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January 16, 2012 11:09:27 PM

I currently have a GTX 570 classified. Im running the classy at 945 mhz core clock and 2300 mhz memory. I'm wondering if I should get another 570 or wait for Kepler to drop for the new GPUs. I mainly use my rig for gaming in BF3, crysis 2, Arkham city, GTA IV, Metro 2033, etc. With crysis 2 it won't run the game without freezing up and having the driver crash and recover past very high on the graphics settings.



Also anyone with experience gaming on 3D please offer your two cents... Is it worth the money for gaming on a 23" in 3D or r u better off getting a larger monitor? Any input would help.
January 16, 2012 11:26:28 PM

I'm waiting, in the same boat with a 120hz monitor. The only game I can't run 120hz where it matters is BF3. Sometimes it'll be over 120fps, sometimes in the 70s, 80s, 90s at the settings I run. However, it's not as easy for me, I'd need a new motherboard as well. So I'd rather go gtx 590... however I'd really rather wait so I don't have to deal with a possibility of microstuttering, and overall it'd just be easier.
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January 16, 2012 11:27:12 PM

Wait.
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January 17, 2012 12:06:24 AM

Usually I use my 42" Panasonic plasma tv. I have a 23" LG IPS sitting in a box at home that I swapped out at best buy cuz the first one was defective.
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January 17, 2012 12:14:27 AM

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SLi the GTX 570's and don't think twice about it.....
but it sounds like you need to tighten up your drivers and/or clean install of drivers maybe even windows..


What's ur gpu setup?


The LG IPS236 is the model, as far as 3D I was just trying to get some advice from what I've heard most ppl say that 23" isn't really worth it and that 27" is a lot better.
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January 17, 2012 12:26:18 AM

Son No. 3's box has twin 560 Ti's running just under 1000Mhz (recently tuned down to 980 from 1020 to get temps < 80C) and a 2600k at 4.6GHz (62-65C) on a 23.6" Asus 120 Hz monitor. I have played BF3, Metro 2033, Crysis etc on his box and all run fine at highest settings except for BF3. BF3 has been a PITA .....wouldn't work at all on SLI for the longest time and the kids usually pay on high rather than ultra settings w/ just one card.

3D is way way cool....Batman Arkham City is wild with the 3D effects and PhysX. Personally, if you are viewing at normal desktop viewing distances, I find 24" the screen size limit. With bigger monitors, Id want more resolution. Reason is that at normal viewing distances, you can start to see the individual pixels when the pixels per inch (ppi) is less than about 96.....a 27" screen at 1920 x 1080 is just 81.6 ppi which tends to make the screen a bit "grainy" looking. At 27", I'd want 2560 x 1440.

For 1920 x 1080, the biggest I'd go is 23.6" which has a ppi of 93.3

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot_pitch
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January 17, 2012 12:57:41 AM

Unless you are in a hurry I would wait it out, you have a nice card now. If I had anyless which I do I would get the second 570. But since you have a nice card. I would wait just to see if the new cards are what they say they are.

Before you over clocked your GPU was the game freezing then? If not I would dial it down when in that game or due what malmental suggested.
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January 17, 2012 1:00:07 AM

I can't imagine you're feeling a need to upgrade with a GTX 570 running at 945 mhz. I'd wait a few months for Kepler and bump up to the next gen. And yes, Kepler cards will be the fastest on the planet when they debut.
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January 17, 2012 2:35:11 AM

DM186 said:
Unless you are in a hurry I would wait it out, you have a nice card now. If I had anyless which I do I would get the second 570. But since you have a nice card. I would wait just to see if the new cards are what they say they are.

Before you over clocked your GPU was the game freezing then? If not I would dial it down when in that game or due what malmental suggested.


When I first bulit my rig metro and crysis wouldnt even run for more than 2 minutes with crashing. I had to RMA my 570. Stock the 570 Classified doesnt get enough voltage. Im pretty sure I did a clean install with the last driver I did. I'll have to check and see.


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I wanna run all my games at max or at aleast as close to as possbile but when i was playing a Blu ray on my 42" Panasonic Tv Fraps recorded it at 30 fps. So thats one of the main things that got me thinking about sli. That and 3D...

Also from what ive read up on Kepler, its looking like Q2 for the higher end GPUs

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January 17, 2012 4:52:43 AM

Tin88 said:

matto17secs
I wanna run all my games at max or at aleast as close to as possbile but when i was playing a Blu ray on my 42" Panasonic Tv Fraps recorded it at 30 fps. So thats one of the main things that got me thinking about sli. That and 3D...

I'm pretty sure movies are capped at 30 fps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate
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January 18, 2012 1:23:48 AM

I was just wondering if your PSU is going to be up to spec when you SLI the two cards? I believe you said that you thought that it wasn't getting enough power to the GPU. You have been on here long enough to know what brand and size you need right? Anyway I was just curious.
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January 18, 2012 2:14:01 AM

The gpu from the factory didn't run well at the stock power settings. Evga had to step it up from 1.038 to 1.050 But I have a Xfx 850w Psu so I think I'd b good. I just don't know if I wanna wait for Kepler. Anyone like the new AMD 7xxx series?
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January 18, 2012 4:18:49 AM

What would get me more performance Sli 570's or the 7970?
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January 18, 2012 5:09:58 AM

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What would get me more performance Sli 570's or the 7970?

SLI 570's easily.
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January 18, 2012 11:31:37 AM

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SLI 570's easily.


Overclock the 7970 with voltage tweaks and it will probably top SLI'd 570s - Were seeing 1300Mhz Cores and 6000Mhz Memory floating around right now.

Plus you have the advantage of a single card setup which mitigates all the potential problems with SLI/Xfire.

I personally though would just buy another GTX570, you'll be saving £250. Thats a lot of money.
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January 18, 2012 12:17:22 PM

SLi your 570 it will blow a 7970 out of the water if you want similar performance from kepler look to pay top top dollar imo

I just recently SLi'ed my gtx 560ti and it screams! in regards to the 7970 comment above; if you think your gonna run a 1300mhz core 24/7 on any given chip you are sorely mistaken
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January 18, 2012 12:24:32 PM

I said potential problems, there are ALWAYS potential problems, AFR is not perfect unfortunatly :(  and remember, a lot of people will want to play games that arent SLI Certified, and games that have just been released but have yet to get profiles.

Microstuttering is real no matter what you do to fix it, just a lot of people may well not be able to see it. I know I'm happy with my SLI setup as far as microstuttering goes, I really don't see it - nice and smooth :D  - But there will always be the odd finiky little thing that bugs you - its convenience really.

Regardless, SLI 570s will smash every game you throw at them.
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January 18, 2012 12:32:38 PM

with SLi gtx 560tis there is zero microstuttering, nothing but absolutley smooth and fast frames.... with my former crossfire 6870s the microstuttering was unbearable... period

AMD does not know how to make a driver for a dual mid setup imo
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January 18, 2012 3:39:31 PM


@OP I still think buying a second gtx 570 is your best bet given that you have the system to run it; which it sounds like you do given your 850 XFX psu, but what are the rest of the system specs and what monitor are you playing on?
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January 18, 2012 3:49:58 PM

2500K--4.5Ghz
CM Hyper 212+ push/pull
Asus P8Z68V-Pro
XFX850W
Crosair Vengeance 8GB
Evga GTX 570 Classified- 945/1890/2300
CM 690 II Advanced Case
Kingston Hyper X 120GB SSD
OWC 6G 120 GB SSD
Samsung Spinpoint TB HD

I mainly use my 42" Panasonic Plasma 1080p for gaming and i have a old Samsung Syncmaster 753DF CRT im back to cuz the LG I had just bought was defective. I was trying to decide if I should keep the LG (IPS236V) or get 3 monitor or 3D but I cant get that and new GPU.
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January 18, 2012 4:14:02 PM

hard to say about the monitor situation but you have a nice rig and you should do it some more justice by adding a second 570, how much do the evga classifieds run though!? that is the question... they are out on the egg... if they are a real ripoff price then I would consider selling the gtx 570, it all depends...

speaking from personal experience with gtx 560tis in SLi; they absolutely scream at 1200p!
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January 18, 2012 4:19:00 PM

With your current Classified running at 945 mhz, you will need to get a similarly upper end GTX 570. The cards will match the lower core speed of the two, so you will either need another Classified, or a card that can run at that outrageously high speed (maybe a Gigabyte SOC or MSI Twin Frozr III). Otherwise, you will lose the benefits of having a high overclock on your original card.
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January 18, 2012 4:29:41 PM

@matto17secs

hmm I have heard that mixing bioses can lead to problems, and for this reason, that is why toms has avoided doing it in their SBMs for a while....maybe im wrong and maybe it is a thing of the past but I see the classifieds are super expensive so likely it will not be worth buying another identical model...

can someone shed some more light on if you need identical models or bioses in SLi!?

I cannot say for sure myself bc I have 2 identical Asus DC2 gtx 560tis

and prior to that have not owned any SLi rigs...
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January 18, 2012 4:33:08 PM

The Classifieds are no longer being sold... the only place to find them would be on ebay or amazon if im lucky. I was thinking the EVGA Superclocked 570 but idn. I may wait for the Kepler I prob. wont happen til like middle of next month which rumors say Kepler is going to be released but if not I may just Sli it. I could easily sell my classy for $400 there in high demand.

Do u really notice a big difference in 1920x1200 verse 1920x1080p?
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January 18, 2012 4:41:51 PM

@malmental

classified is clearly not worth it...

@tin88
I see no difference in 1200p vs 1080p obviously 1200p is a small bit more demanding but Ive never had a 1080p to compare bc ive had my 1200p dell for years and years... makes thigns seem a little less 16:9... a little bit more height
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January 18, 2012 4:43:20 PM

yea i'd rather just sell it for that kinda cash and just buy the 590 haha
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January 18, 2012 4:43:38 PM

all I have to say is that 945mhz is a ridiculously high core clock for a gtx 570, it has to be darn near 580 territory with those speeds

Ill catch you cats later im off to work
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January 18, 2012 4:47:55 PM

Yea the Classifieds are sweet... have fun with that one
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January 18, 2012 4:53:41 PM

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all I have to say is that 945mhz is a ridiculously high core clock for a gtx 570, it has to be darn near 580 territory with those speeds

Ill catch you cats later im off to work

Seriously above a 580 and up into 7970 territory with a +30% overclock.
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January 18, 2012 5:05:15 PM

If you can hold off just another 30 days or so I would. Reasons:

1: Better Info. With new chips coming from both Co's you'll see how they compare.

2: Price. If you still wanna go with getting a 2nd 570 then vendors will start clearing them out due to the new chips.

Personally, im a much bigger fan of single card solutions due to the amount of problems with xfire and SLI. But its just like Women, they hotter they are the more problems they come with.
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January 18, 2012 7:08:32 PM

@ Malmental

I'm running 1680x1050 atm - I don't want to play BF3 until I get a new GPU cause I know I'll get gimped by the Memory Buffer.

Its frustrating cause the power of these 2 cards in SLI are huge and have the raw processing power to eat through BF3 on Ultra.

Also I can't install the Hi Res Skyrim Mod or the High Res Crysis 2 patch cause they will eat my memory aswell. Next time I buy I GPU I'm going 2GB.
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January 18, 2012 11:21:46 PM

@ OP I still say wait. like someone said before to you, if you wait you will know what is up with all the new cards plus maybe the prices will fall on the HD 6xxx series and the Nvidia 5xx series.

You have a decent card for now you can play the games and you can learn more about the GPU's. You are in a win win situation that is a good place to be.

It is really up to you when it comes to this choice. There is so much good Info on this thread you should feel like you are in school. Any way you go you will have some good graphic's while playing games on your PC. This is one reason I love coming on here is to learn and give help.
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