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April 5, 2005 9:14:05 PM

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OK, ok, I realized there was one last thing I could do with the
Gamespot data, it's going to be harder to compile though...

The big complaint was that they seemed to be way off base on individual
game reviews and I couldn't think of an effective way to see if there
was a problem with this. I didn't really want to go through 1828 games
on a title by title basis comparing them to Gamerankings.

Then it hit me... Let's check the reviewers.

So I'm building a list comparing Greg Kasavin and Jeff Gerstmann
reviews vs. the Gamerankings score. This should allow me to see the
over/under on their scores, calculate an average given to all systems,
and finally, put to rest any thought of bias.

Look for it later this evening in this thread.

- Jordan
Anonymous
April 6, 2005 3:31:50 PM

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"Jordan" <lundj@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Look for it later this evening in this thread.

I'm holding my breath and waiting by my monitor. ;-)
April 7, 2005 3:48:04 AM

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OK, this is taking longer than I thought, but here's the preliminary
data for Kasavin...

Yes, he did score some games absurdly low... but over-all he also
scored some games absurdly high.

The average Kasavin score for an Xbox title is 7.84. The average
Gameranking score for the exact same list of titles is 78.73%. They are
virtually identical.

When it comes to the ranges of Superb, Great and etc. games it breaks
down like this:

Both identified 0 perfect games.

Kasavin id'd 9 Superb titles while Gamerankings hit 12.
Kasavin had 5 more great titles. 29 to 24.
But 3 less good titles. 18 to 21.
All others is about equal, 15 to 14.

On average Kasavin underscored Xbox titles by 0.38. Hardly worth
mentioning at all.

PS2 numbers are being compiled now, but it looks like (so far) he's
giving the Xbox a fair shake.

Here are the raw numbers sorted by how far off he was:

His score is first, followed by the Gamerankings score. His score is
then muiltiplied by 10 and the Gamerankings score is subtracted to get
the variance.

Amped 2 Xbox 7 82.7 -12.7
Kung Fu Chaos Xbox 6.5 76.5 -11.5
Blinx: The Time Sweeper Xbox 6.3 73.8 -10.8
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind Game of the Year
Edition Xbox 7.9 88.8 -9.8
Legacy of Kain: Defiance Xbox 6.9 77.7 -8.7
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory Xbox 8.6 94.4 -8.4
Dungeons & Dragons Heroes Xbox 6.6 74.1 -8.1
Full Spectrum Warrior Xbox 7.7 84.3 -7.3
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Xbox 8.6 92.8 -6.8
Dead or Alive 3 Xbox 7.9 85.7 -6.7
Godzilla: Destroy All Monsters Melee Xbox 6.4 70 -6
Soul Calibur II Xbox 8.5 91 -6
Doom 3 Xbox 8.6 91.3 -5.3
Project Gotham Racing 2 Xbox 8.7 92.2 -5.2
Deus Ex: Invisible War Xbox 8 84.3 -4.3
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six 3 Xbox 8.4 88.3 -4.3
Crimson Sea Xbox 7.5 79.2 -4.2
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King Xbox 8 83.4 -3.4
Red Faction II Xbox 7.4 77.2 -3.2
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Xbox 9.1 94 -3
Hitman: Contracts Xbox 7.6 78.4 -2.4
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time Xbox 9 92.4 -2.4
Fight Club Xbox 3.7 39.1 -2.1
Brute Force Xbox 7.6 78 -2
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow Xbox 9.1 92.6 -1.6
Godzilla: Save the Earth Xbox 6 61.5 -1.5
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind Xbox 8.5 86.5 -1.5
Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne Xbox 8.4 85.1 -1.1
Counter-Strike Xbox 7.2 73.1 -1.1
Guilty Gear X2 #Reload Xbox 8.4 85 -1
Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
Xbox 8.5 85.8 -0.8
Dead Man's Hand Xbox 6 60.7 -0.7
Halo 2 Xbox 9.4 94.6 -0.6
Prisoner of War Xbox 6.8 68.4 -0.4
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance Xbox 8.7 87.3 -0.3
SSX 3 Xbox 9 90.2 -0.2
Hitman 2: Silent Assassin Xbox 8.6 86 0
Panzer Dragoon Orta Xbox 9 90 0
Bloody Roar Extreme Xbox 6.5 64.9 0.1
Dead to Rights Xbox 7.6 75.6 0.4
Fable Xbox 8.6 85.1 0.9
Star Wars: The Clone Wars Xbox 7.5 73.7 1.3
Otogi 2: Immortal Warriors Xbox 8.3 81.6 1.4
Van Helsing Xbox 6.9 67.5 1.5
Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance Xbox 8.5 83.5 1.5
Kakuto Chojin Xbox 5.5 53.1 1.9
Thief: Deadly Shadows Xbox 8.3 80.9 2.1
Tenchu: Return From Darkness Xbox 7.3 70.8 2.2
Shadow Ops: Red Mercury Xbox 6.8 65.5 2.5
Ninja Gaiden Xbox 9.4 91.4 2.6
Commandos 2: Men of Courage Xbox 7.8 75.2 2.8
Mafia Xbox 7.1 68.1 2.9
Otogi: Myth of Demons Xbox 8.4 81 3
Mortal Kombat: Deception Xbox 8.5 81.8 3.2
Blood Omen 2 Xbox 7.6 72.8 3.2
X-Men: Next Dimension Xbox 6.4 60.4 3.6
Dead or Alive Ultimate Xbox 8.8 84.2 3.8
The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay Xbox 9.3 88.9 4.1
SVC Chaos: SNK vs. Capcom Xbox 6.3 58.8 4.2
Street Fighter Anniversary Collection Xbox 8.2 77.8 4.2
Dai Senryaku VII: Modern Military Tactics Xbox 8 75.2 4.8
Deathrow Xbox 8.7 81.5 5.5
Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel Xbox 7.3 67.3 5.7
Gladius Xbox 8.4 78 6
Capcom vs. SNK 2 EO Xbox 8.7 80.9 6.1
Max Payne Xbox 9.2 85.7 6.3
Pirates of the Caribbean Xbox 7.6 69.4 6.6
Serious Sam Xbox 8.5 77.2 7.8
Manhunt Xbox 8.3 74.8 8.2
RoadKill Xbox 7.6 67.8 8.2
Arx Fatalis Xbox 8.3 73.3 9.7
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Anonymous
April 8, 2005 6:28:09 PM

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I'm not interested in what he gives the average game. He, and Gamespot,
rate the top Xbox titles (games which receive 8.0 and above from other
reviewers) lower than average.
April 8, 2005 7:16:35 PM

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I hate to break it to you, but the evidence is simply not there.

Gamerankings shows 167 titles scoring 80% or higher (18 of those ranked
higher than 90%) on the Xbox. Gamespot shows 175 titles ranked 8.0 or
higher (of those 32 ranked 9.0 or higher.)

I won't post the complete lists... but here's everything that scored
higher than 9.0 (90%):

Gamerankings:

1. Halo: Combat Evolved 94.60%
4. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Chaos Theory 94.50%
2. Halo 2 94.30%
3. Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 93.90%
5. Grand Theft Auto Double Pack 93.30%
9. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell 92.80%
7. Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow 92.60%
10. Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 92.40%
6. Burnout 3: Takedown 92.20%
8. Project Gotham Racing 2 92.20%
11. Ninja Gaiden 91.40%
15. Pro Evolution Soccer 4 91.20%
12. Soul Calibur II 91.00%
19. ESPN NFL 2K5 90.70%
14. Doom 3 90.70%
22. SSX 3 90.30%
13. Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 90.30%
16. Panzer Dragoon Orta 90.00%

Gamespot:

Halo: Combat Evolved 9.7 J. Fielder
Grand Theft Auto Double Pack 9.6 J. Gerstmann
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 9.6 J. Gerstmann
Burnout 3: Takedown 9.5 J. Gerstmann
Halo 2 9.4 G. Kasavin
Ninja Gaiden 9.4 G. Kasavin
World Soccer Winning Eleven 8 International 9.3 J. Calvert
The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay 9.3 G. Kasavin
Rallisport Challenge 2 9.3 A. Navarro
Freedom Fighters 9.3 J. Gerstmann
ESPN NFL Football 9.3 R. Mac Donald
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 9.3 J. Gerstmann
NFL 2K2 9.3 R. Mac Donald
Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 9.2 B. Colayco
ESPN NFL 2K5 9.2 A. Navarro
Max Payne 9.2 G. Kasavin
NBA Street V3 9.1 B. Colayco
ESPN NHL 2K5 9.1 A. Navarro
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow 9.1 G. Kasavin
Top Spin 9.1 R. Davis
Madden NFL 2004 9.1 G. Varanini
Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 9.1 G. Kasavin
World Series Baseball 2K3 9.1 F. Provo
NFL 2K3 9.1 G. Varanini
Rallisport Challenge 9.1 A. Ajami
Madden NFL 2005 9 A. Navarro
MVP Baseball 2004 9 F. Provo
Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time 9 G. Kasavin
SSX 3 9 G. Kasavin
ESPN NHL Hockey 9 A. Navarro
Panzer Dragoon Orta 9 G. Kasavin
MechAssault 9 J. Gerstmann

..
Anonymous
April 8, 2005 9:54:37 PM

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Your data is incomplete and garbled. For instance, Doom 3's gamer
ranking is given (90.7%), but not Gamespot's. (8.6) The same was done
with Chaos Theory. (8.6 from Gamespot's Kasavin, 94.5% from Gamer
Rankings) These can't be explained away, and the modality of their
reviews can't be quantified with disorganized data. Kasavin's review of
Myst IV speaks volumes:

"Neither the beautiful sights nor the simple controls of Myst IV
withstood the translation to the Xbox without incident." - Greg Kasavin

He gave the game a ranking of 7.5. (with Gamespot readers giving it an
8.4)

IGN's review of the same game:

"It delves deeper into mythos of the Myst universe through a
captivating story while still providing enough cushion for beginners.
It's also one of the most visually stunning and aurally pleasing
"classic" adventure games, since, well, ever."

They gave the same game an 8.5.
Anonymous
April 9, 2005 1:36:32 AM

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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Your data is incomplete and garbled. For instance, Doom 3's gamer
> ranking is given (90.7%), but not Gamespot's. (8.6)

And GameSpot's review was dead on.
The other mags and sites way over rated D3 for the XBox.
April 9, 2005 1:50:47 PM

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I'm not talking about individual games. I'm talking about averages. You
said that "on average Gamespot scores games lower" and I posted
evidence to the contrary.

On average Gamespot scores Xbox games HIGHER than Gamerankings, they
have a greater quanity of games rated 8.0 or higher and they have a
greater quantity of games rated 9.0 and higher.

On average Gamespot has no bias. Do they screw up individual reviews
from time to time? Sure. But they also screw up in favor of the Xbox
rating games like Arx Fatalis higher than average.

Check out their Chronicles of Riddick score... 9.3 at Gamespot and 89.1
at Gamerankings.

- Jordan

- Jordan
Anonymous
April 9, 2005 3:21:13 PM

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aether wrote:
> Your data is incomplete and garbled. For instance, Doom 3's gamer
> ranking is given (90.7%), but not Gamespot's. (8.6) The same was done
> with Chaos Theory. (8.6 from Gamespot's Kasavin, 94.5% from Gamer
> Rankings) These can't be explained away, and the modality of their
> reviews can't be quantified with disorganized data. Kasavin's review
of
> Myst IV speaks volumes:
>
> "Neither the beautiful sights nor the simple controls of Myst IV
> withstood the translation to the Xbox without incident." - Greg
Kasavin
>
> He gave the game a ranking of 7.5. (with Gamespot readers giving it
an
> 8.4)

Yes, everyone and their mother known Kasavin is a dope. He is by far
the uber nerd of all nerds, but he's not Gamespot by himself. There
are plenty of other reviewers there who are decent.
Anonymous
April 10, 2005 10:43:03 PM

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Don't be surprised, however, if Mr. half-breed gives Jade Empire an
extremely high rating. It is, afterall, a game set in China.

I've played the demo, and was decidedly unimpressed.
Anonymous
April 11, 2005 3:00:02 PM

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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Don't be surprised, however, if Mr. half-breed gives Jade Empire an
> extremely high rating. It is, afterall, a game set in China.
>
> I've played the demo, and was decidedly unimpressed.


What happened to "scoring all the big titles too low"? You're some piece of
work, now you're making pre-emptive excuses even though your stupid theories
have all been discredited multiple time already.
I'm sure Gamespot will score Jade Empire whatever they think it deserves.
Whatever bias they may have is nothing compared to your sorry fanboyism, and
apparent racism as well.
Anonymous
April 11, 2005 9:40:14 PM

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Well, I'll be a monkey's nephew. Kasavin gave it a 8.4 -- what it
deserved.
Anonymous
April 11, 2005 10:46:13 PM

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aether wrote:
> Well, I'll be a monkey's nephew. Kasavin gave it a 8.4 -- what it
> deserved.

And it deserves that score because you played it, right?

You as big of an ass as Kasavin is.
Anonymous
April 11, 2005 11:37:04 PM

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>And it deserves that score because you played it, right?

It's not a special game. IGN's rating of 9.9 is patently absurd. This
time, Gamespot got it right.
Anonymous
April 12, 2005 12:43:42 AM

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aether wrote:
>> And it deserves that score because you played it, right?
>
> It's not a special game. IGN's rating of 9.9 is patently absurd. This
> time, Gamespot got it right.

Does this mean Gamespot isn't biased?
Anonymous
April 12, 2005 12:18:03 PM

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"Hank the Rapper" <xflopgoon@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> aether wrote:
>>> And it deserves that score because you played it, right?
>>
>> It's not a special game. IGN's rating of 9.9 is patently absurd. This
>> time, Gamespot got it right.
>
> Does this mean Gamespot isn't biased?

KER-SLAAAAM!
Anonymous
April 12, 2005 6:42:20 PM

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"Hank the Rapper" <xflopgoon@REMOVEyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:MPSdnfcqFZNkqMbfRVn-gQ@giganews.com...
> > aether wrote:
> >>> And it deserves that score because you played it, right?
> >>
> >> It's not a special game. IGN's rating of 9.9 is patently absurd.
This
> >> time, Gamespot got it right.
> >
> > Does this mean Gamespot isn't biased?

No. Gamespot and EGM, obviously, will maintain their bias. This time of
Xbox dominance, in terms of quality titles, is one of misery for both.
They await the time when their bias is at least semi-justified. They're
wetting their drawers every morning, thinking about the next
Playstation console.

There's no denying the fact that, over the past three, almost four,
years, EGM has had just four Xbox covers, and one of them was a
multiplatformer. (Pandora's Tomorrow; sorry Chaos Theory.. not good
enough for a cover)
Anonymous
April 12, 2005 8:47:38 PM

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aether wrote:

> No. Gamespot and EGM, obviously, will maintain their bias. This time
> of Xbox dominance, in terms of quality titles, is one of misery for
> both. They await the time when their bias is at least semi-justified.
> They're wetting their drawers every morning, thinking about the next
> Playstation console.
>
> There's no denying the fact that, over the past three, almost four,
> years, EGM has had just four Xbox covers, and one of them was a
> multiplatformer. (Pandora's Tomorrow; sorry Chaos Theory.. not good
> enough for a cover)

ROFL. I love reading your logic.
Anonymous
April 12, 2005 9:40:26 PM

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> How many Gamecube covers have they
> done? The Cube has as many (if not more) quality titles as the Xbox
does,
> even if most of them are from Nintendo.

That's nonsense. The number of quality games on the Xbox trounces that
of the Gamecube.
Anonymous
April 13, 2005 1:08:06 AM

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Hank the Rapper wrote:
> aether wrote:
>
>
>>No. Gamespot and EGM, obviously, will maintain their bias. This time
>>of Xbox dominance, in terms of quality titles, is one of misery for
>>both. They await the time when their bias is at least semi-justified.
>>They're wetting their drawers every morning, thinking about the next
>>Playstation console.
>>
>>There's no denying the fact that, over the past three, almost four,
>>years, EGM has had just four Xbox covers, and one of them was a
>>multiplatformer. (Pandora's Tomorrow; sorry Chaos Theory.. not good
>>enough for a cover)
>
>
> ROFL. I love reading your logic.
>
>

Can you actually call that "logic" ;) 
Anonymous
April 13, 2005 3:02:47 AM

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I also own both systems, and I suppose it does depend on your tastes.
In my personal opinion, the Xbox has had the superior library of games,
esp. over the past two years.
Anonymous
April 13, 2005 4:26:20 AM

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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> There's no denying the fact that, over the past three, almost four,
> years, EGM has had just four Xbox covers, and one of them was a
> multiplatformer. (Pandora's Tomorrow; sorry Chaos Theory.. not good
> enough for a cover)

The logic centers of your brain are so amazingly broken. I love how you
ignore every time someone points out all the holes in your theories. Like
when I informed you that EGM isn't affiliated with Gamespot, or corrected
your "facts" about which Xbox games have been on the covers. I doubt you
even read all the posts showing that Gamespot's average Xbox game score is
higher than average. Or the ones about EGM's scores being on the high side.
Most of EGM's covers are non-platform specific, so the number of PS2 covers
in that time isn't very high, either. How many Gamecube covers have they
done? The Cube has as many (if not more) quality titles as the Xbox does,
even if most of them are from Nintendo. Did they get covers? No. Just
one, Zelda. That's it. Why don't you bitch about that? They do 12 covers
a year, and about half of them are platform-specific. So 1 or 2 for the
Xbox out of 6 is WAY more than fair.
Anonymous
April 13, 2005 9:11:12 AM

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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > How many Gamecube covers have they
> > done? The Cube has as many (if not more) quality titles as the Xbox
> does,
> > even if most of them are from Nintendo.
>
> That's nonsense. The number of quality games on the Xbox trounces that
> of the Gamecube.


....says the guy claiming the whole world is biased except for him. Nice job
avoiding all the relevant data once again, by the way. But here, I'll humor
you. I love watching you burn. All this sensible talk by everyone else
just pisses you off. It's amusing.

The number of quality games...I suppose that depends on what you consider
"quality". Like any sane person, I buy the games that I consider (or hope)
to be the best ones. I have more Gamecube than Xbox games by a long shot,
but that reflects my gaming tastes more than their libraries' strengths.
Let's consult this thread's popular referance, Gamerankings.com.

If you do a top 200 of all games, you'll come up with 21 Xbox and 21
Gamecube games in the list. Fair enough.
If you do a top 200 of each system by itself, let's start at games above
90%--what should be the cream of the crop, I'm sure we can agree. Gamecube
is ahead then, 21 to 16. The lower you go down from 90%, the more that
tilts back in the Xbox's favor.
So the question is, how low are your standards? When you get down to 87%,
for example, that's 57 Xbox and 48 Gamecube games--more than most people
will buy during a system's life.
The other question, I guess, is how many is "trouncing". If you go down far
enough, I'm sure you can find a number that qualifies. I'll stay up at the
top, if you don't mind--but of my own list.
Anonymous
April 15, 2005 6:28:57 PM

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"aether" <vercingetorix@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > How many Gamecube covers have they
> > done? The Cube has as many (if not more) quality titles as the Xbox
> does,
> > even if most of them are from Nintendo.
>
> That's nonsense. The number of quality games on the Xbox trounces that
> of the Gamecube.

The number of quality games on the Atari Jaguar trounces that of the
gamecube. It's not a difficult feat.
!