only rated to handle up to 1600, and even Intel's RMA department only recommends 1333 at the highest. Mixing higher speeds with Sandy Bridge can be disastrous.

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I also need a monitor to go with the system, everyone seems to have different opinions about these, but my budget would be £200-300 or so.


You'll definitely hear varying opinions on this. I've personally never needed to go beyond 1900 x 1080 - only for really high end gaming and CS5 usage will you need any resolutions beyond that - most anything around 24" 1080p will work fine. Try this: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/24-benq-g2420hdbl-led-fu...

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Any ideas on if I could tweak this system build to get similar performance but cut down the cost?


I'd for sure cut down on the case and the cooler, and this is one instance where I'd actually cut down on the GPU - like I said a single 7870 will far outperform any 560TI setup - it may not touch SLI but it will come close, check out these benchmarks:
- http://www.anandtech.com/show/5691/the-retail-radeon-hd...
- http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...
March 22, 2012 12:06:17 AM

Thanks for reply g-unit1111, I've been slacking in the PC world the last couple of years, so I wouldn't get tempted to buy.

I'll have a complete revision of the system now, basing it off of what you have said. I've just read up on some of the things you touched on and it was all pretty much spot on.

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That's not really much of an upgrade. The 2500K is tailor-made for gaming where the i7-2600K and i7-3820 are made for rendering and multimedia applications like Adobe CS5 and things like that. If you're going for a gaming system - it's 2500K all the way.

Pure gaming system, so the 2500k would be the better choice, I had a look at a few threads and comparisons for the two, the difference is minimal for what I would be using it for.

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I'd cut down on the case and liquid cooler here. The HAF X is a nice choice but it's huge and quite a bit overkill. I'd say go for a Corsair Carbide 500R and a Hyper 212 and that will be a much safer choice.

I also like the Akasa Voodoo Venom for high-performance fans due to the fact that it's quiet and easier to install than most heat sinks: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/aka [...] 55-1156-13

I currently have an Antec 900 case, all fans running on high...it sounds like an aeroplane so I don't think noise will be an issue =P The HAF X or the CM Stormtrooper would be my choice most likely. Would a CM Hyper 212 evo be sufficient for an OC'd 2500k?


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I hear this is better than going with a single 580, but when you consider that the new 7870 and 7950 are destroying even the highest end NVIDIA cards right now they're the way to go.

Thanks for the links, looking at those it seems that going for a 'HIS HD 7870 IceQ 2048MB GDDR5' may be the way to go.

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Don't mess with the speed of your RAM - that has the potential to be build-frying. Just let it run at the defaults and you'll be fine - overclocking your CPU is one thing but you *NEVER* want to set your RAM multipliers higher than what's specified on the stickers. You also don't want to use stock speeds higher than your motherboard can handle - I notice that you're using DDR3 2000 when most motherboards are only rated to handle up to 1600, and even Intel's RMA department only recommends 1333 at the highest. Mixing higher speeds with Sandy Bridge can be disastrous.

Reading about this, it would seem that the risk factor over the gain isn't worth it, especially if you've already got 8GB in your system.

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You'll definitely hear varying opinions on this. I've personally never needed to go beyond 1900 x 1080 - only for really high end gaming and CS5 usage will you need any resolutions beyond that - most anything around 24" 1080p will work fine. Try this: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/24- [...] 0cd-m2-5ms

1900 x 1080 will be fine for me, the extra graphical gain you get from higher resolutions isn't a big deal for me. I've read lots of things about the ms on monitors, some people seem to think that lower ms monitors don't differ from higher ms monitors, in the sense that 2ms is no different to 8ms due to the way they test and then label them. Not been able to find anything definite on this though.
March 22, 2012 8:01:15 PM

Revised Specs:

Coolermaster HAF X Gaming Tower Case - £129.98
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/coolermaster-haf-x-v2-bl...
Will get 1x 120mm and 1x 200mm fan extra also.

Intel Core i5 Unlocked 2500K - £166.98
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i5-2500k-unlo...
Will get some Arctic Silver 5 for this.

Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler - £23.98
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/coolermaster-hyper-212-e...

Crucial 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz Ballistix Sport Memory Kit CL9 (9-9-9-24) 1.5V - £38.10
http://www.ebuyer.com/342352-crucial-8gb-2x4gb-ddr3-160...
or
G-Skill 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600Mhz RipjawsX Memory Kit CL9 (9-9-9-24) 1.5V - £43.90
http://www.ebuyer.com/264750-g-skill-8gb-2x4gb-ddr3-160...

Asrock Z68 Extreme7 Gen3 Intel Z68 - £226.42
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/asrock-z68-extreme7-gen3...(x16)-d-sub-dp-hdmi-dvi-

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB SATA 6GB/s 64MB Cache - £76.92
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1tb-seagate-st1000dm003-...

OCZ Vertex 3 120GB SATA 3 Solid State Drive - £124.94
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/120gb-ocz-vertex-3-25-sa...

Corsair Enthusiast TX V2 CMPSU-850TXV2UK 850W Power Supply - £95.82
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/850w-psu-corsair-enthusi...

PowerColor HD 7870 PCS+ 2GB GDDR5 - £283.80
http://www.ebuyer.com/352916-powercolor-hd-7870-pcs-2gb...

£1166.94



Thinking about going for this monitor:

Asus VE278Q Full HD 27" LED Monitor with HDMI - £239.12
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/27-asus-ve276q-lcd-full-...

or

ASUS VE248H Full HD 24" LED Monitor with HDMI - £152.69
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/24-asus-ve248h-black-led...
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