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January 22, 2012 10:39:42 PM

So... I'm looking at a modest upgrade here.

Replacing my AMD Phenom II with an i5 2500k and also, (obviously) replacing the Mobo to an ASRock Gen 3 Z68. Going to recycle my RAM, HDD, and 1000w Thermaltake PSU.

I'm using an XFX 5870 as we speak, which isn't really cutting it for me with certain games (Skyrim).

As I was told a month or so ago when I began planning this, I'm going to try the new CPU/Mobo with my 5870 to see if it's the CPU making such a dent in the FPS of the game. If it's marginally the same, I'm going to upgrade the 5870 to a 570 GTX.

Now, my question is pertaining to OC's. I've OC'ed every GPU I've owned, but still consider myself an amateur.

Is buying an OC'ed 570 worth it? Or should I just grab a stock one at a lower price and OC it myself? Which I am totally capable of doing. Just trying to save a bit of coin.

Got like 125 bucks worth of Best Buy cards left over from Xmas, so just doing to get the GPU from Best Buy if need be and the CPU/Mobo from Newegg as I would usually.

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a c 181 U Graphics card
January 22, 2012 11:15:54 PM

It really depends on you if you want it OC'd all the time or do you want to play with it. You still can play with it OC'd. Nice up grade by the way and good luck to ya
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January 22, 2012 11:29:28 PM

Get one with a good cooler, such as one with the twinfrozr ii/iii cooler and oc it! Those also come pre oc'ed but have much more oc headroom because of their coolers.
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January 22, 2012 11:33:42 PM

DM186 said:
It really depends on you if you want it OC'd all the time or do you want to play with it. You still can play with it OC'd. Nice up grade by the way and good luck to ya


Thanks for the reply.

The way I do things now, is I run my PC pretty much solely when I play games, then put it on sleep mode or shut down when I'm not.

I use my laptop for internet surfing and the like, so it really doesn't matter to me to have it OC'ed all day... because I only use my PC to game and the rest of the time it's off/sleeping.

@Amuffin I've heard bad things about the MSI cards and interfacing with FXAA in Skyrim. Granted, I'm sure there are workarounds, but I'm not really looking to OC the absolute hell out of the card. I figured the MSI would just be overkill, but I may look into it if it's not too expensive. Just curious, if I get a 570, whether it'd be worth the extra 20-40 bucks to get the OC'ed version rather than just OC the stock one.
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January 22, 2012 11:46:34 PM

If you just use your PC for gameing get the OC'd version then that way you won't have to do it. You also can turn the card down if that is what you want.
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January 22, 2012 11:54:03 PM

DM186 said:
If you just use your PC for gameing get the OC'd version then that way you won't have to do it. You also can turn the card down if that is what you want.


Sounds good, I will do that.

Although, hopefully I won't even have to get the 570 if my 5870 fares better with the 2500k rather than my Phenom II BE.

I run Skyrim at an average of 30 FPS w/ HD texture packs and ini tweaks. I'd like to be in the 40-60 FPS range with some room to spare for more intense ini tweaks and more extensive mods.

Playing at Ultra, w/ no AA, 8x AF, and FXAA @ 1920x1080.

I've had to tweak the hell out of my current setup to get it to an acceptable level of graphical fidelity while still playing smooth. It's been fun, but I'd like something more powerful for the future as well.

I've always been an Nvidia fan at heart, but decided to go to ATI this time around. It's been a good card, but wanting to go back to Nvidia and side with the Intel CPU's.
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January 22, 2012 11:58:58 PM

the 570 has been out for a long time and nvidias next gen cards will be out soon. i cant see spending that much money on a card that will be outdated in a few months
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January 23, 2012 12:06:13 AM

deadlee690 said:
the 570 has been out for a long time and nvidias next gen cards will be out soon. i cant see spending that much money on a card that will be outdated in a few months


Right, and I don't plan on pulling the trigger on this one right this very minute.

But do you have any material to indicate what the new Nvidia gen will look like? If it's not that big of a jump, then I doubt it'll matter... or if the prices are absurd. I'll see if I can dig up any info on their future GPU's.

EDIT - Checked in on the Kepler stuff, looks interesting, and PCI-E 3.0 looks tempting. It's a good thing I've compartmentalized this, might be able to just live with the 2500k and new Mobo with my 5870 until I get a good look at the new GPU's.
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January 23, 2012 12:16:35 AM

deadlee690 said:
the 570 has been out for a long time and nvidias next gen cards will be out soon. i cant see spending that much money on a card that will be outdated in a few months



^ The new cards are coming out with high pricing. The 5xx series will still be good for some time to come like before when the 4xx series was out and we were waithing for the 5xx series and people today are still using the 4xx series.

@OP Ya wait and check out how the 5870. You will see some difference but not much. the GTX 680 is going to be the first to be released and it's price tag is going to be a little higher than the 580. With the new 28nm chip it is also coming out with more Vram.

Problem with Nvidia Kepler is that they are having issues with the 28nm chip and I would not be in a rush to go out and get one untill I know all the bugs are all out. Of course this is just my opinion.
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January 23, 2012 12:24:56 AM

Katana67 said:
So... I'm looking at a modest upgrade here.

Replacing my AMD Phenom II with an i5 2500k and also, (obviously) replacing the Mobo to an ASRock Gen 3 Z68. Going to recycle my RAM, HDD, and 1000w Thermaltake PSU.

I'm using an XFX 5870 as we speak, which isn't really cutting it for me with certain games (Skyrim).

As I was told a month or so ago when I began planning this, I'm going to try the new CPU/Mobo with my 5870 to see if it's the CPU making such a dent in the FPS of the game. If it's marginally the same, I'm going to upgrade the 5870 to a 570 GTX.

Now, my question is pertaining to OC's. I've OC'ed every GPU I've owned, but still consider myself an amateur.

Is buying an OC'ed 570 worth it? Or should I just grab a stock one at a lower price and OC it myself? Which I am totally capable of doing. Just trying to save a bit of coin.

Got like 125 bucks worth of Best Buy cards left over from Xmas, so just doing to get the GPU from Best Buy if need be and the CPU/Mobo from Newegg as I would usually.

I can tell you right now, your 5870 isnt what is cutting it short in skyrim, its most likely your CPU. I wouldnt warrant upgrading your gfx card right away until you see how the new system performs with the i5 2500K overclocked to 4.0 Ghz or so. If you find yourself still wanting more, the 570 is a good card, but you wont be " wowed" by the difference unless you are playing a game with heavy tesselation (5xxx series didnt have good tesselation support)
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January 23, 2012 12:26:05 AM

DM186 said:
^ The new cards are coming out with high pricing. The 5xx series will still be good for some time to come like before when the 4xx series was out and we were waithing for the 5xx series and people today are still using the 4xx series.

@OP Ya wait and check out how the 5870. You will see some difference but not much. the GTX 680 is going to be the first to be released and it's price tag is going to be a little higher than the 580. With the new 28nm chip it is also coming out with more Vram.

Problem with Nvidia Kepler is that they are having issues with the 28nm chip and I would not be in a rush to go out and get one untill I know all the bugs are all out. Of course this is just my opinion.


I agree, I'd try and snag something a little cheaper than the 580.

Looking at a price/spec chart on the Kepler thread here at Tom's, 680 is listed at 399 and the 670 is listed at 299. Chart appears to be copy and pasted from a legitimate source...

MODEL___SKU___SP___ROP__core_CCLK__SCLK___M__blend__TMU__bus__Mtype__Mcap___TDP____Price
GTX690_GK100__32_*_24_=_768__825/__1650/_4600__72____96__512__GDDR5/ 2.00GB_270W__499 U.S. dollars
GTX680_GK100__32_*_22_=_704__750/__1500/_4200__66____88__448__GDDR5/ 2.00GB_230W__399 U.S. dollars
GTX670_GK104__48_*_12_=_576__825/__1700/_4600__48____96__384__GDDR5/ 1.50GB_190W__299 dollars
GTX660_GK104__48_*_11_=_528__725/__1450/_4200__44____88__320__GDDR5/ 1.25GB_155W__229 U.S. dollars
GTX655_GK104__48_*_10_=_576__650/__1300/_4000__40____80__256__GDDR5/ 1.00GB_130W__189 U.S. dollars
GTS650_GK106__48_*_6__=_288__800/__1600/_4600__24____48__256__GDDR5/ 1.00GB_105W__149 dollars
GTS640_GK106__48_*_5__=_240__700/__1400/_4200__20____40__192__GDDR5/ 1.00GB__80W__119 U.S. dollars
GT630__GK108__48_*_3__=_144__750/__1500/_2000__12____24__128__GDDR3/ 1.00GB__60W__89 U.S. dollars
GT620__GK108__48_*_2__=_96___700/__1400/_2000___8____16__128__GDDR3/ 1.00GB__45W__69 U.S. dollars
GT610__GK108__48_*_1__=_48___700/__1400/_2000___4_____8___64__GDDR3/ 1.00GB__30W__59 U.S. dollars

If this is accurate, I may even opt for the 680. But the 670 looks fine enough to me. All depends on the reviews and benchmarks after release. I'd be waiting at least a month or two after release anyhow, so it's not a big deal.

I could live with an i5 2500K and 5870 for a while, which is why I'm glad I divided this upgrade up into two compartments (CPU/Mobo) and (GPU).

I think it'll work out, only hitch is that Best Buy'd have to be the one selling the GPU, as I've got quite a bit of store credit there.
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January 23, 2012 12:27:08 AM

FlintIronStagg said:
I can tell you right now, your 5870 isnt what is cutting it short in skyrim, its most likely your CPU. I wouldnt warrant upgrading your gfx card right away until you see how the new system performs with the i5 2500K overclocked to 4.0 Ghz or so


Right, that's what I planned to do. Going to get the 2500k and Mobo first, try it out with the 5870... see if I'm satisfied.

If not, going to wait for Kepler and snatch one.
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January 23, 2012 12:30:00 AM

Katana67 said:
Right, that's what I planned to do. Going to get the 2500k and Mobo first, try it out with the 5870... see if I'm satisfied.

If not, going to wait for Kepler and snatch one.

good plan of action; good luck on the build
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January 23, 2012 12:32:49 AM

Katana67 said:
I agree, I'd try and snag something a little cheaper than the 580.

Looking at a price/spec chart on the Kepler thread here at Tom's, 680 is listed at 399 and the 670 is listed at 299. Chart appears to be copy and pasted from a legitimate source...

MODEL___SKU___SP___ROP__core_CCLK__SCLK___M__blend__TMU__bus__Mtype__Mcap___TDP____Price
GTX690_GK100__32_*_24_=_768__825/__1650/_4600__72____96__512__GDDR5/ 2.00GB_270W__499 U.S. dollars
GTX680_GK100__32_*_22_=_704__750/__1500/_4200__66____88__448__GDDR5/ 2.00GB_230W__399 U.S. dollars
GTX670_GK104__48_*_12_=_576__825/__1700/_4600__48____96__384__GDDR5/ 1.50GB_190W__299 dollars
GTX660_GK104__48_*_11_=_528__725/__1450/_4200__44____88__320__GDDR5/ 1.25GB_155W__229 U.S. dollars
GTX655_GK104__48_*_10_=_576__650/__1300/_4000__40____80__256__GDDR5/ 1.00GB_130W__189 U.S. dollars
GTS650_GK106__48_*_6__=_288__800/__1600/_4600__24____48__256__GDDR5/ 1.00GB_105W__149 dollars
GTS640_GK106__48_*_5__=_240__700/__1400/_4200__20____40__192__GDDR5/ 1.00GB__80W__119 U.S. dollars
GT630__GK108__48_*_3__=_144__750/__1500/_2000__12____24__128__GDDR3/ 1.00GB__60W__89 U.S. dollars
GT620__GK108__48_*_2__=_96___700/__1400/_2000___8____16__128__GDDR3/ 1.00GB__45W__69 U.S. dollars
GT610__GK108__48_*_1__=_48___700/__1400/_2000___4_____8___64__GDDR3/ 1.00GB__30W__59 U.S. dollars

If this is accurate, I may even opt for the 680. But the 670 looks fine enough to me. All depends on the reviews and benchmarks after release. I'd be waiting at least a month or two after release anyhow, so it's not a big deal.

I could live with an i5 2500K and 5870 for a while, which is why I'm glad I divided this upgrade up into two compartments (CPU/Mobo) and (GPU).

I think it'll work out, only hitch is that Best Buy'd have to be the one selling the GPU, as I've got quite a bit of store credit there.



Can you give me the link to this. I was going off of a site that I googled. Those are some sweet prices. I hope these are resale prices and not whole sale. Hey thanks for showing that.
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January 23, 2012 12:36:15 AM

FlintIronStagg said:
good plan of action; good luck on the build


Thanks! Anybody have any word on Ivy Bridge? May wait for the 3570K instead of the 2500k, but I doubt it. Only concern is support for PCI-E 3.0.

Thread's become more of a futurist thread now!

Plan 1 -
Get i5 2500K, new Mobo, see if 5870 does the job... if not... get 570.

Plan 2 -
Get i5 2500K, new Mobo, see if 5870 does the job... if not... get Kepler.

Plan 3 -
Wait and get Ivy Bridge 3570K, new Mobo, and Kepler.

All depends on my budget, initial reviews, benchmarks, and bugginess the first go around.

Either way, I appreciate the advice y'all have given me.
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a c 181 U Graphics card
January 23, 2012 12:36:43 AM

If these are right prices then what is the deal with prices droping down on the 5xx series. These prices blow all the 5xx series prices to heck.
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January 23, 2012 12:38:08 AM

Katana67 said:
Thanks! Anybody have any word on Ivy Bridge? May wait for the 3570K instead of the 2500k, but I doubt it. Only concern is support for PCI-E 3.0.

Thread's become more of a futurist thread now!

Plan 1 -
Get i5 2500K, new Mobo, see if 5870 does the job... if not... get 570.

Plan 2 -
Get i5 2500K, new Mobo, see if 5870 does the job... if not... get Kepler.

Plan 3 -
Wait and get Ivy Bridge 3570K, new Mobo, and Kepler.

All depends on my budget, initial reviews, benchmarks, and bugginess the first go around.

Either way, I appreciate the advice y'all have given me.


Wait on that also you want 3rd Gen for the fucture
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January 23, 2012 12:38:35 AM

DM186 said:
Can you give me the link to this. I was going off of a site that I googled. Those are some sweet prices. I hope these are resale prices and not whole sale. Hey thanks for showing that.


http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/page-336587_33_150.ht...

That's the page that it was posted, and I think the link the OP referred to didn't really have a solid source. So I'd take this as a rumor, but if prices are even within a 100 bucks of these, I think that's reasonable either way.
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January 23, 2012 12:38:43 AM

Plan 2 fo sho
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January 23, 2012 12:42:00 AM

Katana67 said:
I agree, I'd try and snag something a little cheaper than the 580.
I think it'll work out, only hitch is that Best Buy'd have to be the one selling the GPU, as I've got quite a bit of store credit there.

A little word of advice on Best Buy. Their prices can be pretty outrageous, in general, but if you pay attention to the new Nvidia cards when they come out, you may find that Best Buy is cheaper at first. The reason is that Best Buy doesn't put much thought into their pricing and they stick with the manufacturer's suggested prices.... even months and years after the card has been released. But sometimes after a new card's debut, the prices will rise on other sites due to high demand/low supply, but the Best Buy price will stay the same. That's basically what happened when I bought my PNY GTX 580, it was by far cheaper than any other on Newegg, etc. Also, be sure to check out their low price guarantee and take advantage of better prices that you find elsewhere.
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January 23, 2012 12:45:12 AM

17seconds said:
A little word of advice on Best Buy. Their prices can be pretty outrageous, in general, but if you pay attention the new Nvidia cards when they come out, you may find that Best Buy is cheaper at first. The reason is that Best Buy doesn't put much thought into their pricing and they stick with the manufacturer's suggested prices.... even months and years after the card has been released. But sometimes after a new card's debut, the prices will rise on other sites due to high demand/low supply, but the Best Buy price will stay the same. That's basically what happened when I bought my PNY GTX 580, it was by far cheaper than any other on Newegg, etc. Also, be sure to check out their low price guarantee and take advantage of better prices that you find elsewhere.


Will keep that in mind, thanks. I normally go exclusively through Newegg. But I scored 125 bucks worth of Best Buy cards this Christmas and haven't the faintest idea of what to use it on. A new GPU seems appropriate, and 125 dollars off of my original budget for upgrade would be nice.
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January 23, 2012 12:46:19 AM

Katana67 said:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/page-336587_33_150.ht...

That's the page that it was posted, and I think the link the OP referred to didn't really have a solid source. So I'd take this as a rumor, but if prices are even within a 100 bucks of these, I think that's reasonable either way.


Ya I agree. It still throughs me. and thanks

@OP Ya do a good cleaning of your system with what you want and if the prices for the Kepler is rite on I would wait for it. The 680 the same price as a 570, that is just to good to be true. It looks like I have to rethink my rig.
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January 23, 2012 12:58:33 AM

Just going to have to play it by ear regarding the Ivy Bridge/Kepler releases.

i7 3770K
Nvidia GTX 670
Z75 Mobo
10k RPM WD 150 GB HDD (Already in use)
8GB GSKILL 1600 DDR3 (Already in use)
1000w Thermaltake PSU (Already in use)
Zalman CPU Cooler Fan (Already in use)
Coolermaster Centurion Case (Already in use)

Could be done for around $600 when Best Buy giftcards are taken into account.
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January 23, 2012 1:01:42 AM

Dunno, havent seen prices yet
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January 23, 2012 1:04:34 AM

FlintIronStagg said:
Dunno, havent seen prices yet


Right, I posted a list from the Kepler thread here. It's rumor, but just going off of that. I'd add 100 bucks to those prices to be safe. Ivy Bridge prices are essentially the same as Sandy Bridge as well. So 600-700 bucks for the GPU, CPU, Mobo combinations I'm looking at.

But yeah, will have to wait and see.
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January 23, 2012 4:01:21 AM

DM186 said:
Ya I agree. It still throughs me. and thanks

@OP Ya do a good cleaning of your system with what you want and if the prices for the Kepler is rite on I would wait for it. The 680 the same price as a 570, that is just to good to be true. It looks like I have to rethink my rig.


really??? what was the 570's launch price?
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January 23, 2012 7:33:56 PM

total newb said:
really??? what was the 570's launch price?


Is this a trick question? Why does it matter what the 570's launch price was? I can't remember two day's ago let alone a long time ago. Don't take it the wrong way.

I just don't think it has anything to do with the launch price of the Kepler or today's priceing for the 570 which go's on avg around 340 dollars. Just my opinion.
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February 3, 2012 8:34:32 PM

Katana67 said:
So... I'm looking at a modest upgrade here.

Replacing my AMD Phenom II with an i5 2500k and also, (obviously) replacing the Mobo to an ASRock Gen 3 Z68. Going to recycle my RAM, HDD, and 1000w Thermaltake PSU.

I'm using an XFX 5870 as we speak, which isn't really cutting it for me with certain games (Skyrim).

As I was told a month or so ago when I began planning this, I'm going to try the new CPU/Mobo with my 5870 to see if it's the CPU making such a dent in the FPS of the game. If it's marginally the same, I'm going to upgrade the 5870 to a 570 GTX.

Now, my question is pertaining to OC's. I've OC'ed every GPU I've owned, but still consider myself an amateur.

Is buying an OC'ed 570 worth it? Or should I just grab a stock one at a lower price and OC it myself? Which I am totally capable of doing. Just trying to save a bit of coin.

Got like 125 bucks worth of Best Buy cards left over from Xmas, so just doing to get the GPU from Best Buy if need be and the CPU/Mobo from Newegg as I would usually.



So here's what I ended up doing.

I bought a 2500K and Mobo from Bestbuy, ended up being around 300 bucks with my gift cards. Going to try my 5870, I think it'll be more than satisfactory once I get everything OC'ed and tweaked the way I want it. If it isn't, I'll think about getting a new Nvidia card in the coming months.
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February 3, 2012 10:00:41 PM

You will love the performance. Good luck on the.rest.of your build
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February 4, 2012 2:04:52 AM

If you do decide to get a new card, then (provided you really want to OC) DO NOT get the 570, too many ghost stories of cards totally dying from slight OC's, I'm very comfortable at my stock 570
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