2nd RFD: rec.photo.equipment.sigma

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REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
unmoderated group rec.photo.equipment.sigma

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of
the unmoderated Usenet newsgroup rec.photo.equipment.sigma. This
is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
Procedural details are below.

Newsgroup line:
rec.photo.equipment.sigma Sigma photography equipment.

CHANGES FROM FIRST RFD:

1) Newsgroup line has been changed.
2) RATIONALE has been changed.
3) Ban on *all* advertising has been added to charter.

RATIONALE: rec.photo.equipment.sigma

The objective of this proposal is to create a newgroup for specialized
discussions of Sigma photography equipment. Sigma owners and future
owners would greatly benefit from having access to an isolated
newsgroup that is not dominated by Canon and Nikon users. If
created, RPES will cater to both digital and film shooters under
the same umbrella, which is useful because Sigma digital and 35mm
camera bodies share a common SA* lens mount and they use the same
accessories.

CHARTER: rec.photo.equipment.sigma

The group rec.photo.equipment.sigma is for the discussion of Sigma
digital and film photography equipment. Advertisements are not
permitted. Binary files other than digital signatures or X-Faces
are not permitted.

END CHARTER.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this
phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period
will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first
RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after
which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker
if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to vote until
this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and
"How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal". Please refer to
these documents if you have any questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
rec.photo.digital
rec.photo.equipment.35mm
rec.photo.digital.slr-systems

Proponent: Sarah Molly <gy5u-mgxh@dea.spamcon.org>

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Sarah Molly <gy5u-mgxh@dea.spamcon.org> wrote in
news:1118693946.12252@isc.org:

> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> unmoderated group rec.photo.equipment.sigma
>
> This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of
> the unmoderated Usenet newsgroup rec.photo.equipment.sigma. This
> is not a Call for Votes (CFV); you cannot vote at this time.
> Procedural details are below.
>
> Newsgroup line:
> rec.photo.equipment.sigma Sigma photography equipment.
>
> CHANGES FROM FIRST RFD:
>
> 1) Newsgroup line has been changed.
> 2) RATIONALE has been changed.
> 3) Ban on *all* advertising has been added to charter.
>
> RATIONALE: rec.photo.equipment.sigma
>
> The objective of this proposal is to create a newgroup for
> specialized discussions of Sigma photography equipment. Sigma
> owners and future owners would greatly benefit from having access
> to an isolated newsgroup that is not dominated by Canon and Nikon
> users. If created, RPES will cater to both digital and film
> shooters under the same umbrella, which is useful because Sigma
> digital and 35mm camera bodies share a common SA* lens mount and
> they use the same accessories.
>
> CHARTER: rec.photo.equipment.sigma
>
> The group rec.photo.equipment.sigma is for the discussion of Sigma
> digital and film photography equipment. Advertisements are not
> permitted. Binary files other than digital signatures or X-Faces
> are not permitted.
>
> END CHARTER.
>
> PROCEDURE:
>
> This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes. In this
> phase of the process, any potential problems with the proposed
> newsgroups should be raised and resolved. The discussion period
> will continue for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the
> first RFD for this proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups),
> after which a Call For Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote
> taker if the discussion warrants it. Please do not attempt to
> vote until this happens.
>
> All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.
>
> This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup
> creation guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet
> Newsgroup" and "How to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal".
> Please refer to these documents if you have any questions about
> the process.
>
> DISTRIBUTION:
>
> This RFD has been posted to:
>
> news.announce.newgroups
> news.groups
> rec.photo.digital
> rec.photo.equipment.35mm
> rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
>
> Proponent: Sarah Molly <gy5u-mgxh@dea.spamcon.org>

I really can't see this proposal getting enough legitimate votes to
pass, but more unusual things have happened before. I will abstain; I
don't own anything made by Sigma, and I probably never will unless
Sigma buys Nikon.

--

Bill

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"Sarah Molly" <gy5u-mgxh@dea.spamcon.org> wrote in message
news:1118693946.12252@isc.org...
> REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
> unmoderated group rec.photo.equipment.sigma
>
..
..
..
>
> Proponent: Sarah Molly <gy5u-mgxh@dea.spamcon.org>

Irrelevant, unneccesary, and most importantly redundant.

Opponent: Greg Thomas getnews1@dslextreme.com

Greg

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FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
unmoderated group rec.photo.equipment.sigma

Newsgroups line:
rec.photo.equipment.sigma Sigma photography equipment.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 5 Sep 2005.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about
the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Sarah Molly <gy5u-mgxh@dea.spamcon.org>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <bill@netagw.com>

RATIONALE: rec.photo.equipment.sigma

The objective of this proposal is to create a newgroup for specialized
discussions of Sigma photography equipment. Sigma owners and future
owners would greatly benefit from having access to an isolated
newsgroup that is not dominated by Canon and Nikon users. If
created, RPES will cater to both digital and film shooters under
the same umbrella, which is useful because Sigma digital and 35mm
camera bodies share a common SA* lens mount and they use the same
accessories.

CHARTER: rec.photo.equipment.sigma

The group rec.photo.equipment.sigma is for the discussion of Sigma
digital and film photography equipment. Advertisements are not
permitted. Binary files other than digital signatures or X-Faces
are not permitted.

END CHARTER.

HOW TO VOTE:

In order to vote on this proposal you will first need to request a registered
ballot. This is accomplished by sending an email to the address specified
below from the email account that you intend to use when you submit the ballot
for processing. The Subject: and body of the message does not matter. They
can both be blank (preferred) if your software will allow that.

PLEASE, do not send this entire message back to me as this mail is archived.

Mail your ballot request to: <sigma-ballot@netagw.com>
Just "replying" to this message should work, but check the "To:" line.

When your email message is received, a reply message will be sent to you with
further instructions regarding how to vote. You will also receive a copy of
the CFV which will contain a ballot that is registered for use only for this
CFV, and only when submitted from the exact same address that originally
requested it.

IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:

Standard Guidelines for voting apply. Only one vote per person, no
more than one vote per account. Votes must be mailed directly from
the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded, or proxy votes
are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW/HTML/CGI forms are considered
to be anonymous votes.

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mean that your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an
acknowledgment of your vote within three days, contact the votetaker
about the problem. It's your responsibility to make sure your vote
is registered correctly. Duplicate votes are resolved in favor of
the most recent valid vote. Names, addresses, and votes of all voters
will be published in the final voting RESULT posting.

DO NOT redistribute this CFV in any manner whatsoever. The purpose of
a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons who would
read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested parties
defeats this purpose. Only the votetaker, the news.announce.newgroups
moderator, and the proponent (if specifically authorized by the votetaker)
are permitted to distribute copies of this CFV.

Distribution of pre-marked or otherwise modified copies of this CFV is
generally considered voting fraud and should be reported immediately to
the votetaker or the UVV <contact@uvv.org>. In cases where voting fraud
is determined to have occurred, it is standard operating procedure to
delete ALL votes submitted by the violator. When in doubt, ask the
votetaker.

DISTRIBUTION:

The only official sources for copies of this CFV are the locations listed
below, the UVV web site at http://www.uvv.org/, and the votetaker's e-mail
CFV server which can be reached at <sigma-cfv-request@netagw.com>.

This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups
news.groups
rec.photo.digital
rec.photo.digital.slr-systems
rec.photo.equipment.35mm

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bill@netagw.com (Bill Aten) wrote in news:1126625928.29970@isc.org:

> RESULT
> unmoderated group rec.photo.equipment.sigma fails 9:28

Excellent result. :-)

--

Bill

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RESULT
unmoderated group rec.photo.equipment.sigma fails 9:28

Voting closed at 23:59:59 UTC, 5 Sep 2005.

This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. Questions about the
proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Sarah Molly <gy5u-mgxh@dea.spamcon.org>
Votetaker: Bill Aten <bill@netagw.com>

There were 37 valid YES/NO votes submitted during the voting period. Each
proposed newsgroup, in order to pass, must have at least 2/3 YES votes and at
least 100 more YES than NO votes. The results are as follows:

rec.photo.equipment.sigma results - 37 valid (YES & NO) votes

Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
9 28 : No No : No : rec.photo.equipment.sigma
5 abstaining votes

The proposal failed.

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted.
Unless serious and significant allegations of voting irregularities are
raised, the proposal may not be voted on again for six months.

The remainder of the RESULT contains:
Newsgroups Line
Rationale
Charter
Ballot Submission Irregularities
Final Voting Acknowledgements

NEWSGROUPS LINE:
rec.photo.equipment.sigma Sigma photography equipment.

RATIONALE: rec.photo.equipment.sigma

The objective of this proposal is to create a newgroup for specialized
discussions of Sigma photography equipment. Sigma owners and future
owners would greatly benefit from having access to an isolated
newsgroup that is not dominated by Canon and Nikon users. If
created, RPES will cater to both digital and film shooters under
the same umbrella, which is useful because Sigma digital and 35mm
camera bodies share a common SA* lens mount and they use the same
accessories.

CHARTER: rec.photo.equipment.sigma

The group rec.photo.equipment.sigma is for the discussion of Sigma
digital and film photography equipment. Advertisements are not
permitted. Binary files other than digital signatures or X-Faces
are not permitted.

END CHARTER.

BALLOT SUBMISSION IRREGULARITIES:

Ballots invalidated: 3

3 - Anonymous vote - true source of vote anonymised

(Note: Anonymous voters were notified of the problem and reminded that
they could request a new ballot using a different email address)

FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS:

rec.photo.equipment.sigma - Final Voter List

NOTE: This is not [to be used as] a mailing list. The email addresses
are provided only to help verify the validity of the interest poll.

Voted YES
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bouvin/daimi$au?kd Niels Olof Bouvin
deepgeek#bestweb'nte Scotty Fitzgerald
devnull|vianet*ac Trevor Tymchuk
frank'fsheff$cmo Frank ess
michel/baron$videotron#ac Michel Baron
nicolesgrumpy^aol/cmo Douglas O'Brien
pan?syix#cmo Pan
simon'darkmere*gen%zn Simon Lyall
ymulakaj#yahoo*rf Yves Mulakaj

Voted NO
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alan=browne*videotron~ac Alan Browne
bmailman#sfo$cmo Brian Mailman
bwr607/hotmail*cmo Woodchuck Bill
cnw+usenet$pobox'cmo Neil Woods
david-taylor$blueyonder!co!ku David J Taylor
fort514|mac*cmo Charles
gburnore#databasix%cmo Gary L. Burnore
gprrspw|mindspring%cmo G.P. Ryan
hezu=iki#if Heikki Kantola
jdunn'volcano^nte John Dunn
kowallek#iglou*cmo Dennis Kowallek
mikael/segercrantz%pp1#inet?if Mikael Segercrantz
mirwin/fas$harvard%eud Mark Irwin
patrick|texier*niof Patrick Texier
patrick_mailinglists|d26%nte pmp
pete=fenelon$cmo Pete Fenelon
phil=rahul$nte Phil Gustafson
pjr?pjr-online*fsnet|co!ku Peter J Ross
psmyth/gmx$nte Peter Smyth
rpe-sigmavote^billmail#scconsult#cmo Bill Cole
ru!igarashi*usask/ac ru igarashi
sigma-ballot$hnareid|me!ku Helge Nareid
stainles#realtime/nte Dwight Brown
stephen|stevedunn/ac Steve Dunn
tingrinfan$comcast%nte Sam Seiber
vm9p8lm02~sneakemail|cmo David Harmon
vpdura/hiwaay^nte Vic Dura
wwfiv'comcast^nte William W. Farley IV

Voted ABSTAIN
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aahz=pobox$cmo Aahz
ceri=submonkey*nte Ceri Davies
mbeaudoin~scintrextrace!cmo Marcel Beaudoin
mmontcha#oregonvos%nte Matthew Montchalin
van?ette#inter*nl/nte Robert-Jan van Ette

--
Bill Aten, UVV <bill@netagw.com>