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April 1, 2012 4:11:17 AM

I have the..
ASUS sabertooth 990fx
amd fx 4100 (3.7ghz)
MSI gtx 560ti hawk Twin Frozr III

Im upgrading my 650psu to 850psu and going to the amd fx 8120 and gettting another video card but after some research I've found some claiming that amd only supports Dx10 when u SLI and Dx11 when you have one Nvidia card...card wise should i go with either two new MSI 7850's or get another of the same card and hope it works :pt1cable:  or from where im at how should i upgrade this without paying too much? SUGGESTIONS APPRECIATED
AMD fx 4100 (3.7ghz)
Coolermaster HAF 912
Coolermaster hyper 212 evo
WD 1.5TB 7200 rpm (6.0gb/s)
MSI GTX560 ti hawk Twin Frozr III
ASUS Sabertooth 990fx
12 GB vengence Corsair (1600mhz)
Corsair 650tx v2

Again I plan to get these...
psu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
cpu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or get...
psu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
cpu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
2x of these http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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a c 78 B Homebuilt system
April 1, 2012 4:54:40 AM

I am a huge proponent of having 1 large video card instead of 2 smaller ones.

If you want to have more video power, I would just buy one big card and then ebay the one you already have to get back 80% to 90% of whatever you spent on it (most likely).

I could list a lot of reasons why I believe this is the best route to go, but I will save that in case you just trust me and I don't need to get into it.

The best part about going this route is that you don't need a different PSU. A Corsair TX 650w can do anything up to and including a 7970 just fine.
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April 1, 2012 5:57:07 AM

The part about direct x 10 if you sli, and Nvidia for direct x 11 is crap. If the card(s) support direct x 11, and you're running win 7 you get direct x 11. If they are direct x 10 cards..you get direct x 10. It doesnt matter if its AMD or Nvidia..If you have win xp, the best thats supported is direct x 9, even if your card is direct x 11
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April 1, 2012 6:38:07 AM

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April 1, 2012 6:40:34 AM

Raiddinn said:
I am a huge proponent of having 1 large video card instead of 2 smaller ones.

If you want to have more video power, I would just buy one big card and then ebay the one you already have to get back 80% to 90% of whatever you spent on it (most likely).

I could list a lot of reasons why I believe this is the best route to go, but I will save that in case you just trust me and I don't need to get into it.

The best part about going this route is that you don't need a different PSU. A Corsair TX 650w can do anything up to and including a 7970 just fine.



I agree with everything he just said. A single card is the way to go. Furthermore, i don't think you're going to see much of an increase, in terms of gaming, between the two CPU's for a little while.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx-8150--8120-6100-an...

It's your money, but I think you could probable skip the CPU and PSU, go with an AMD 7970, 7950 or Nvidia GTX 680, and be very happy!

What games are you planning on playing and what monitor(s) are you using?
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April 1, 2012 7:02:26 PM

BF3 Skyrim Steam Games and GTA IV with enhancermods and a HP 2311x 23" LED Monitor but Im going to listen to you guys although i feel even though the gpu and cpu are both amd that my cpu wiill bottleneck my gpu and that cpu was only 450 when i bought it so not using it isnt a waste of money and who doesnt want 8 cores?
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a c 78 B Homebuilt system
April 1, 2012 8:33:59 PM

If you already bought the FX 8120 then you might as well use it.

If you have the FX 4100 and you are thinking about the FX 8120 but haven't bought it yet, then I would say don't do it.

If you go around looking up benchmarks like FX 4100 + HD 6850 vs FX 8120 + HD 6850 then you will see that you don't get more FPS from the extra 4 cores in almost any game.

Most games you don't even get more FPS moving from 2 cores to 4. More and more games are seeing FPS increases with 4 cores instead of 2, but the vast majority of games still just use 2 cores to ensure people with only 2 cores can play them.

Also, the FX 4100 can OC higher than the FX 8120 in per core speed, so the FX 4100 is potentially a faster gaming processor than the FX 8120 is.

Don't get me wrong, if you are doing video editing or something it is awesome to have 8 cores, but just not for gaming. I don't think there is a single game on the market that will touch the 5th through the 8th core at all.

Anyway, the difference in gaming between the 4100 and 8120 isn't much and the 8120 is better at everything else except gaming, so you might as well use that if you have it.

If not, just buy something else to improve things instead, like a GTX 680.

The difference between 4100 and 8120 is microscopic compared to the difference between 560 TI and 680.
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April 1, 2012 8:55:01 PM

Raiddinn said:
If you already bought the FX 8120 then you might as well use it.

If you have the FX 4100 and you are thinking about the FX 8120 but haven't bought it yet, then I would say don't do it.

If you go around looking up benchmarks like FX 4100 + HD 6850 vs FX 8120 + HD 6850 then you will see that you don't get more FPS from the extra 4 cores in almost any game.

Most games you don't even get more FPS moving from 2 cores to 4. More and more games are seeing FPS increases with 4 cores instead of 2, but the vast majority of games still just use 2 cores to ensure people with only 2 cores can play them.

Also, the FX 4100 can OC higher than the FX 8120 in per core speed, so the FX 4100 is potentially a faster gaming processor than the FX 8120 is.

Don't get me wrong, if you are doing video editing or something it is awesome to have 8 cores, but just not for gaming. I don't think there is a single game on the market that will touch the 5th through the 8th core at all.

Anyway, the difference in gaming between the 4100 and 8120 isn't much and the 8120 is better at everything else except gaming, so you might as well use that if you have it.

If not, just buy something else to improve things instead, like a GTX 680.

The difference between 4100 and 8120 is microscopic compared to the difference between 560 TI and 680.


I also forgot to tell you that i plan on running fraps and also run some Sony Vegas 11 video editing software so all in all should i still stay where I'm at or if i upgrade my card should i also use a little extra and get a SSD?
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April 1, 2012 9:02:48 PM

DEH_HAMBURGLAR I completely understand what you're saying about the CPU upgrade and going to 8 cores. It seems like it's an upgrade you want to make, and it is an upgrade, so I'm not going to try and talk you out of it.

In regards to the GPU, I've heard a lot of people talking about the benefits of using AMD components with AMD components, but have not seen anything to really back it up numbers-wise. It's just a matter of preference really, and you seem to like AMD. The 7950 or 7970 would be a fantastic upgrade, or even a 7850 like g-unit suggested! I do agree with Raiddinn though, that a single GPU is more desirable than multiple GPU's that together equal a greater. You completely sidestep the issues that do occasionally come into play with Crossfire/SLI configurations, and it's almost always the most efficient way to go in terms of power.
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a c 78 B Homebuilt system
April 1, 2012 9:21:54 PM

I don't know how FRAPS and Sony Vegas are impacted by additional cores, so you might want to research and see if they can use more than 4 cores. If so, more power to you by going up to 8 cores.

Also, if you want to get a 128 GB Crucial M4 SSD, go ahead, they are great. I wouldn't go with a smaller one or bother trying to get a better price/GB by taking a worse brand, though.
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