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March 22, 2012 8:40:57 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: Within a week

Budget Range:$2200 to $2800 after rebates.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Autodesk Architectural Desktop, 3D Rendering (fairly light), Gaming

Parts Not Required: Full Tower Case, Keyboard, Mouse, Monitors, Thermal paste etc.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Tiger Direct, Newegg, Amazon, or others...

Country: US

Parts Preferences: Always open to suggestions, I like Asus and Corsair, but can be persuaded.

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe in the future

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080 X 2 monitors

Additional Comments: Not a computer expert by any means. I also have several questions...
1.) Are SSDs worth the risk for a boot drive and game drive? Seems to be a lot of complaints on the reviews of BSOD and lockups?
2.) I don't think I need a 1250w power supply, but I'm tired of buying a new one every 3 years. Am I an idiot?
3.) GTX 680 vs Radeon HD 7970? Each seems better in some departments. Anyone know about 3D CAD?
4.) Am I spending wisely? System must be able to be upgraded for next 3 years (future proofing as much as possible).
5.) Do I need 16gb of memory for CAD and rendering? Will it help? Can I drop to 8?


Here is what I came up with:
Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme X79 Motherboard
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

CPU: Intel Core i7-3930K BX80619i73930K Unlocked Processor
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Graphics Card: PNY VCGGTX680XPB GeForce GTX 680 Video Card - 3 to 5 days to ship
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Memory: x2 Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A2133C11R Vengeance Red Desktop Memory Kit - 8GB (2x 4GB)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

SSD: Corsair CSSD-F120GB3A-BK Force Series 3 Solid State Drive
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Hard Drive: Seagate ST3000DM001 Barracuda 7200.12 Hard Drive - 3TB
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Power Supply: OCZ OCZ-ZX1250W ZX Series Modular Power Supply - 1250W
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Cooling: Corsair CWCH100 Hydro H100 CPU Liquid Cooler
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Total cost with shipping is $2,846.64 with thermal paste and windows 7 64 bit professional.

Any and all help is greatly appreciated. Thank you...
March 22, 2012 10:06:44 PM

I would go with an Intel SSD and change the PSU to a better quality, lower wattage one. Regardless of the wattage, it is wise to buy a new PSU every 3-5 years anyway. If you don't plan on SLI I would get the Seasonic X-560, if you do I would get the X-760.

With the SSD, the cheaper Sandforce drives like the OCZ and Corsair's seem to be quite unreliable. (OCZ in particular) They are more expensive and the numbers don't look as impressive for the price but the Intel, Samsung and Crucial drives seem to be much more reliable. (Intel in particular)

You also have the wrong RAM for that CPU, you will want quad channel stuff.


1) I have one myself and although I've had a few glitches, I've had no serious problems yet.
2) See above
3) The GTX 680 seems to be the better performer at the moment, the HD 7970 will have to drop in price soon though so it may be better value depending on how low it drops.
4) Looks OK to me except for the few things I mentioned
5) I would say you don't need it but it would probably help.


EDIT: Also, just in case you didn't realise, you could get something that would give you ~70-80% of the performance of that build for half the price if you wanted to.

i7-2600k
16GB Mushkin Enhanced Essentials
ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3
ASUS HD 7870 2GB
Crucial M4 128GB
Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM
SeaSonic S12II 520W
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo
LG DVD Burner

Total - $1305.90


I'm not trying to dissuade you from your build, just pointing that out.
March 22, 2012 10:08:44 PM

Quote:
1.) Are SSDs worth the risk for a boot drive and game drive? Seems to be a lot of complaints on the reviews of BSOD and lockups?


Depends on which SSD you get - brands like the Patriot Pyro and Corsair Force 3 are Sandforce-based and more likely to have issues. Brands like the Crucial M4 and Samsung 830 are based off Micron's controllers and are usually problem free for the most part.

Quote:
2.) I don't think I need a 1250w power supply, but I'm tired of buying a new one every 3 years. Am I an idiot?


Well there's no such thing as future proofing a PSU anymore - all use standard power connectors and voltages anymore. You could get by with a 950 or 1050 easily but you want a good, energy efficient PSU as opposed to the highest wattages you can get.

Quote:
3.) GTX 680 vs Radeon HD 7970? Each seems better in some departments. Anyone know about 3D CAD?


If the 680 has CUDA (which it should) it will give you a better advantage in 3-D modeling over the 7970 - but the 7970 will be far better for setting up multiple displays. If you want to run multiple monitors - go for the 7970, if not - go for the 680.

Quote:
4.) Am I spending wisely? System must be able to be upgraded for next 3 years (future proofing as much as possible).


X79 is definitely a good idea, I'll give recommendations below. One thing is I would never recommend liquid cooling - nor that RAM you have chosen - on any build but you have pretty decent choices to start with.

Quote:
5.) Do I need 16gb of memory for CAD and rendering? Will it help? Can I drop to 8?


This is one instance where I'd recommend going with 16 or better - the nice thing about X79 is that it allows for up to 64GB.

Try this build:

PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MKII 950 - $149.99
Motherboard: Asus Sabertooth X79 - $329.99
CPU: 3.2GHz Intel Core i7-3930K - $559.99
Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 - $95.99
RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance Low Profile DDR3 1600MHz Quad Channel For X79 RAM - $149.99
SSD: 128GB Crucial M4 - $174.99
HD: 2TB Samsung Ecogreen F4 - $149.99
Optical: LG Bulk BD-R Burner -$79.99
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7970 - $549.99 - *OR* - EVGA Geforce GTX 680 - $499.99

Total: $2,270.91 (w/Radeon 7970)
$2,220.91 (w/GTX 680)
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March 22, 2012 10:18:23 PM

Thank you guys both. Greatly appreciated.

I currently have a Corsair TX850w - I was going to use to upgrade another computer, but will this run the current configs? I don't mind upgrading, just curious.
March 22, 2012 10:24:16 PM

Also why the samsung hd with 3gb/sec 5700rpm vs the seagate with 6gb/sec 7200 rpm?
March 22, 2012 11:24:12 PM

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If the 680 has CUDA (which it should) it will give you a better advantage in 3-D modeling over the 7970 - but the 7970 will be far better for setting up multiple displays. If you want to run multiple monitors - go for the 7970, if not - go for the 680.

gunit: check this out- http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
The 680 even though it only has 2gb vram generally beats the 7970 in a resolution of 5760x1080p. I would say go for the 680 either way.
March 23, 2012 1:00:36 AM

mjmjpfaff said:
Quote:
If the 680 has CUDA (which it should) it will give you a better advantage in 3-D modeling over the 7970 - but the 7970 will be far better for setting up multiple displays. If you want to run multiple monitors - go for the 7970, if not - go for the 680.

gunit: check this out- http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...
The 680 even though it only has 2gb vram generally beats the 7970 in a resolution of 5760x1080p. I would say go for the 680 either way.


That doesn't really say how the 680 and 7970 compare in workstation applications - it's only in games. I think how the cards compare in this type of environment would make or break the decision on this build

OP: Your Corsair HX850 will be more than enough o no need to buy a new PSU if all your connectors are intact..
March 23, 2012 1:04:57 AM

cilwiy said:
Also why the samsung hd with 3gb/sec 5700rpm vs the seagate with 6gb/sec 7200 rpm?


Because you're using a fast SSD for your primary storage device - you won't notice the difference in speed between that and using a 7200 RPM drive as your secondary and for the price that drive is a bargain with the HD shortages right now.
March 23, 2012 1:12:37 AM

Quote:

With the SSD, the cheaper Sandforce drives like the OCZ and Corsair's seem to be quite unreliable. (OCZ in particular) They are more expensive and the numbers don't look as impressive for the price but the Intel, Samsung and Crucial drives seem to be much more reliable. (Intel in particular)


I have heard this more than once on this board. I can't however find any other place where people are saying this. Are there any articles that I can read where they explain why this is so?
March 23, 2012 7:06:23 AM

g-unit1111 said:
the 7970 will be far better for setting up multiple displays. If you want to run multiple monitors - go for the 7970, if not - go for the 680.

That is wrong. The 680 beats the 7970 in many cases at 5760x1080 and 2560x1440/2560x1600.
Check this out.
March 23, 2012 8:14:53 AM

hey g unit1111 you are always right but this.time you are absolutely wrong because

1. autodesk application like 3d max, maya , and autocad partially supports cuda and in future will fully support it.

2. even if hd 7970 has more vram it wont help it as op said he would do light rendering where even 1gb would be enough 2gb will be plenty for games too .

3. about multi monitor setup you are absolutely wrong the new gtx 680 will support upto 4 monitors on a single gpu setup.

4. nvidia has physx which apparently amd dosent have and that will increase your gaming experience.

5. nvidia showcased its new anti alasing technology the TXAA which will provide a much smoother image and video. according to the reviews of toms and hardware canucks the TXAA x 1 will result in better image quality than MSAA x 8 which is the best image quality you could get before TXAA and the x2 will result in image qualiry like no other

for your application hyper threading will be of most usefull.

this is my rough idea how your build should look like.

cpu : intel i7 3930k

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

cpu cooler : noctua NH D-14 air cooler

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

motherboard : asus P9X79 ws 4-way sli motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ram : corsair vengence 4x4 gb 1600 mhz low profile quad channel ddr3 ram

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

gpu : evga gtx 680 2 gb graphic card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ssd : corsair force3 120 gb sata3 ssd

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

hdd : Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

od : asus 24x dvd writer

power supply : PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II 950W High Performance 80PLUS Silver SLI ready Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

case : cm storm trooper full tower case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

os : microsoft windows 7 professional 64 bit oem

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

total : $1,915.90 (with out graphic card as gtx 680 is out of stock)

total : $2515 (with evga gtx 680)

if you cant wait for gtx 680 then get this

EVGA 03G-P3-1588-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) Classified 3072MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

but i would still recomend to get gtx 680 as for it can support 4monitors wit single gpu and it has high core count , low power consumption , runs cool and is cheaper than hd 7970 and it is faster than hd7970 and has cuda which will help you in rendering and other cad uses :D 
March 23, 2012 10:02:52 AM

voodooking said:
Quote:

With the SSD, the cheaper Sandforce drives like the OCZ and Corsair's seem to be quite unreliable. (OCZ in particular) They are more expensive and the numbers don't look as impressive for the price but the Intel, Samsung and Crucial drives seem to be much more reliable. (Intel in particular)


I have heard this more than once on this board. I can't however find any other place where people are saying this. Are there any articles that I can read where they explain why this is so?



It's not something that is easy to prove because reliability is quite hard to test. I worked at Ebuyer (large UK components store) for a while though and of all the SSD's that came back, around 70% were OCZ, ~20% Corsair and a couple of the cheaper Kingston drives. The reason is that they are trying to aggressively price these drives to give the highest read and write speeds for the lowest price, sacrificing things like the quality of the memory. For the majority of people, the read and write speeds are actually unimportant. For general browsing/gaming use, you wouldn't even notice the difference between 200Mb/s and 600Mb/s. I would take an Intel 320 series over a Vertex 3 anyday.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/sata-6gbps-performance-sa...

Read the page called 'Buy the SSD you can afford, not the fastest one'. This will explain.
March 23, 2012 10:34:56 AM

+1 ^

get the intel ones if u can it is worth the money :D 
March 23, 2012 1:52:41 PM

serialkiller said:
hey g unit1111 you are always right but this.time you are absolutely wrong because

1. autodesk application like 3d max, maya , and autocad partially supports cuda and in future will fully support it.

2. even if hd 7970 has more vram it wont help it as op said he would do light rendering where even 1gb would be enough 2gb will be plenty for games too .

3. about multi monitor setup you are absolutely wrong the new gtx 680 will support upto 4 monitors on a single gpu setup.

4. nvidia has physx which apparently amd dosent have and that will increase your gaming experience.

5. nvidia showcased its new anti alasing technology the TXAA which will provide a much smoother image and video. according to the reviews of toms and hardware canucks the TXAA x 1 will result in better image quality than MSAA x 8 which is the best image quality you could get before TXAA and the x2 will result in image qualiry like no other

for your application hyper threading will be of most usefull.

this is my rough idea how your build should look like.

cpu : intel i7 3930k

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

cpu cooler : noctua NH D-14 air cooler

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

motherboard : asus P9X79 ws 4-way sli motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ram : corsair vengence 4x4 gb 1600 mhz low profile quad channel ddr3 ram

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

gpu : evga gtx 680 2 gb graphic card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ssd : corsair force3 120 gb sata3 ssd

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

hdd : Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

od : asus 24x dvd writer

power supply : PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II 950W High Performance 80PLUS Silver SLI ready Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

case : cm storm trooper full tower case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

os : microsoft windows 7 professional 64 bit oem

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

total : $1,915.90 (with out graphic card as gtx 680 is out of stock)

total : $2515 (with evga gtx 680)

if you cant wait for gtx 680 then get this

EVGA 03G-P3-1588-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) Classified 3072MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

but i would still recomend to get gtx 680 as for it can support 4monitors wit single gpu and it has high core count , low power consumption , runs cool and is cheaper than hd 7970 and it is faster than hd7970 and has cuda which will help you in rendering and other cad uses :D 


^+1 to this whole build.
But: that hdd you listed seems to be unreliable looking at its reviews. this hdd seems to have less problems though it is slower- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and the case: i would go with a bigger case maybe the nzxt switch- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... because the asus x79 ws is an inch wider than regular atx motherboards. that means it would be over the cable management gromets in the storm trooper.

EDIT: yes also get an intel 520 series ssd, plextor m3/m3 pro ssd (5 yr warranty), or a crucial m4.
March 23, 2012 4:31:02 PM

Quote:
hey g unit1111 you are always right but this.time you are absolutely wrong because

1. autodesk application like 3d max, maya , and autocad partially supports cuda and in future will fully support it.

2. even if hd 7970 has more vram it wont help it as op said he would do light rendering where even 1gb would be enough 2gb will be plenty for games too .

3. about multi monitor setup you are absolutely wrong the new gtx 680 will support upto 4 monitors on a single gpu setup.

4. nvidia has physx which apparently amd dosent have and that will increase your gaming experienc


1. If you saw my first post I mentioned CUDA - and I definitely know Autodesk supports it because it's always better in a rendering environment. I'm trying to convince my boss to get the 680 over the 7970 for that very reason.

2. I never said anything about the extra V-RAM.

3. That may be true about the 680 but I've always found past cards to be harder to setup multiple displays on NVIDIA rather than AMD/ATI. Maybe they've become wise to this on Keppler, I don't know.

4. That's certainly true, I've setup Phys X PCs before and it's pretty sweet.

Quote:

But: that hdd you listed seems to be unreliable looking at its reviews. this hdd seems to have less problems though it is slower- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148681
and the case: i would go with a bigger case maybe the nzxt switch- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811146088 because the asus x79 ws is an inch wider than regular atx motherboards. that means it would be over the cable management gromets in the storm trooper.


That SSD in that build is also unreliable - I won't recommend any Sandforce drives like the Force 3, Patriot Pyro, and OCZ Agility/Solid/Vertex until they start cleaning up the firmware and BSOD issues. I've always found drives based on the Micron controller like the Samsung 830 and Crucial M4 to be far superior and less likely to fail on you.

Quote:
5. nvidia showcased its new anti alasing technology the TXAA which will provide a much smoother image and video. according to the reviews of toms and hardware canucks the TXAA x 1 will result in better image quality than MSAA x 8 which is the best image quality you could get before TXAA and the x2 will result in image qualiry like no other


That must have improved greatly since the last 2 - 3 generations, even on my 550TI setup I still notice some stuttering when playing GPU-intensive games like Skyrim or Arkham City.
March 23, 2012 5:06:18 PM

@ g-unit1111

do you support intel ssd as they do contain sandforce controllers (the x25 and 520 ones contain it)

also most of the problem is solved by driver updates and stuff like that
March 23, 2012 5:15:57 PM

serialkiller said:
@ g-unit1111

do you support intel ssd as they do contain sandforce controllers (the x25 and 520 ones contain it)

also most of the problem is solved by driver updates and stuff like that


My 320 drive uses an older Sandforce controller and I've had a lot of issues with the firmware including BSODs and I couldn't get my BD-R playback software to run. Since I downloaded the current firmware driver from Intel it's run like a champ but for a novice or even semi-experienced builder I'd never recommend them because you'll be tearing your hair out with the initial BSOD problems, Windows and software errors, and things of that nature.
March 23, 2012 5:25:45 PM

They improved NVIDIA Surround big time using Kepler, so I can wholeheartedly say that the GTX 680 is better than the 7970 even at extreme resolutions.
March 23, 2012 5:30:33 PM

azeem40 said:
They improved NVIDIA Surround big time using Kepler, so I can wholeheartedly say that the GTX 680 is better than the 7970 even at extreme resolutions.


That's good to know - it was a huge pain in the ass on previous generations. I might consider waiting for the 670 if it's as good as people say it is, but unless anything changes I'm still going for the 7870.
March 23, 2012 9:26:46 PM

I think I'm going with:

Asus Sabertooth x79
Intel Core i7 3930k
Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200 rpm 64mb cache
Crucial m4 128 GB
Cooler Master HAF 932 case (although I don't really need a new case. Alot of folks around here seem to like it)
G Skill Ripjaws Z series 2133 4x4GB
Noctua NH-D14 SE2011

Still mulling the graphics card... EVGA gtx 580 3GB (until 680 is available - need a new card now and can pass it along in a couple of months) Hmmm...

Total between tiger direct and new egg is around $2178.12 with the gtx 580 and shipping...

Power Supply, OD, Keyboard, Mouse, Monitors, etc are o.k.

Any glaring mistakes? Thanks for the help...
March 23, 2012 10:02:42 PM

for ssd these are the ones where i have good experience

ocz vertex 3 120gb ssd sataIII, corsair force 3 and gt 120gb ssd
intel 120gb

all are good and your choice. a corsair hx850 is more than enough for your needs but i do suggest a seasonic x-705/x850 80plus gold for psu for many good reasons even if you need is just 550w
March 24, 2012 4:00:17 AM

You dont need 2133mhz ram. Your system wont recognise it it will default it to 1333 or 1600 mhz.

It is wiser to spend parts which would give performance for price.

That memory wont even help in any case except unzipping or something. get a 1600 mhz ram

i doubt u need a 6 core to run games. it will be better to get the four core model i.e. I7 3860.

The motherbiard you chosen is good choice if you sli gtx 680 then the the one i suggested is a verry good choice and if youare going to tri sli then you will need a 1250w psu. iwould suggest the seasonic x-1250w psu

And every thing is good to go
March 24, 2012 1:45:38 PM

cilwiy said:
I think I'm going with:

Asus Sabertooth x79
Intel Core i7 3930k
Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200 rpm 64mb cache
Crucial m4 128 GB
Cooler Master HAF 932 case (although I don't really need a new case. Alot of folks around here seem to like it)
G Skill Ripjaws Z series 2133 4x4GB
Noctua NH-D14 SE2011

Still mulling the graphics card... EVGA gtx 580 3GB (until 680 is available - need a new card now and can pass it along in a couple of months) Hmmm...

Total between tiger direct and new egg is around $2178.12 with the gtx 580 and shipping...

Power Supply, OD, Keyboard, Mouse, Monitors, etc are o.k.

Any glaring mistakes? Thanks for the help...

like serial killer said the ram will default to lower speeds- 1866mhz. unless you plan on overclocking the memory i would just go with low latency 1600mhz ram. if not get this set- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That hdd you listed has a pretty high DOA rate when looking at newegg's reviews. here is a more reliable one but slower- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The HAF 932 is a dust magnet. Unless you want to dust off you parts every other day. with that being said I strongly suggest you get a case with fan filters- the cooler master storm trooper is a great case- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

March 24, 2012 1:46:29 PM

What power supply are you getting?
March 24, 2012 2:35:32 PM

g.skill ripjaws 32gb 1600mhz cl9 8x4gb it's awesome i use it on all my i7 sbe system, works wonders.

but don't know why on my 3930k it won't be stable at 1600mhz and stick to 1333 mhz instead but on my 3960x its stable at 1600mhz weird but well still works.

i totally suggest the seasonic x-1250 80plus gold psu, it also gives you great head room for a 2nd gtx680 and most likely a 3rd one
March 24, 2012 4:10:16 PM

i build another one with more performance part and has the asthetics and the performance that last 3-5 yrs and is were wast . woossh :D 

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...


i changed the motherboard as it is an clear overkill. nor you are gonna quad sli(which is useless ) or nor you are gonna render for 24x7 as you suggested a light render which should last few hours or even a day or two

i included 2 gtx 680 but it will be better to wait for the 4 gb ones and an aftermarket cooler.

it is still an overkill for 1 hd monitor or even 2 it will be great for 3 monitors which i highly recommend and is awesom.

what monitor are you currently using.

i changed the case for cosmos ii due to its features and its looks and also it keeps components very cool .

i changed the cpu cooler with h100 as a beautiful hardware (case , motherboard , gpu , etc ) but a fugly monster obstructing the view of the hardware. i wont like it if its a 3000$ build :lol: 

a 3tb for 200$ are those prices a year before come back , nono its a deal on newegg :whistle: 

i suggested the intel 520 ssd as it is the most reliable ssd maker and has a very good history of products :wahoo: 

i would not suggest another card in future on this psu(a third one i.e. 3-way sli) as you would need a 1200w psu with 100amps or above . for 3way sli (which i think nor you need for render nor for games instead of adding 3 card get a new one) get the seasonic x-1250w 80+ gold psu

i would highly suggest this build :sol: 
March 24, 2012 4:25:01 PM

I was told the TX850w Corsair that I have will work with my set up. True? I will not use sli at the beginning and probably not for a year or so after getting the gtx 680.

I do plan on overclocking. I chose the ripjaws z series because of compatibility with the fan, but sniper series works also. For overclocking is the z series a good bet?

Also the sabertooth x79 has no compatibility issues with the fan, but does have on board fans so that is a concern I suppose. Then again I've always had really good luck with Asus. p9x79 ws had a possible small issue, so I chose the Sabertooth.

As for the case is there anything noteworthy about all steel vs steel/plastic? I had heard all steel is better?

It seems HDDs are tough right now. I have a 1TB WD caviar black only half full...I can probably just skip the HD until prices come down...Can always use my external if need be.

I thought the 6 core would help with autocad and rendering? Maybe in the future?

Thanks again to all.
March 24, 2012 4:27:31 PM

serialkiller said:
i build another one with more performance part and has the asthetics and the performance that last 3-5 yrs and is were wast . woossh :D 

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...


i changed the motherboard as it is an clear overkill. nor you are gonna quad sli(which is useless ) or nor you are gonna render for 24x7 as you suggested a light render which should last few hours or even a day or two

i included 2 gtx 680 but it will be better to wait for the 4 gb ones and an aftermarket cooler.

it is still an overkill for 1 hd monitor or even 2 it will be great for 3 monitors which i highly recommend and is awesom.

what monitor are you currently using.

i changed the case for cosmos ii due to its features and its looks and also it keeps components very cool .

i changed the cpu cooler with h100 as a beautiful hardware (case , motherboard , gpu , etc ) but a fugly monster obstructing the view of the hardware. i wont like it if its a 3000$ build :lol: 

a 3tb for 200$ are those prices a year before come back , nono its a deal on newegg :whistle: 

i suggested the intel 520 ssd as it is the most reliable ssd maker and has a very good history of products :wahoo: 

i would not suggest another card in future on this psu(a third one i.e. 3-way sli) as you would need a 1200w psu with 100amps or above . for 3way sli (which i think nor you need for render nor for games instead of adding 3 card get a new one) get the seasonic x-1250w 80+ gold psu

i would highly suggest this build :sol: 


Just saw this... Last message I sent was before I read this... Checking it out now...
March 24, 2012 5:10:01 PM

O.k. I'm gonna buy tonight. I need to get this soon.

I have:
1 TB WD Caviar Black, 7200 rpm 3 gb/sec
2 1620 x 1080 off brand monitors. Can't remember name. I'm at the office.
3 Optical Drive, Can't remember
4 Corsair TX850w PS
5 Sunbeam Transformer Case - Has worked fine for me so far

I'm thinking:
MB: Asus Sabertooth x79 (I'm gonna stick with Asus MB. Even if overkill)
CPU: i7 3930k
Graphics: EVGA gtx 580 (for right now - need one immediately - my screen is locking every 15 to 20 mins and occasional BSODs. Then EVGA 680 down the road)
CPU Fan: Noctua NH-D14 (Don't mind the size and is compatible)
Case: Coooler Master Storm Trooper (330 seems like a lot for a case)
SSD: Crucial m4 (seems to me the safest bet)
HDD: Using old one (although the 3TB option is intriguing)
PS: Using old one

Seems like most agrees on the CPU, CPU Fan, graphics in the future (EVGA gtx 680), SSD, and I think I'm sold on the Sabertooth x79, unless someone can tell me why I shouldn't. So...

Memory: G Skill Ripjaws Z series 4x4gb 1600 or 2133. (Compatible and if overclocking I should get the 2133 correct?)

Any other final thoughts? Thank you all very much for your help. This is an invaluable service you guys offer, and for the novices out there it is very much appreciated.
March 24, 2012 5:27:08 PM

cilwiy said:
O.k. I'm gonna buy tonight. I need to get this soon.

I have:
1 TB WD Caviar Black, 7200 rpm 3 gb/sec
2 1620 x 1080 off brand monitors. Can't remember name. I'm at the office.
3 Optical Drive, Can't remember
4 Corsair TX850w PS
5 Sunbeam Transformer Case - Has worked fine for me so far

I'm thinking:
MB: Asus Sabertooth x79 (I'm gonna stick with Asus MB. Even if overkill)
CPU: i7 3930k
Graphics: EVGA gtx 580 (for right now - need one immediately - my screen is locking every 15 to 20 mins and occasional BSODs. Then EVGA 680 down the road)
CPU Fan: Noctua NH-D14 (Don't mind the size and is compatible)
Case: Coooler Master Storm Trooper (330 seems like a lot for a case)
SSD: Crucial m4 (seems to me the safest bet)
HDD: Using old one (although the 3TB option is intriguing)
PS: Using old one

Seems like most agrees on the CPU, CPU Fan, graphics in the future (EVGA gtx 680), SSD, and I think I'm sold on the Sabertooth x79, unless someone can tell me why I shouldn't. So...

Memory: G Skill Ripjaws Z series 4x4gb 1600 or 2133. (Compatible and if overclocking I should get the 2133 correct?)

Any other final thoughts? Thank you all very much for your help. This is an invaluable service you guys offer, and for the novices out there it is very much appreciated.

if it is just a filler card than a 7850/gtx 560 ti 448 should be fine. and if you are only going to play at 1920x1080p you should crossfire or sli the card that you choose. 2 680's are way overkill for 1080p. For the ram I would just get 16gb of 1600mhz ram, that is really all you need: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... all of these are fine.
March 24, 2012 5:48:46 PM

BTW make sure the corsair tx850 your going to buy has V2 on the name it's better

edit: I didn't see this part
Autodesk Architectural Desktop, 3D Rendering (fairly light),
the one with fairly light

if so then all you ever need is 16gb but if your heavy on those stuff like me and the ram usage goes up to 24.xxgb close to 25gb then yes it's all you need.

ok scratch that psu i wrote above seems you already have one.

go with this
Memory: G Skill Ripjaws Z series 4x4gb 1600

make sure your noctua nh-d14 is notcua nh-d14 se2011 (the one with the stuff for x79 mobo's) if not you can always get it free from noctua.

March 24, 2012 6:21:07 PM

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O.k. I'm gonna buy tonight. I need to get this soon.

I have:
1 TB WD Caviar Black, 7200 rpm 3 gb/sec
2 1620 x 1080 off brand monitors. Can't remember name. I'm at the office.
3 Optical Drive, Can't remember
4 Corsair TX850w PS
5 Sunbeam Transformer Case - Has worked fine for me so far

I'm thinking:
MB: Asus Sabertooth x79 (I'm gonna stick with Asus MB. Even if overkill)
CPU: i7 3930k
Graphics: EVGA gtx 580 (for right now - need one immediately - my screen is locking every 15 to 20 mins and occasional BSODs. Then EVGA 680 down the road)
CPU Fan: Noctua NH-D14 (Don't mind the size and is compatible)
Case: Coooler Master Storm Trooper (330 seems like a lot for a case)
SSD: Crucial m4 (seems to me the safest bet)
HDD: Using old one (although the 3TB option is intriguing)
PS: Using old one

Seems like most agrees on the CPU, CPU Fan, graphics in the future (EVGA gtx 680), SSD, and I think I'm sold on the Sabertooth x79, unless someone can tell me why I shouldn't. So...

Memory: G Skill Ripjaws Z series 4x4gb 1600 or 2133. (Compatible and if overclocking I should get the 2133 correct?)

Any other final thoughts? Thank you all very much for your help. This is an invaluable service you guys offer, and for the novices out there it is very much appreciated.


man i tried to help

1. if you dont want a asrock mobo then get asus as your wish.
but the mobo i choose is because it has been chosen by the toms hardware and it hs some nice quality parts(like the rog ones for asus) and it is fairly cheap without loosing any features.

2. you will look like an idiot if you buy the gtx 580 you can get a hd 7870 at the price of 570 and also it consumes less power and runs multi monitor setup

i would suggest a hd 7850 and then the gtx 680 4gb will be available replace it .

3. if you get a 2133 mhz ram your motherboard will not recognice it and it will back it down to 1600mhz or even lower.

it will be wiser to get a 1600 mhz ram with a bit low cas lattency like cas8. bellow it is again a overkill which wont give a performance of 1 fps .

4. i know the case is costly but a cheap case for such a costly hardware. :pt1cable: 

the storm trooper is not cheap but the most lasting part of the build is your case.

cosmos ii can fit more hardware than you can buy eg. it can accomodate more hdd than your mobo supports or it can accomodate a 4-way sli and a xl-atx mobo as well as 1 360 radiator and a 240 with a 120 rad left at back and is very spacious to accomodate every hardware on the market.

5. intel ssds are more reliable and has lesser problems. also intel said that ibn near future it will support trim on raid which is not supported by any ssd.

intel has more reputation than any company which provide ssd.

the intel ssd are costly because he uses quality memory chips which wount fail easily and run for a long time/.

it is said that if one can affort or if it fits the budget and is helpful then why not?

6. what power supply are you using ?

its better to get a new one. if a power supply is faulty or of wrong spec or is very cheaply build it will go down burning your whole system adn would cost you a fortune .


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