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January 20, 2012 5:04:44 PM

Hey everyone, I currently have a Sapphire 6970, I have just bought an active 3d monitor and been assured it will work with my ati card.
However, if it doesnt, sadly its the card that is going not the monitor!
So my question is what would be a good replacement?
Bare in mind im not made of money pretty much the entire fund for this will be coming from selling my sapphire
So for around £200 to £250 what would be my best choice?
I dont mind going second hand
I am thinking either
560ti sli
or
470/480 sli
I know this might push my budget slightly but I really want great 3d performance and to be at least a little future proof?
I will also consider the option of spending a little more and maybe getting the 570 but this is all speculation as I am unfamiliar with Nvidia
I have checked benchmarks and its a bit hit or miss as to what the best combo is, so would like someone to dumb it down for me a bit

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a c 123 C Monitor
January 20, 2012 5:16:48 PM

What monitor did you buy? It would be cheaper to return it and get a monitor well suited for the card, but if not, I'd go 560ti sli over 470/480's (I have 470's). The reason is the noise. The 470 and 480's are noisy cards.
January 20, 2012 5:19:57 PM

I have the lgw2363d active, I do not want a passive monitor and if my card does not work with this monitor like it should there is no way im going passive.
So unfortunately the only option is to trade in my card and some cash.
It wont work out to much more. I have seen 560ti's going for around 120-150 so only spend another hundred really. What sort of score are you getting in benchmarks and 3d mark scores?
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a c 123 C Monitor
January 20, 2012 5:49:12 PM

AMD's cards do work with active 3D monitors, but the ones you want offer displayport connections. That monitor does not have displayport which means you'd need hdmi 1.4a and be limited to 720p at 60hz per eye.

Samsung has the 750 and 950 monitors which are better suited to AMD.

So either look at the Samsung monitors (or another DP alternative) or I'd recommend the 560ti's.
January 20, 2012 5:58:49 PM

cool thanks man, will 560ti sli outperform say a 580? I saw that apparently dual 470's outperform the 5970?

which is crazy because that card is way faster than mine! so if 560ti sli will top that then I am quite gutted I didnt just go with them in the first place.

I was obsessed with the idea of fastest single card solution. But seeing as though for the same price I can have way better performance I wont be ruling out going sli or crossfire in the future.

will I notice the difference between 720p and 1080p while using 3d? seriously do you think? as the 3d is more about the experience to me than the image quality really. (the reason I went with the setup I have is budget, managed to get the monitor for £160 whereas to change to an ati supported im looking at around £350, you can see my dilemma!)
a c 123 C Monitor
January 20, 2012 6:23:18 PM

There is a significant difference in quality between 720p and 1080p. Especially if the monitor is a 1080p monitor. The 720p image quality gets stretched out to fit the screen and it just isn't as crisp. If the monitor was a 720p monitor to begin with, it might not be as bad.

A single card does have advantages, with two cards, you won't always get the great scaling you expect, and it is hotter and louder (especially with 470's). That said, I like a lot of power for 3D, and the nice thing is, even if 3D isn't supported well, you get to see up to 120 hz worth of frames.
January 20, 2012 7:49:52 PM

right, I have just installed iz3d drivers and ran a little test, it appears that they make the image look as if passive glasses would work, I have asked around and some people say yes some say no. Any idea? if I continue to take to much hastle from this im going nvidia! but really really dont want to as I love my 6970
January 20, 2012 8:22:27 PM

I would really slow down and ask yourself what you are going for. Simply 3D with the least cost? The best quality 3D for gaming? Nvidia 3d?

1080p is much better than 720p, and you can notice a difference. If you are spending money, make sure the solution does 1080p 3D.

An AMD 6970 will power 3D easily - it just uses HD3D rather than Nvidia's option. It can display frame sequential 3D in 1080 p if you have a 120 Hz monitor - not just Nvidia monitors. I have a 7970 with a Samsung 950D monitor, and the 3D is fantastic in Diablo 3 at 1080p.

I feel that going an Nvidia route means you have to pay either Nvidia or the supported monitor an extra $100. Also, Nvidia has copied Samsung's version of the 3d glasses. So the early Nvidia glasses aren't great, and have discounted as their newer "samsung like" glasses are released.

If I were you I'd return the monitor, get a Samsung 750 or 950 monitor, and "fuggediboutit." It will work with Nvidia cards down the line too. You may also want to try tri-def software - it works with ATI cards in mind.
January 20, 2012 8:47:10 PM

http://www.lg.com/us/computer-products/monitors/LG-lcd-... thats my monitor.

To be honest, I have exhausted my budget now! so its either go nvidia or stick with what I have, the other monitors are way out of my price range, this one cost me 150 (my entire rig has been an absolute bargain)
Why wont my ati card output at 1080p on this monitor whereas a nvidia one would?

I would like the best I can get for what I have spent really, so if my best option would be to sell my card and get 2 nvidia's so be it. But upgrading the monitor is a definite no go as that would set me back at least another 150-200
a c 123 C Monitor
January 20, 2012 9:01:34 PM

dacca said:
http://www.lg.com/us/computer-products/monitors/LG-lcd-... thats my monitor.

To be honest, I have exhausted my budget now! so its either go nvidia or stick with what I have, the other monitors are way out of my price range, this one cost me 150 (my entire rig has been an absolute bargain)
Why wont my ati card output at 1080p on this monitor whereas a nvidia one would?

I would like the best I can get for what I have spent really, so if my best option would be to sell my card and get 2 nvidia's so be it. But upgrading the monitor is a definite no go as that would set me back at least another 150-200


AMD uses a technology called frame packing to deliver it's 3D frames. This technology is only supported by HDMI 1.4a and Displayport (not sure if it requires a special version or not). HDMI, even version 1.4a, cannot get more than 30hz per eye at 1080p and so you need to drop down to 720p to get 60hz per eye.

Nvidia uses Dual Link DVI and sends its information in a more traditional manner and there for can use the DL-DVI connection to get 3D.
January 20, 2012 9:32:19 PM

so, sell the sapphire and get 560ti then? :( 
a c 123 C Monitor
January 20, 2012 11:22:14 PM

If you are not going to exchange the current monitor, then yes.
January 21, 2012 8:12:00 AM

hmm... is it worth me going for the 2gb 560ti?
How much difference is there between 560 and 560ti? because I have seen someone selling a pair of 560's for what seems like a good price, but if they dont perform anywhere near the ti then I will go for that.
Although I am leaning slightly toward a single 570.
Thoughts?
a c 123 C Monitor
January 21, 2012 2:57:45 PM

A single 570 is not as fast as two 560ti's, but it will be faster than 560ti's in a few cases where SLI doesn't scale well. I have 470's in SLI, and I often lower settings for 3D because I find I want at least 50 FPS or I feel motion sickness. 560ti's are slightly faster than 470's.

If it were me, I might lean towards the 560ti's.
January 21, 2012 3:55:50 PM

Such a difficult decision as I dont really want to give up my 6970.
Is there no way the sapphire can support 120hz in 1080p? I have seen some people saying that it can be done. But how?
Why does this have to be so confusing! :( 
a c 123 C Monitor
January 21, 2012 4:41:37 PM

You can get 120hz at 1080p, just not 3D with the 6970. You can use the DL-DVI connection with the 6970 for 120hz, but it won't support frame packing, so you won't get 3D out of it (I've tried with the same card).
January 22, 2012 3:02:48 AM

This makes me a sad panda :(  I love my 6970!!!
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