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April 5, 2005 5:57:06 PM

Archived from groups: alt.games.video.xbox (More info?)

I have a game center and the network I use to system link my 24 xboxs
for tournament and freeplay is also connected to my computer, which
means that the network is connected to Broadband internet.

People eventually found out that the xboxs were connected to a
broadband connection. Lately, I've been having more and more people
show up with their memory cards wanting to play xbox live, particularly
as a team of four guys on four xboxs in team slayer/skirmish.
Sometimes I'll have as many as 8 people using their xbox live accounts
at once.

I have six xboxs per room in four different rooms networked together
with two d-link dss-5+ switches chained together in each room. The
xboxs are connected into the switches, and then one of the switches
from each room is connected into a caymen series utopia 4 port
router/dsl modem.

This works great for system link play, but when people come in with
memory cards and play on live it's a fairly regular occurence that they
will get booted - about 15% of the time. This, they tell me, is
particularly annoying in team slayer matches. Usually only one guy from
a team will get booted, but occassionally two guys will.

I called microsoft and asked them for a recommendation. They suggested
replacing the dss-5+ with Di-604 routers. I replaced one of the
switches with a Di-604 and the connection on the xboxs connected to it
was rock solid - played for hours with no one getting kicked.
Unfortunately, though this router works great for online play, it will
not work with sytem link play from room to room as you can not chain
these routers together through the WAN port. You can chain them
together through the LAN ports but if I did that it would mean that I
would need 3 di-604s PER ROOM to accomadate the xboxs and my computer
connection.

I called d-link and they recommended using a DI-808hv (which is an 8
port router) but bypassing the WAN port and just using the LAN ports so
that system link would still work as well as xbox live if people chose
to use it. It has 8 LAN ports on it and given that the DI-604 works
great with Xbox live the DI-808hv probably would, too, according to
D-Link anyway.

My question is this. D-Link also makes an 8 port switch - the Dss-8+.
It's considerably cheaper than the DI-808hv. Can anybody tell me which
would work better with Xbox Live using multiple xboxs? I continue to
have the problem with people getting booted from live using the
existing dss-5+ but maybe this has something to do with having two
dss-5+ chained together in each room. Again, it does not happen all
the time, just some of the time. Would I be able to expect different
results using just one switch per room ( the dss-8+) rather than two
per room (the dss-5+)? Would I be better to chain three DI-604s
together per room? Or would I be better off just spending the extra
cash and going with one DI-808hv per room and using the 8 LAN ports on
each one?

Any help would be appreciated. Sorry for the long post.
April 12, 2005 6:43:56 AM

Archived from groups: alt.games.video.xbox (More info?)

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 13:57:06 -0700, bmowell wrote:

> I have a game center and the network I use to system link my 24 xboxs for
> tournament and freeplay is also connected to my computer, which means that
> the network is connected to Broadband internet.
>
> People eventually found out that the xboxs were connected to a broadband
> connection. Lately, I've been having more and more people show up with
> their memory cards wanting to play xbox live, particularly as a team of
> four guys on four xboxs in team slayer/skirmish. Sometimes I'll have as
> many as 8 people using their xbox live accounts at once.
>
> I have six xboxs per room in four different rooms networked together with
> two d-link dss-5+ switches chained together in each room. The xboxs are
> connected into the switches, and then one of the switches from each room
> is connected into a caymen series utopia 4 port router/dsl modem.
>
> This works great for system link play, but when people come in with memory
> cards and play on live it's a fairly regular occurence that they will get
> booted - about 15% of the time. This, they tell me, is particularly
> annoying in team slayer matches. Usually only one guy from a team will get
> booted, but occassionally two guys will.
>
> I called microsoft and asked them for a recommendation. They suggested
> replacing the dss-5+ with Di-604 routers. I replaced one of the switches
> with a Di-604 and the connection on the xboxs connected to it was rock
> solid - played for hours with no one getting kicked. Unfortunately, though
> this router works great for online play, it will not work with sytem link
> play from room to room as you can not chain these routers together through
> the WAN port. You can chain them together through the LAN ports but if I
> did that it would mean that I would need 3 di-604s PER ROOM to accomadate
> the xboxs and my computer connection.
>
> I called d-link and they recommended using a DI-808hv (which is an 8 port
> router) but bypassing the WAN port and just using the LAN ports so that
> system link would still work as well as xbox live if people chose to use
> it. It has 8 LAN ports on it and given that the DI-604 works great with
> Xbox live the DI-808hv probably would, too, according to D-Link anyway.
>
> My question is this. D-Link also makes an 8 port switch - the Dss-8+.
> It's considerably cheaper than the DI-808hv. Can anybody tell me which
> would work better with Xbox Live using multiple xboxs? I continue to have
> the problem with people getting booted from live using the existing dss-5+
> but maybe this has something to do with having two dss-5+ chained together
> in each room. Again, it does not happen all the time, just some of the
> time. Would I be able to expect different results using just one switch
> per room ( the dss-8+) rather than two per room (the dss-5+)? Would I be
> better to chain three DI-604s together per room? Or would I be better off
> just spending the extra cash and going with one DI-808hv per room and
> using the 8 LAN ports on each one?
>
> Any help would be appreciated. Sorry for the long post.


In general, daisy-chaining ethernet switches (and especially ethernet
hubs) will cause problems. You can normally get away with chaining 2
devices, but the rule is you never go past 3. I don't know what level of
experience you have configuring networks, so I provide some pointers below.

You can flatten out the topology by running all your ethernet cables back
to a central point and connecting them to a single switch. Connect a
single broadband router to the switch and all devices will have Internet
connectivity. This is the least complex configuration, but if your site is
large, this will require some work to run the 24 cables.

Alternatively, you can segment the networks with routers, as Microsoft
suggested. This will create different subnets that must be routed
together. Any router should function for this, as long as it allows you to
disable Network Address Translation and firewall functions.

I can't speak for the specific D-Link router in question, but most
of the broadband firewall/routers I've seen have a configuration
option somewhere to disable the NAT function. Some Linksys routers
mislabel this setting as "Gateway or Router" without describing what
it really does, so you might have to hunt it down on your D-Links.

Here's a sample configuration that should work (All subnet masks are /24
or 255.255.255.0)

Internet Router:
primary router WAN interface (determined by your ISP settings)
primary router LAN interface 192.168.255.254
primary router default gateway (determined by your ISP settings)
NAT and Firewall turned on
Add Static route 192.168.1.0/24 via 192.168.255.1
Add Static route 192.168.2.0/24 via 192.168.255.2
Add Static route 192.168.3.0/24 via 192.168.255.3
Add Static route 192.168.4.0/24 via 192.168.255.4
(repeat for how many rooms you have)

Room one:
router one LAN interface 192.168.1.254
router one WAN interface 192.168.255.1
router one default gateway 192.168.255.254
Subnet 192.168.1.x
gateway 192.168.1.254

Room two:
router two LAN interface 192.168.2.254
router two WAN interface 192.168.255.2
router two default gateway 192.168.255.254
Subnet 192.168.2.x
gateway 192.168.2.254

Add routers for however many rooms you have. It's a good idea to write the
IP address for the LAN and WAN interfaces of the routers on an address
label and stick it onto the router.

Connect your Xboxes to the internal routers and configure them on the
corresponding subnet, and with default gateway pointing to the
corresponding LAN router address.

You should be able to do ping tests to troubleshoot any missing routes,
don't forget your default routes on the internal routers and the static
routes on your primary router.

Hope this helps.
Anonymous
September 27, 2010 9:52:09 PM

Man I wish I would have come across this the other day. I had been told that it is simply not possible to host/join the same XBL game from within the same network or behind the same public IP. I'm new to XBL and all so I don't know the why's yet, I'm /not/ new to networking and the like.

I can say for sure that opening the box and placing two xbox 360's in the same broadcast domain these two could not host/join each other or voice chat. I could however have a third person elsewhere host and both could then join just fine.

In an attempt to circumvent this I created a GRE tunnel (no encryption) from my 3725 (main router hooked directly up to my Uverse RG in DMZ) to an offsite server. I split the home network into two VLAN's, ACL'd both VLAN's off so that they could not talk to each other and then using policy based routing I set the next hop for VLAN two to be the GRE endpoint.

Watching a packet capture on the VPS I can clearly see that the traffic is being pushed through my tunnel and xbox #2 looks to source from a data center now. Hurrah I thought... I still have the same problem :s

Hopefully sometime this weekend I'll actually have time to sit down, think about this, and see what the problem is but for now I'm stuck with having to have a third party be involved if I wan't to play an XBL game with my roommate without linking the
September 28, 2010 5:09:52 AM

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