HIGH end Water/Tec Home built vs Pre-built

My Quest

I have purchased a total of one Pre-built computer in my life an apple IIe from longer ago then I care to say the rest I have built both air and water cooled
I am going to upgrade my main system I started looking around Digital storm can build it for me for a not a whole lot more then it would cost me there are Pro’s and Con’s to doing it myself or having DS build it
DS will put a Tec on the CPU where I was going to use 4 water loops 1 for I am sure my water cooling system is better than the one DS is using DS has a warrantee.
DS has a good rep on the net , to be honest If I thought I could properly POT the TEC, Insulate the Socket and get a Phase Change cooler installed correctly I would go for it just to say I Built it but I just don’t have the time, so I am torn hit the buy now button and it will show up at my door ready to give me many hours of enjoyment or hit add to cart about 50 times on 50 different web sites and hope I didn’t miss any parts then spend 10 hours building the thing

DS System
Specifications:
Chassis Model: - Black OPS Syndicate Cryo-TEC Edition
Processor: Intel Core i7 Extreme Edition 3960X 3.3GHz (Six-Core) (Extreme Performance)
Motherboard: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme X79 (Intel X79 Chipset) (Features USB 3.0 and SATA 6Gb/s)
System Memory: 16GB DDR3 1600MHz Digital Storm Certified Performance Series (Highly
Power Supply: 1200W Corsair Pro Gold Series (CMPSU-1200AX) (Dual/Triple/Quad SLI Compatible)

Hard Drive RevoDrive2 X3
Hard Drive Set 2: Multimedia\Data: 2x (1TB Western Digital Caviar (7200 RPM) (Model: Black Edition)
Optical Drive 1: Blu-Ray Player/DVD Writer (Play Blu-Ray and Burn DVDs)
Optical Drive 2: Blu-Ray & DVD Writer/Reader (Burn + Play Blu-Ray & DVDs) (12x BD-R) (Lite-On

Video Card: 3x GTX 580 3GB EVGA Ultra Hydro Copper
Sound Card: Creative Labs X-Fi Titanium Fatal1ty Champion (Includes Front I/O) (PCI-Express Slot
Windows OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate (64-Bit Edition)
Display: NVIDIA 3D Vision Kit (Asus 23 inch 120Hz VG236H + NVIDIA 3D Glasses)
Keyboard: Logitech G19 Gaming Keyboard (USB) (920-000969)
Mouse: Corsair Vengeance M90 (Laser 5700 dpi) (MMO/RTS Gaming Mouse) (USB Wired)


Personal Built
MountainMods Case
4 GXT360 Radiators
4 Pumps
DangerDen CPU Block
Other than that all hardware is the same
12 answers Last reply
More about high water home built built
  1. I won't go into the relative benefits of builds here, but there's no way you can go 580, no matter what. It's the last generation now. Custom companies will get you 680s, and 7900s are actually available on their own. Both are better values than the 580.
  2. You should be looking at Case Labs cases, not MM.

    As for the rest of it, 4 separate loops does nothing for you. Have you even considered how you will route 6 separate tubes into the expansion slot area?

    Get 2 GTX 680s and put them on one pump, and one good rad.
  3. Proximon said:
    You should be looking at Case Labs cases, not MM.

    As for the rest of it, 4 separate loops does nothing for you. Have you even considered how you will route 6 separate tubes into the expansion slot area?

    Get 2 GTX 680s and put them on one pump, and one good rad.



    I picked four loops so no one device would be getting the already heated water from the prior device as for mounting and running all that tube it will fit easy in this

    http://www.mountainmods.com/ascension-cyo-choose-your-own-p-483.html?osCsid=7llo68km904m22ndp8dhcc64j3
  4. kajabla said:
    I won't go into the relative benefits of builds here, but there's no way you can go 580, no matter what. It's the last generation now. Custom companies will get you 680s, and 7900s are actually available on their own. Both are better values than the 580.



    680HC isn't out yet but I guess I can wait a week or so.
  5. Everyone kind of glossed over my question for the small difference in amounts would it be better to do pre-built with warrentee or build it myself.
  6. in this budget i would build

    http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=14894654

    and for cooling

    rad : The monolithic Black Ice® GT Xtreme 560

    http://hwlabs.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=19&Itemid=16

    chipset block : X79 Rampage IV WaterBlock Set

    http://www.xs-pc.com/products/waterblocks/chipset-waterblocks/x79-rampage-iv-waterblock-set/

    memory block : Memory WaterBlock (4 Slot) x2

    http://www.xs-pc.com/products/waterblocks/chipset-waterblocks/four-slot-memory-waterblock/

    cpu block : EK-Supreme HF - EN (Nickel)

    http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/blocks/cpu-blocks/ek-supreme-hf-en-nickel.html

    gpu block : EK-FC680 GTX - Acetal+EN (Nickel)

    http://www.ekwaterblocks.com/shop/blocks/vga-blocks/fc-geforce/ek-fc680-gtx-acetal-en-nickel.html

    pump EK - koolance mcp655 pump with bitspower uber mod

    http://www.myshopping.com.au/ZM--1213485100_Bitspower_D5_MCP655_Pump_Mod_Kit_Silver_Shining

    resovior : DD-RAD-Reservoir

    http://www.dangerden.com/store/danger-den-rad-reservoir.html


    this will be the awesome build and will play games on high and those ips monitors are gorgious and cooling equipment is cool

    (i aint pro when it comes to wc but has a bit knowledge) but if you want a pro suggestion of wc then head straight to water cooling divison

    good luck and happy to answer
  7. belezeebub said:
    I picked four loops so no one device would be getting the already heated water from the prior device as for mounting and running all that tube it will fit easy in this

    http://www.mountainmods.com/ascension-cyo-choose-your-own-p-483.html?osCsid=7llo68km904m22ndp8dhcc64j3


    There is no "heated water" in the way that you are thinking. The water in your loop heats GRADUALLY, over time.

    You still don't get what I'm talking about with the tubes. It's not about the size of your case, it's about the area of your GPUs. No one EVER does what you are proposing, for good reason.

    Sample Case Labs build
    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?277846-Project-Thief-CaseLabs-TX10-D-Dual-Workstation-Gaming-Build-Gulftown-and-SB-E
  8. I guess I don't get what you are saying

    (Overly simple example)

    you have 1 gallon of water at 30C water flows from the tank to your CPU where it is heated to 40c this 40c water flows from your cpu to your GPU where it is heated to 45c this water flows to your next video card where is is heated to 50c this water flows to your radi where it is agives up its heat and is cooled to 30c) and the whole process starts over again


    My Suggestion

    4 Loops 4 Pumps for radi and 4 tanks

    Loop 1 CPU
    Water flows from tank to CPU where it is heated to 35c back to radi where it is cooled back to 30c then back to tank

    Loop 2 GPU1
    Water flows from tank to GPU1 where it is heated to 35c back to radi where it is cooled back to 30c then back to tank

    Loop 2 GPU2
    Water flows from tank to GPU2 where it is heated to 35c back to radi where it is cooled back to 30c then back to tank

    Loop 3 GPU3
    Water flows from tank to GPU3 where it is heated to 35c back to radi where it is cooled back to 30c then back to tank
  9. You are wrong.

    The water dont get heated fast as it has very high specific jeat capacity which means it can carry much greater heat without increasing the temparature of the water much more.

    When the water flows the cpu block has a constant flow of water and a small amount of heat is taken away of a small amount of water.

    Eg. lets us assume that the temp of the cpu is 40 c and the water is at room temp i.e. 25 c when 5 ml of water passes through the cpu block its temp decrease i.e. 39 c and then again another batch of water comes and touches the cpu block making it more cooler .

    Therefore the temp of the water increase in a 1c .

    Also if you want to keep your gpus cool at the same temp then arrange the loop in parallel position dye to this the cool water is distributed equally.


    Keep the formula simple.

    For 1 cpu 1 120 mm rad and for one gpu 1 120 mm rad so you will need a quadraple 120 mm rad. i suggested a quadriple 140 mm rad which is bonus and will give you oc headrom.

    Am i right. if not correct me
  10. belezeebub said:
    I guess I don't get what you are saying

    (Overly simple example)

    you have 1 gallon of water at 30C water flows from the tank to your CPU where it is heated to 40c this 40c water flows from your cpu to your GPU where it is heated to 45c this water flows to your next video card where is is heated to 50c this water flows to your radi where it is agives up its heat and is cooled to 30c) and the whole process starts over again


    My Suggestion

    4 Loops 4 Pumps for radi and 4 tanks

    Loop 1 CPU
    Water flows from tank to CPU where it is heated to 35c back to radi where it is cooled back to 30c then back to tank

    Loop 2 GPU1
    Water flows from tank to GPU1 where it is heated to 35c back to radi where it is cooled back to 30c then back to tank

    Loop 2 GPU2
    Water flows from tank to GPU2 where it is heated to 35c back to radi where it is cooled back to 30c then back to tank

    Loop 3 GPU3
    Water flows from tank to GPU3 where it is heated to 35c back to radi where it is cooled back to 30c then back to tank



    This just indicates that you don't know how water cooling works. Come on over to the WC forum if you're dead set on getting a loop up and running; we're always glad to help if you're willing to put in the effort and learn :)
  11. Yes good advice. Stop, back up, and learn more before planning out your build. Otherwise you are asking for trouble. Big, expensive trouble.
  12. +1
Ask a new question

Read More

New Build Systems