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[SOLVED] Need help with Internet/light gaming PC ; $500-700 limit

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March 24, 2012 4:41:41 AM

Hey guys Im looking to get rid of my current bigbox PC with a built one. I would like it to be update-able in the future if possible too. I do mostly internet browsing. At times I'll dabble with Gimp/photoshop and Im looking forward to play Diablo 3 when it comes out. My budget is 500-700.

Approximate Purchase Date: ASAP

Budget Range: 500-700

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Internet, gaming, photoshop

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I have a local microcenter, but I'll use Newegg, Amazon

Country:USA

Parts Preferences: No Pref, but being that Im not pushing this system hard... I'll side on the products that give the best value.

Overclocking: Do I need it?

SLI or Crossfire: Unsure on what this is

Monitor Resolution: 1680x1050

Additional Comments: Id like to keep the stuff cool. I.e. Aftermarket CPU cooler, case fans, I dont want it loud though.

Few questions: Is ir worth it to have an external audio card? The GPU card doesnt have to be the best, just better than on-board and capable to run Diablo on medium if possible. Hell even high if not that much more. I do want RAM, say 16gbs... Its cheap now days and better to have more than not enough.

Any and all suggestions are appreciated.
March 24, 2012 8:59:21 AM

RAM - 8GB is more than enough. 16GB would just be a waste of money at this budget.

SOUND - Unless you have some kind of $500 speaker system, I wouldn't bother with a sound card.

GPU - Since you want a quiet PC and want to play at 1680x1050 and are not bothered about ultra high settings, I would consider a passively cooled card like the HD 7750. (It's a bit better than the HD 6770) I would imagine you would get high settings (if not ultra) on Diablo 3 and it would be super quiet.

Assuming you don't need an OS, this would be my choice:

Intel Core i3-2120
8GB Mushkin Enhanced Silverline
ASRock H67M (B3)
Sapphire Ultimate HD 7750 1GB
Crucial M4 64GB
Seagate Barracuda 500GB
SeaSonic SS-300ET 300W
Fractal Design Core 1000
LG DVD Burner

Total - $654.91


That should be very quiet since the loudest things in a case are usually the graphics card, hard drive or PSU. The GPU in here is passively cooled, the hard drive won't be spinning often since you have the SSD and Seasonic PSU's are renowned for being extremely reliable and quiet.

In terms of cooling, I would set it up so that the PSU pulls air from inside the case to help with airflow. This shouldn't be a problem for the PSU since I doubt it would get hot as the max power draw (for the whole system) shouldn't exceed 150W.
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March 24, 2012 1:46:12 PM

Thanks. Now let me ask you this. I have a 320gb HD now, and I barely have it filled over 150gb. Would it be better to just get a bigger SSD?

Also everywhere I look people are being told to wait it out for the new chips coming out soon. Sure I can wait too, but is it going to be worth the wait? Are prices going to drop on the old stuff?
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March 24, 2012 5:10:50 PM

Thanks. Is that overclockable? But I dont think I would need that anyway. And that should perform fairly well, doing light gaming right?

what version of windows should I get?
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March 24, 2012 5:34:36 PM

I disagree with the 965 in this situation. The AMD chips really lack performance vs Sandy Bridge especially in Photoshop work.

Check out my $650 build here:
http://www.squidoo.com/electronicandmore
The 6870 although 1 generation older is much better than the 7750. The i5 2400 is better than the i3 2100 (obviously) and much better than 965. Really though, you don't need 16GB of ram, I'm using 8GB of ram and I'm running PS5.5 smooth. I do huge Pano stitches and it runs just fine. Much faster than my old 955. It also edit in RAW all the time @ 18MP and no issues arrive so no problems with RAM. Plus the i5 2400 is only $150 at microcenter.

If you already have a 320GB you can just reuse that, not get the HDD in my build and allocate that $80 for one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Best SSD for the price, gives you the newer SF-22xx controller and SATA 3 speeds.
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March 24, 2012 5:49:24 PM

Thanks azn. were those parts all bought from micro?

edit: I came across this build on the forums and its around 650

MB - ASUS makes a great board as does ASRock. This board over a comparable ASUS board was just for cost reasons. ASRock 970 Extreme 4 - $105
CPU - AMD FX-4100 - $110
GPU - At 1440x900 resolution you will be fine gaming with this card or an equivilant. XFX HD 6850 - $130 after MIR
MEM - Skip tall heat spreaders... G.SKILL Ares 8GB DDR3-1600 CL9 1.5v - $45
HD - Samsung F3 500GB - $85
OPTICAL - Samsung 22x DVD-RW - $17
PSU - Stick with Antec, Corsair, XFX or Seasonic. Corsair 750w - $95 after MIR
CASE - Cooler Master Elite 430 - $40 after MIR
CASE FANS - Rosewill 120mm 4-pack 40CFM @ 18dBA - $15


$643


If overclocking...
CPU Cooler - Hyper 212 EVO - $35

All I would need to buy would be the OS
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March 24, 2012 5:52:48 PM

Not all the parts I suggest can be bought from Micro but the CPU and motherboard should be buyable @ microcenter. The Card too but I can't guarantee the pricing. I'd generally buy off Newegg and Amazon. But for like the CPU and MB I'd go to Micro and save a bit.
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March 24, 2012 5:56:06 PM

One thing I noticed is that your builds dont account for OS or case ( under the 650 build price ) The one I listed above ( two posts up ) does have the case just no OS
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March 24, 2012 6:26:45 PM

If you are doing more photo editing than gaming I would go with this because the Llano CPU has hyper threading. Also if you want to max out on editing add another 4GB RAM and get a larger HDD.

13:38 3/24/2012
AMD FX-6100 Zambezi 3.3GHz Socket AM3+ 95W Six-Core Desktop Processor FD6100WMGUSBX $149.99 free ship
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock 970 EXTREME3 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
AM3+ 8-Core CPU, XFast LAN / USB, UEFI, C.C.R $84.99 free ship http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL $46.99 free ship http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OCZ ZS Series 550W 80PLUS Bronze High Performance Power Supply
$20 promo gift card & 15% off w/ OCZPSU15, ends 3/27 $54.99 after MIR free shipping
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $85.99 free ship http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SAMSUNG 22X DVD Burner 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 24X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM SATA Model SH-222BB/BEBE - OEM $16.98 incl. shipping http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Antec Three Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $49.99 after MIR free ship http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SAPPHIRE 100314-3L Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card $169.99 -$10 MIR=$159.99
Window 7 Home Premium 64bit-OEM $99.99 free ship

Total: $$794.90 less $45 rebates=$749.90

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March 24, 2012 6:39:35 PM

Okay cool, so 750 with an OS? not bad. Would the AMD still perform on Diablo 3? If so, what are the negative factors going towards the AMD versus the Intel?
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March 24, 2012 6:55:27 PM

Terrible choice to go AMD. AMD chips lack their performance and @ the cost of Delroys build you might as well go with mine since after OS my build is pretty much the same price but less since I don't include MIRs yet.
FX-8120 vs i5 2400
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/434?vs=363
Keep in mind, the i5 2400 matches up closely in Multi-thread benches and absolutely destroys the FX-8120 in Single thread and gaming.

If you say that I don't include OS the rest of the builds suggested on here don't either... I don't see why mines is an issue. You can always reuse your 320GB and not get a SSD or HDD and use that money for the OS.
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March 24, 2012 7:08:59 PM

My apologies aznshinobi, I was thinking the AMD did better than that on rendering and multithreaded apps. Apparently not. So add $30 to my build to replace the CPU and a comparable MB for LGA1155 is about the same price.
I have a 2400 BTW as well as a 2500K.
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March 24, 2012 7:14:42 PM

aznshinobi said:
Terrible choice to go AMD. AMD chips lack their performance and @ the cost of Delroys build you might as well go with mine since after OS my build is pretty much the same price but less since I don't include MIRs yet.
FX-8120 vs i5 2400
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/434?vs=363
Keep in mind, the i5 2400 matches up closely in Multi-thread benches and absolutely destroys the FX-8120 in Single thread and gaming.

If you say that I don't include OS the rest of the builds suggested on here don't either... I don't see why mines is an issue. You can always reuse your 320GB and not get a SSD or HDD and use that money for the OS.


in the 3rd post or so I stated I needed an OS to be included. But okay true. Long story here. I bought a boxed PC to replace my laptop. This was before I knew about building your own PC. Now Im on that path, as you can read.

You're right I do have a HD with Win 7 on it. When I bought the PC it had Vista but I got a free upgrade CD with it to upgrade to Win 7. Couldnt I use that CD to load Win 7 on my new HD? If not, then cant I re-insert the upgrade CD and do a full wipe/reinstall fresh of Win 7 for the new build?


edited: Also from looking around page after page of builds I think this is what I need. The only real game I'd play would be Diablo3, on high settings if I could. Then internet browsing. Thats pretty much it. The amount of PS I do is small. And if Ive been doing it on this older PC fine, then this newer build should be leaps and bounds better than what I have now, right? So if I build it to play diablo nicely then internet browsing would be a snap..
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March 24, 2012 7:18:01 PM

Yeah AMD has fallen far from the tree. The FX chips suck. No there is not pro you can even make for it. They perform worse than the Phenoms and Thubans and run with terrible efficiency.
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March 24, 2012 7:20:34 PM

You can reuse the 320GB, if you install Windows 7 again you can format and wipe the drive and use it with the new comp. Unless you want to keep the hard drive info.

I mean the only thing I'm saying is that the builds posted don't have OS accounted for, not just mine. But if you need to keep, after OS, below $700 just don't get the HDD and reuse your 320GB or switch the i5 2400 with the i3 2100.
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March 24, 2012 7:43:11 PM

I would suggest, though you say you like newegg, go to Microcenter, what you supposedly save on newegg will be eaten with shipping most likely, and with Microcenter, you've got the 30 day warranty to walk in with stuff if there's problems. Also, many times at least on AMD processors, Microcenter does a deal if you get a CPU, you get 40 bucks off the board. So that's more money saved.


On that Asrock board, Microcenter near me carries the same board for 89.99. FX 4100 is 99.99. In my cart with shipping, I can get that board and chip for 164.12 with tax. I will say stick to newegg for the OS and the video card, they seem to have better pricing on the OS and better selection of video cards.

So let's pretend you were going with the FX4100 and the above board.

164.12-cpu+board
130-6850(from newegg)
45-GSkill Memory from above
17-Samsung Optical drive above(or MC has LG drives for 15.99 when I bought one recently)
55-for case and fans mentioned above(The CM 430 looks good, I've got a Storm Scout personally, but you may also check out the Thermaltake V3 Black.

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

30 after rebate, still some high end features, but low price. If you did that instead of the 430 probably 45 for fans and case.

Figure an extra 20 bucks for taxes, without an OS you are at 421.12

Add 100 for the OS from newegg, and you are at 521.12. The FX4100 may not be the fastest chip out there, but rumor has it that guys are overclocking it to 4.5-4.6ghz. Realistically, you aren't going to break speed records, but that should game alright. If you overclock much, add maybe a Hyper 212 for another 30 bucks to put you at 550ish.

If you are thinking the FX4100 isn't enough, maybe opt for the FX8120 which in my cart at MC is 251.67, so 87.55 more. But if you did that, with what is above you are at 637.55 which is cheaper than the above build, I did leave out the hard drive, because you've already got the 320gb which will start you out. But at that, you are at a chip that is probably comparable to an i5, plus has an unlocked mulitiplier to overclock with, and you would have the Hyper 212 cooler to do it with. So yes, you would not have the fastest system on the block, but it should still throw down, and later when Piledriver comes out, you should be able to do a bios flash, drop in a new CPU and keep rolling.

*Edit--As for ram, yeah you can go 16gb if you want, but realistically, 8 is plenty. I mean really, guys I know that are big into photoshop editing and web design are telling me that 8 is plenty and the only time you need more is if you are doing stuff like that. With an 8 core and 1gb of ram per core, that system ought to set you up for a couple of years or so.



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March 24, 2012 7:46:28 PM

^ If you go with the FX-4100 might as well go with the i3 2100 which is the same price @ MC. The reason? With Sandy Bridge you'll be able to actually upgrade and gain performance, with Bulldozer? Not the case. The FX-8120 is the best chip and performs by far worse than the cheaper i5 2400.
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March 24, 2012 7:52:18 PM


mroneeyedboh said:
Thanks. Is that overclockable? But I dont think I would need that anyway. And that should perform fairly well, doing light gaming right?

what version of windows should I get?


Yes. You should hit 4GHz without too much trouble. Investing $75 in an SSD is the way to go. Win7-64 with 2x2GB is a good place to start.

Intel Fans can't touch it regardless of all the bluster. The SSD (and more RAMs) will make a huge difference in PS.

Quote:
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Combo: $376

Sapphire Radeon HD 6850: $135 with code EMCNGHG75 before $15 rebate

With an OS, you have room for a 60GB SSD and CM CPU cooler in your $700 budget.
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March 24, 2012 7:53:08 PM

here is another build I came across

MOBO : ASRock H61M-VS LGA 1155 Intel H61 Micro ATX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813157241
CPU : i3-2100 Sandy Bridge
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115078
RAM : G.SKILL Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231424
GPU : SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102908
PSU : Antec BP550 Plus 550W Continuous Power 80 PLUS Certified Modular
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817371016
DVD-RW : LG 22X Super-Multi DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827136240
CASE : COOLER MASTER Elite 341 MicroATX Mid Tower
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811119193
OS : Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6832116986
TOTAL : $578.92 and 564$ after rebates + DIRT 3 free coupon.
In your budget fit even a 6870 video card and you can play everything you want at high setings.

And you can add this for around 30 more bucks

SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814102948

And thats everything I would need OS included. Would that play diablo 3 alright?
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March 24, 2012 7:58:41 PM


I don't see a HDD or SSD.

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March 24, 2012 8:06:38 PM

Yeah that build looks solid. I was suggesting for you to do that the entire time but I guess you didn't notice my poist.
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March 24, 2012 8:11:41 PM

Azn its nothing personal haha Im just looking all over.. I did miss it.

Like I said I think I need a Pc that can run diablo on high and whatever I need the Pc to do ( light PS and 99% internet browsing ) it can handle. So if I can run on an i3 chip okay, but if an i5 is better THAT much more better then okay, and so on... ya know what I mean?
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March 24, 2012 8:56:00 PM

Well for what you stated the i3 is fine. It'll run light PS just alright.
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March 25, 2012 4:02:18 AM

Is the 8120 that weak? Because aren't they a lot more overclockable than i3? Maybe another direction to look is the amd 6 core models. Nice compromise. I guess my biggest problem with i3 is that for me personally I have an athlon ii quad core. Though I know that i3 in benchmarks is supposed to be better than my quad core for example, I guess I see i3 as still a dual core with hyperthreading, for me personally I feel like I would be downgrading by going i3. I guess what I'm saying is that i3 will probably be just fine, but I think if you are going to go Intel, skip i3 and at least an i5 2400. Just my opinion. I'm not saying i3 isn't a good chip, just my personal perspective. But if you want to game, realistically, the chip does make a difference, but your video card is probably more of your difference. So you could go say with the fx4100 and overclock it, and go bigger on the video card, on the other side of that, its easier to upgrade a video card than processor. Let us know what you pick. I am curious to see what rig you come up with, I think with any builds recommended, you are gonna enjoy it.
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March 25, 2012 4:27:20 AM

Im still nto sure where I want to go with it. Its the thing where if I get one thing then I might have thought ehh maybe I should have went with something else.

When you really dont know what you're looking at etc it makes it hard to make a decision. Im merely relying on your guys to steer me in the right direction. Which I do appreciate BTW, its the whole AMD versus Intel thing too. On here it seems to be mostly Intel, but other forum its AMD. I dont really want to deal with Oc'ing so that makes me lean more towards the i5.
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March 25, 2012 4:35:07 AM

aznshinobi said:

If you already have a 320GB you can just reuse that, not get the HDD in my build and allocate that $80 for one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Best SSD for the price, gives you the newer SF-22xx controller and SATA 3 speeds.


I re-read this thread again, and again and again haha. My other question is, I have that windows 7 upgrade disk ( vista to windows 7 ) can that be used to install a copy of windows, as in would it install again?
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March 25, 2012 4:50:39 AM

I'm pretty sure Windows Upgrade only works once. Windows 7 Full would work on any computer as long as you only have the same serial number activated on one computer.

As for AMD, it's not a competition, even after overclocking AMD lacks performance VS Intel. You can't say that just AMD can overclock because then you'd have to include the fact that the i5 2500K can also overclock just as much. But another thing, AMD loses insane efficiency after a 4GHZ overclock, so much so that it makes the power consumption way more than even the older 45nm Phenom and Thubans.
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March 25, 2012 5:14:22 AM

Yeah I got that now haha. Its just a lot to take in. Now Im going thru your build page and looking around for the cheapest place I can get it. Im starting to think I might be better off going with the 800 build, but for internet mostly... lol might be over kill huh? I also noticed that the fan is OOS, is there any other that you would recommend? What about using this memory in place of the PNY? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Would the SSD be worth it for the OS? Or for what I need the PC for, should I just save that 80 bucks? And is it worth upgrading to the i5 2500k, its only ten more bucks here ( http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57962&vpn=BX80623I5250... )
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March 25, 2012 6:15:11 AM

I think the i5 2500k is great, buys its value is if you are going to overclock. If you don't want to overclock, check out the 2400. That may also save money toward the ssd. Main thing ssd will do is give you quicker boot times and faster load load times. But for games, once games are loaded up, you probably will see no difference in frame rate.
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March 25, 2012 6:23:23 AM

Yeah it's definitely overkill the i3 2100 is fine IMO. Even the i5 2400 would be a bit much for just minor gaming and web browsing. It's nice to have definitely but is it needed? The SSD is definite worth it if this is like a workflow computer where you need fast boots. The money you save from going from the i5 to an i3 can be allocated towards the SSD.

Getting the i5 2500K is sweet but then you have to take account you need a Z68 board or P67 board in order to overclock and then you're paying even more.

My suggestion go with my $650 but use the i3 2100 instead.
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March 25, 2012 6:42:10 AM

How long would the i3 last? I found the i3 last in terms of, well keeping up with technology? Im not trying to justify getting the i5 2400 cpu but would it make the PC that much faster? If so, then I'll get it. I dont think i need the SSD. Ive been using HDDs for years and dont have an issue with the boot times. And that's all the SSD really effects , right? I guess worse comes to worse, I can always upgrade later on... here is my wish list on newegg. I found the HDD for ten bucks cheaper shipped and the i3 ten buck cheaper shipped via NCIX

https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.as...

You'll see the substituted ram and PSU in the wishlist.
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March 25, 2012 6:53:27 AM

Well SSDs are just a lot faster. In boot times it'll boot in roughly 10-15 secs as opposed to the average HDD boot of around 1 minute - 1 minute 15 secs. Not a huge deal but it's just nice to boot fast.

As for i3 vs i5 either is fine. The i3 will last pretty long, though the i5 2400 will probably last you longer.
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March 25, 2012 6:57:40 AM

Thanks azn for being patient with me haha. So the last debate it i3 or i5...
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March 25, 2012 7:11:25 AM

Haha no problem that's what I'm here for.

In the end it's ultimately your choice. I'd go with the i5 2400 honestly just because I like the idea of having a good quad core, though some may disagree with me. I think the $70 difference is still worth it for a quad core that performs so well. Specially one that is such a low power consuming one.

When I purchased my Phenom 550 (my first CPU) I didn't think I was going to use Photoshop, but after I started pursuing Photography, the 550 was just not enough and I should've just used extra to get the Phenom 955 as in the end I did. You never know your needs in the future
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March 25, 2012 7:17:09 AM

yeah true, mind as well do it now.

Is that RAM and PSU alright on my wishlist?
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March 25, 2012 7:17:12 AM

if you can wait then wait.
as 3rd gen icore series will use less power, will perform better, will run cool.
also new gpu will be there with less price tag.
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March 25, 2012 7:25:40 AM

How long are we talking? Price point change? Same socket? Can I use the same MB/ items in my wish list?
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March 25, 2012 7:36:41 AM

Longer than you wanted to wait. The chips he's talking about, I believe, is Ivy Bridge which isn't going to be a HUGE improvement but it'll be slight. It's going to be 22nm and although it sounds like a huge deal, it's not. Haswell (2014 or 2013 can't remember) will be the next complete socket replacement which would be the largest improvement.

Ivy Bridge will keep the Sandy Bridge arch but die shrink it. The performance gain isn't going to be huge, it'll be slight. But you'll be saving slightly more power. Running cool is debateable as Sandy already runs pretty cool already, how much it'll change is depending on the outcome.

New GPU I'm assuming he's referring to Nvidia's 6xx but that's not worth the wait for about 2-4 months when you can get the 6870 now and it'll last you for a while.

Where's your wishlist again?
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March 25, 2012 7:28:22 PM

Your wishlist isn't public.
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March 25, 2012 11:09:40 PM

It doesn't allow me to see it when I sign in.
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March 25, 2012 11:10:30 PM

Nope, doesn't work still.

But is your build just my $650 w/ the i3 instead? Or...
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March 26, 2012 12:02:56 AM
March 26, 2012 12:10:23 AM

Didn't see video card or cpu. Mobo listed twice I think. Also think I'd opt for another board, lot of doa reports from ppl reviewing it.

Nice looking case, maybe check this out though, they are about 10 bucks cheaper at Microcenter though after rebates.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Saves a little money there imo. Those thermaltakes are great for 30 bucks, fairly easy to build in also. I've done builds for others, used this a couple of times and not dissapointed.

If you want something more portable and don't spending a little more, this is the case I've got, cable management is not bad, and I like it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 26, 2012 12:48:30 AM

I'd still stick with the MB just my opinion but yeah you didn't list a CPU or GPU.

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