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July 8, 2012 10:22:07 PM

Hello

Is there a big difference in gaming performance between these 2 cpus?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

is the price difference worth it?

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July 8, 2012 10:34:02 PM

For gaming espically go with the FX, the Athlon II's are much slower and will bottle neck any decent gpu to much. For more gaming performance go with the 4.2GHz clocked FX 4170, newegg doesn't carry it but tiger direct does.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...
And make sure you get an aftermarket heatsink for either one.
July 8, 2012 11:05:55 PM

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965BE (or any other higher end Phenom II) = FTW..


100% agree if going the AMD route... 965 BE or higher....

However, if for some reason you can get your hand on a 1100t, snatch it. They are expensive though...

Otherwise, the best gaming cpu still is the 2500K for price etc.
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July 8, 2012 11:15:54 PM

If you have to go AMD I wouldn't get either of them. The Athlon is old, slow and pretty weak compared to newer CPU's. Also as someone already said the Athlon will bottle neck alot of the modern graphics cards today. The Bulldozer is just blah. It's not that great at gaming and the benchmarks show that. If you have to go AMD I would try to fine a Phenom II Black Edition and overclock it. The Phenom II will out perform the Athlon and Bulldozer.
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July 9, 2012 4:09:47 AM

Are the phenom II's really better than the 4.2 Ghz bulldozer? The CPU hiearchy puts them 2 or 3 tiers higher than most phenom II's I thought.
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July 9, 2012 4:51:43 AM

mace200200 said:
Are the phenom II's really better than the 4.2 Ghz bulldozer? The CPU hiearchy puts them 2 or 3 tiers higher than most phenom II's I thought.


Yes you are putting to much concentration in speed. Speed and "moer corezz" doesn't mean much anymore beause it's all about the architecture and Bulldozers architecture is horrible. So yes a 3.4 GHz Phenom II can out perform a 4.2 GHz Bulldozer. Just as a dual core I3 will out perform a Bulldozer in most games.
July 9, 2012 6:59:07 AM

Benchmarks don't mean everything. Yeah from them you see that the FX does not measure up. But not everyone cares about the bench marks, i am running a FX 6100 and my gf has a i5-2500K nether are over clocked at the moment just the turbo etc. and they both run great. i find no really difference in anything on ether PC . well speed on one might be 1 sec or 2 faster or slower in games and running programs. for the price the FX chips are well worth it.

and getting better as the price goes down.
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July 9, 2012 7:02:36 AM

FX: Power usage on load
Me: nope.
July 9, 2012 12:19:08 PM

FX 4100 any day. Newer and better arc then the 450.

Although BD arc are not living to the hype, it still can get the job done, and most importantly, better than the 450.
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July 9, 2012 5:01:33 PM

hijaxhfx said:
Benchmarks don't mean everything. Yeah from them you see that the FX does not measure up. But not everyone cares about the bench marks, i am running a FX 6100 and my gf has a i5-2500K nether are over clocked at the moment just the turbo etc. and they both run great. i find no really difference in anything on ether PC . well speed on one might be 1 sec or 2 faster or slower in games and running programs. for the price the FX chips are well worth it.

and getting better as the price goes down.


Lol spoken like a true fanboy trying to justify their buy. The only ones who say benchmarks down't matter are AMD fanboys.
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July 9, 2012 5:07:51 PM

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FX 4100 any day. Newer and better arc then the 450.

Although BD arc are not living to the hype, it still can get the job done, and most importantly, better than the 450.


Better architecture in what universe? Maybe you haven't noticed but the Bulldozer performs on the same level as the Core 2 Duo. Thats why it gets beaten out by by pretty much all the Intel CPU's and AMD's own older Phenom II's.
July 9, 2012 7:06:38 PM

No fan boy here, i have both well i can use the Intel when she lets me :p 
July 9, 2012 10:20:07 PM

Anonymous_26 said:
Better architecture in what universe? Maybe you haven't noticed but the Bulldozer performs on the same level as the Core 2 Duo. Thats why it gets beaten out by by pretty much all the Intel CPU's and AMD's own older Phenom II's.


I must've got a typo there. I said "newer and better arc than 450"

Sorry for any inconvinience. :) 
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July 15, 2012 7:59:17 PM

i never knew fx-4100 is not a true quad core, thats sad
i found phenom ii x2 555 is it better than athlon ii x3 450?
p.s i don't like overclocking
July 15, 2012 10:59:28 PM

I wouldn't touch an FX processor. Phenom II's still get the job done on the budget. Look into a 555BE for overclocking and possible core unlocking. I unlocked my old one to 4 cores and pushed to 3.9GHz with a Cooler Master 212.
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July 15, 2012 11:23:33 PM

So much Fanboy's :'D.

Since Benchmarks are so important to you (and me) and I'm an AMD user, which is why I bought the FX in the first place - because of the benchmarks - here's one that shows the FX beating the Athlon 455 every time, and even the PHII in one, OC and the difference is even greater, the FX-4100 has around the same performance as a PHII 955 stock or OC'd. Period.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...
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July 16, 2012 1:22:31 AM

yummerzzz said:
So much Fanboy's :'D.

Since Benchmarks are so important to you (and me) and I'm an AMD user, which is why I bought the FX in the first place - because of the benchmarks - here's one that shows the FX beating the Athlon 455 every time, and even the PHII in one, OC and the difference is even greater, the FX-4100 has around the same performance as a PHII 955 stock or OC'd. Period.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...


Yea so the Bulldozer beats the Athlon, big deal. The Athlon II’s are much slower and will bottle neck any decent GPU. If you call a Bulldozer beating an Athlon a victory that’s sad. Wow the Bulldozer beat the Phenom II in ONE whole bench mark.

Bulldozer against real competition:












So as you can see the Bulldozer doesn't perform as good as your fanboy blinds would have you believe.
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July 16, 2012 6:34:49 AM

the person who wrote the post, isnt asking for comparisions to intel and wants to know the difference in the amd processors, he has an amd motherboard and prob wont go intel so theres no reason to argue intel and amd difference. fx vs athlon vs phenom is basically all this post should be on. This guy wants an answer not people arguing back and fourth on his posting.
July 16, 2012 2:10:25 PM

No, so much kids here. :non: 

Don't be a cry baby here, just reccommend what best for the OP to get.
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July 16, 2012 5:58:37 PM

rds1220 said:
Yea so the Bulldozer beats the Athlon, big deal. The Athlon II’s are much slower and will bottle neck any decent GPU. If you call a Bulldozer beating an Athlon a victory that’s sad. Wow the Bulldozer beat the Phenom II in ONE whole bench mark.

Bulldozer against real competition:


http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m529/malmental/OC_Skyrim.png

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m529/malmental/DiRT3.png

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m529/malmental/DiRT3.png

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m529/malmental/Battlefield3.png

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m529/malmental/Averages.png

So as you can see the Bulldozer doesn't perform as good as your fanboy blinds would have you believe.


Don't you see that's what I'm saying?!
Did you not read the OP's question? Stay on topic and stop trying to start a war.
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July 16, 2012 7:23:38 PM

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1 Phenom II X4 (965-980)BE
2 Bulldozer FX-4100
3 Athlon II X3


so that means fx-4100 beats any phenom X4 below 965 on stock?

are you guys sure that fx-4100 is not a quad?why is it then sold as a quad and cpu-z sees it as a quad?

Edit - i've seen this explaination
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-bulldozer-zambezi-...

it says that an eight core bulldozer has 4 modules consisting of 2 cores each, that means a fx-4100 has 2 modules consisting of 2 cores each, which makes it a quad core, am i right?


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July 16, 2012 11:32:19 PM

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how in the hell do you get that idea from what I said?
that makes no sense..

no, the 965BE is BETTER than the FX-4100..
technically the AMD module is two cores, but that's not the problem
it's how the software out there reads the module/core design.
and then you have a bigger issue called IPC..

seriously, drop the FX-4100 and/or the X3 450 and get the 965BE..


i never said fx-4100 is better than 965, i said below 965, please read what i wrote again

at my local stores the 965 costs more than fx-4100, in u.s dollars it's about $16 higher, i've also read that windows 8 will have better support for bulldozers and some say that bulldozer is future proof
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July 17, 2012 2:40:46 AM

yummerzzz said:
Don't you see that's what I'm saying?!
Did you not read the OP's question? Stay on topic and stop trying to start a war.


Clearly you miss the point. So it beats Athlon big deal, that's like a 20 year old bragging he beat up an old lady. The Bulldozer is junk when it comes to gaming and so is the Athlon. He would be better off with a Black Edition Phenom II.
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July 17, 2012 3:03:13 AM

965BE. . .
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July 17, 2012 10:28:53 AM

rds1220 said:
Clearly you miss the point. So it beats Athlon big deal, that's like a 20 year old bragging he beat up an old lady. The Bulldozer is junk when it comes to gaming and so is the Athlon. He would be better off with a Black Edition Phenom II.



No it's not t's called staying on topic and answering OP's question...
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July 17, 2012 2:32:21 PM

yummerzzz said:
No it's not t's called staying on topic and answering OP's question...


And we all did, we said to get a Phenom II quad core Black Edition CPU because both the Athlon and Bulldozer aren't that great at gaming. Want to try again?
July 17, 2012 5:54:18 PM

Just get a 965BE.
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July 18, 2012 2:39:30 AM

If you haven't gotten by now you're not going to. Neither are worth it and a Phenom II is the better choice. Like I said if you haven't gotten by now you're not going to. :pfff: 
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July 18, 2012 5:26:24 AM

PHENOM II X4 965BE
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July 18, 2012 2:08:02 PM

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some say that bulldozer is future proof


Anyone who uses a term like "future proof" in regards to computers, should have everything they say taken with a grain of salt. There is no such thing as future proof. One can buy slightly better parts than they need at the time for the sake of a little longevity, but any CPU and Video card you go with is pretty much going to be junk in 4-5 years, no matter how nice it is today.

The only things in your system that are truly future proof are your case, power supply, optical drive, and to some extent your hard drive. Faster hard drives may come out, but most likely you can still use the older one as a secondary.

Now back to the topic at hand. Between the CPUs you've mentioned and the one we suggested, the Phenom II 965 has the best chance of guarenteeing you 3 to 4 years of relatively smooth gameplay (of course depending on what video card you pair it with), and if its $16 more at your local shop its worth every penny more over the FX-4100. Although, they are also $109 from Newegg.com currently.

The Athlon II basically is the same CPU as the Phenom II, however the Phenom II has one more core than the x3 450, and the P II also has an L3 cache, which the Athlon II does not. Depending on the game you're playing, this lacking cache can have anywhere from a 5% to a 20% hit in gaming performance. Buy the better product and always remember "you get what you pay for".

As far as Windows 8, even if there is an improvement, its not expected to be greater than 5-10 percent. Assuming Windows8 improves anything, this would merely make the FX-4100 as good as the Phenom II 965, not better than it.
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July 18, 2012 2:28:08 PM

Yea, I guess I should mention that. Quite frankly, I hate Intel, not because of their products, they absolutely do make stronger CPUs than AMD, hands down. I dislike Intel because of the way they do business, and the illegal methods they have used to get ahead of AMD in the CPU market.

Even so, I'll still give it to you straight, the Phenom II 965 is superior to the FX-4100 and thats the way it is. Alot of smart people in this thread has told you the same thing I'm telling you, Urban Legend is a smart guy who "does this stuff for a living", Rds1220, quite frankly we can't stand each other, but he also "does this stuff for a living", I'm in school to "do this stuff for a living", take our words for it and make the wiser financial decision.
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July 18, 2012 2:43:17 PM

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you do realize that running a GTX 550Ti on an ASUS FX 'Tooth' and 975BE @ 4.0GHz is sacrilegious right.?! :p 



I do actually. :kaola:  See, I bought the board for the 5 year warranty more than anything. It is my intention to drop an 8 PileDriver on it or whatever the next generation AM3+ is (Steamroller?). Based on Quad Trinity's benches against the i3+ HyperThreading, I'm thinking PileDrivers might actually be on par with SB/IB i5's, works for me.

The video card as well, at the time it was what I could afford. I know AMD uses sockets longer than Intel does, the system I have currently is one that is incomplete at this point in time. I'm still using VGA monitors, thats also something that needs to be addressed before a more powerful video card is really justifiable.
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July 18, 2012 2:43:36 PM

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The same people came in and had a pansy party... pfft.

965 BE= FOR THE WIN

You still here?

Holy cow! you're alive!!! Hey bud. :hello: 
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July 18, 2012 2:48:47 PM

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get a room.

Oh come on, you know you're glad to seem him too! :bounce: 
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July 18, 2012 2:57:58 PM

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I see too much of him.....
just won't leave me alone on Steam...
;) 

I smell a sore loser. :lol: 

You have been killed by Recon-Uk.
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July 18, 2012 3:04:04 PM

The OPs has heard a chorus of which CPU is the best choice, would it be less hi-jackingish if we ended each post with..



Phenom II 965 Black Edition with C3 stepping? $109.99 w/ Free shipping, don't delay! Order Today!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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July 18, 2012 3:08:58 PM

But it ended with me being right :'D
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July 18, 2012 3:11:25 PM

What?!
I don't know if this is even on topic anymore 0.o
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July 18, 2012 3:15:31 PM


Actually, I don't know about that picture.. I don't know how well cats fair against hawks, but I've seen cats take on dogs much bigger than they are and win. My mother also told me this story when she was a little girl, she lived in farm land, the neighbors had this big dog they let run loose who was aggressive one day she was walking to the mailbox (far away from the house) and the dog came after her, he cat "Kitty" came out of nowhere and gouged the dog's eye out. :o 
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July 18, 2012 3:17:50 PM

Listen - This is not in any way contributing to this thread, if you really ARE 22 years old, you need to act it.

Thread is over, OP has his answer, leave it.
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July 18, 2012 3:19:42 PM

Aye Aye sir *salutes*
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July 18, 2012 3:22:12 PM

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I thought i would do a mindless speech like you... i look up to little people like you :) 

Ahh sorry my mistake, i have done enough showing you up.
Stay on topic.. great answer!

www.excusetheweak.com


Mindless speech?
You call that a speech? That was the shortest and most pathetic speech I have ever seen in my entire life. You came to this thread to flame a user? go ahead, I honestly could no care if someone like you tries to insult me.
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July 18, 2012 3:25:23 PM

Ganging up on someone isn't banter because it isn't funny.
You guys can continue being internet tough guys if you like.
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July 18, 2012 3:28:52 PM

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July 18, 2012 3:30:11 PM

FX user insult, while Recon was trying to insult me, 2 on 1, ganging up.

Recon, I didn't leave the thread because you didn't listen, it's common sense to come back until you do listen.
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July 18, 2012 3:37:20 PM

I was referring to when I told you specifically to leave the thread since OP had his answer.

Continue being an internet tough guy while I sit here playing games perfectly fine on my current gaming rig which runs games perfectly for me.
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