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April 1, 2012 12:24:53 PM

New gaming build, open to scrutiny.
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Approximate Purchase Date: Within 12 hours or less.
Budget Range: Approximately $1500; could go beyond that but trying to build one that is cost-efficient as well
System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Home theater, Video/Audio recording/editing, typical usage.
Parts Not Required: N/A, building from scratch
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com, amazon.com or a cheaper (reliable) site that's available
Country of Origin: US
Overclocking: Most likely, after system is broken in.
SLI or Crossfire: Maybe
Monitor Resolution: Full HD? 1920x????
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[Case] $59.99+4.99 S&H=$64.98
COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Original Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Advanced RC-932-KKN5-GP $139.99-$10.00 promo code=$129.99 (+$20.00 MIR)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

[Motherboard] $121.99+$7.87 S&H= $129.86
ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

[Processor] $219.99-$15.00 promo code=$204.99
Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I52500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$229.99 -Intel Core i5-2550K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Without IGP BX80623i52550K Not worth it, 0.1 GHz difference w/o IGP

[Memory] $46.99 (8GB)
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

[PSU] $114.99 (+$25.00 MIR)
XFX Core Edition PRO750W (P1-750S-NLB9) 750W ATX12V 2.2 & ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Original PSU: $149.99 (-$20 rebate=$129.99)//$138.98 @amazon CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 (CMPSU-750HX) 750W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Professional-750-Watt-Cer...

[Graphics Card] $359.99
Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHZ OC 2 GB DDR5 HDMI/DVI-I/Dual Mini DP PCI-Express Graphics Card 11199-03-20G
http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graph...
Original Graphics Card: $214.99 (x2?) (Refurbished) MSI N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

[SSD-Boot Drive] $155.91
Crucial 128 GB m4 2.5-Inch Solid State Drive SATA 6Gb/s CT128M4SSD2
http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-2-5-Inch-Solid-State-CT12...

REMOVED MOUNT/NEW CASE CAN ACCOMMODATE 2.5"
[Mounting Bracket 2.5"-3.5"] $4.99+1.99 S&H=$6.98
Rosewill RX-C200P 2.5" SSD / HDD Plastic Mounting Kit for 3.5" Drive Bay

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

[HDD Data] $84.99-$5.00 promo code = $79.99
Samsung by Seagate Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ/ST500DM005 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Original HDD:$136.08 Western Digital Caviar Black 1 TB SATA III 7200 RPM 64 MB Cache Internal Desktop Hard Drive Bulk/OEM - WD1002FAEX
http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Caviar-Internal-D...

[CD/DVD-RW Drive] $19.99
Asus 24xDVD±RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive DRW-24B1ST (Black)
http://www.amazon.com/Asus-24xDVD±RW-Serial-Internal-DRW-24B1ST/dp/B0033Z2BAQ/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1333271576&sr=1-2

[Internal Card Reader] $14.99
Sony MRW620/U1/181 Internal 17 in 1 Memory Card Reader/Writer
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MRW620-U1-181-Internal/dp/B0...

[Cooling] $34.64
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler (RR-212E-20PK-R2)
Original Cooling: $22.99-Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler, RR-B10-212P-G1
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-Sleeve-RR-B10...

[Monitor] $174.99-$15.00 promo code=$159.99 (+$10.00 MIR)
Asus VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED Backlight LCD Monitor w/Speakers 250 cd/m2 ASCR 50,000,000:1
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

[[Other]]
[Thermal Compound] $11.34
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound 3.5 Grams with ArctiClean 60 ML Kit
http://www.amazon.com/Arctic-Silver-Thermal-Compound-Ar...

[Cables] $3.95ea
OKGEAR SUPER FAST 6GB/S OK18A3RK12 , 18 inch SATA 3.0 round cable, RIGHT ANGLE to straight w/ metal latch,black color
http://www.amazon.com/OKGEAR-SUPER-OK18A3RK12-round-str...

[UPS/Surge Protector] $49.99
APC Back-UPS ES BE550G 550 VA 330 Watts (4) NEMA 5-15R (Battery Backup) (4) NEMA 5-15R (Surge Protection) Outlets UPS
http://www.amazon.com/APC-BE550G-Back-UPS-Outlet-550VA/...

[OS] $139.99-$12.60 promo code=$127.39
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

[Wireless Router] $34.99
Linksys E2500-RM Advanced Simultaneous Dual-Band Wireless-N Router IEEE 802.11a/b/g/n, IEEE 802.3/3u
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

[Case Fans]
Will add 140mm/200mm after all changes have been made with the main components.

[Misc] $6.99 (free S&H via supersaver)
Velcro Reusable Self-Gripping Cable Ties, 0.5 Inches x 8 Inches Long, Black, 100 Ties per Pack (91140)
http://www.amazon.com/Velcro-Reusable-Self-Gripping-Inc...

Grand Total: $1,632.26

any pointers? any issues with this build? much appreciated :pt1cable: 

*Updated items/prices*

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April 1, 2012 2:56:58 PM

Case is overkill. The HAF 912 is good enough for most anybody and costs half that.

8GBs of RAM is good enough. Games can't use more than 2 GBs and most people don't run more than one at the same time.

PSU, I would get an XFX instead. It makes things a lot simpler.

Mounting bracket - you don't really need this.

Hard Drive - You might be better off just getting a 500 GB for like $80 now and buying a second one later to make up the difference. Hard drive prices are extremely high because of natural disasters in Asia. I wouldn't buy more hard drive than I absolutely had to right now because of that. The price per gigabyte of storage is like 4x what it used to be right now.

Card reader - do you really need this? I haven't seen anyone outside of government employees wanting these things.

UPS - It doesn't really matter, I use an APC one that I got for $70 on ebay.

Wireless router - You might want to reconsider using wireless. It has a huge performance reduction as compared to using a hard line. If at all possible, online gamers should be using hard lines because of how important it is to maintain a stable connection.

Video card - I saved this for last because you can take all the budget I cut out from above and apply it to here.

Honestly, the 560 TI is good, but the newer stuff from current generation products is more worth it to get right now IMHO.

The 7870 is like 100 over a 560 TI and its a lot better than it. Most of that $100 should be saved by the above changes I suggested, so it shouldn't cost you too much to move up to that card from your current grand total.

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April 1, 2012 8:47:11 PM

Case - HAF 912 is a mid tower, will I have problems installing the fan I selected? Will I have enough room?
COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $59.99+4.99 S&H
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM - Overall cost was calculated with 8GB memory

PSU - Is this enough juice? In what way is the XFX PSU better and how does it make it "simpler"?
XFX Core Edition PRO750W (P1-750S-NLB9) 750W ATX12V 2.2 & ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply - $114.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Data HDD - As for HDDs the cheapest one I could find was the Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - $85.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I am still very skeptical of Seagate products from prior experience with them, and the 1TB is actually $0.05 cheaper per GB.

Card Reader - I don't actually really need it as I do my work on a laptop but it was just an afterthought

UPS - Need to know how long it could hold out; those load calculators confuse me.

Wireless Router - My rig will be hardwired, the wireless is just for my other devices i.e. my laptop and phone. Pretty crappy router but it'll do I guess.

Video Card - Sapphire Radeon HD 7870 GHZ OC 2 GB DDR5 HDMI/DVI-I/Dual Mini DP PCI-Express Graphics Card 11199-03-20G - $359.99
http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graph...

Any other suggestions?
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April 1, 2012 9:17:47 PM

Mind you I don't have a HAF 912 + Hyper 212 combo so that I can put the two things together to see if they fit, however, I can tell you that I have never heard of a case the Hyper 212 doesn't fit in.

If it doesn't fit, you can sell the case on ebay and I will give you whatever you don't get back out of the original cost.

PSU - There are only two brands where you don't have to ever research a PSU to know if it is high quality or not. XFX is one of them and the second one is Seasonic (which makes all the PSUs on behalf of XFX).

Seasonic makes PSUs on behalf of many companies like Antec and Corsair too, but both of those companies use other companies than Seasonic to make some of their PSUs.

You can research and see if whatever PSU is made by Seasonic, or you can just get XFX and know it is made by Seasonic.

All other makers of PSUs at 850w or less are worse than Seasonic. Both Antec and Corsair have some models that are pretty horrible, so you wouldn't want to end up with one of those which might happen if you just trusted their brand names.

Anyway, there is no wondering and no research if you just take XFX.

Hard Drives - Yes the larger one is cheaper per gigabyte, but for any size hard drive you are paying 3x to 4x per gigabyte more than you should be. Would you rather pay 3x per gigabyte too much on a smaller or a larger gigabyte total? I would suggest the smaller total.

UPS - If you are gaming, you will have about 5 minutes. If you are regularly using Windows or surfing the internet about 15. These things are made for 2 purposes:

1) To let you shut down the regular way, so components are not damaged by unexpected power loss.

2) To make sure you don't notice small outages, like 1 or 2 minutes.

They aren't built to help you play through 8 hours of power outage or something like that.

Also, plugging 1 ups into another ups (which would allow a longer time period of uptime after power outages) does bad things to the ups internals and its not recommended. The only way to get more uptime safely is just to buy an UPS with a whole lot bigger batteries. They are obviously much more expensive.
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April 1, 2012 9:48:46 PM

Case - Awesome, wasn't too sure because I read somewhere that people were having trouble installing the (slightly larger) fan into mid tower.

PSU - That's some good reasoning and I don't really have any criteria rather than performance.

Data HDD - Samsung by Seagate Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ/ST500DM005 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - $84.99-$5.00 promo code = $79.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

UPS - I understand what an UPS is used for, but I need to know how much of a load I can put on the UPS vs how long I have. All the calculators I've used require at least 800VA to 1200VA UPS, pricey. I think the calculators are a bit inaccurate but they were all configured using ~600W load with around 3-4 minutes. Now the load the computer and peripherals is putting out isn't exact but I figure even with everything it should be around 600W (unless I play an intensive game).

You've got me sold on the case, PSU, and HDD. The only other things I would consider buying would be case fans. Probably a 140mm and a 200mm.
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April 1, 2012 10:09:08 PM

Thanks for the heads up :D 
I was just about to buy it but realized I couldn't lol. In-store only, booo. Wish I had a Microcenter nearby, thanks anyways

Grand Total is currently $1,542.29 that's with all the changes
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April 1, 2012 10:15:50 PM

As another fun suggestion why are you buying a new wireless router if you are going to be wiring your desktop to your current router?

If you are wanting to go wireless why not just by a pci or pcie x1 wireless card? They are less expensive and unless you are needing a very large range all you are gaining with a second router is a second hardware firewall.

I like using the UPS as it also tends to offer cleaner power than all but the very best surge protectors which are comparable.

Card readers are dirt cheap and offer a couple of extra easily accessible usb ports on the front, and are handy if you have a digital camera, smart phone and some other data devices. Its not needed but for $20 or less why not have it and be able to read a card without having to dig out a mini usb to usb cord or firewire to usb cord and have two devices running?

Seagate http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml... sata 3 hard drive same price 6.0 gbs transfer rate.
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April 1, 2012 10:21:21 PM

Yea i agree with raiddinn, after reading alot of reviews and looking for components for my build i have to agree, u just need 8gb for now, no point going over it, and i would totaly go 2500k instead of the 2550k, basicly the same, and the 2500k is cheaper giving u some money to put elsewhere / your pocket ..

Also as the case goes the 912 is indeed half of that price BUT ur the one that has to live with it, if you do want the 932 go for it, basicly, save some in the ram, hdd , cpu , rethink psu (if u really need such a strong one $$) and if u can/want go for a stronger gpu, god knows the games are more demanding than never
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April 1, 2012 10:23:15 PM

@Maxor1: Currently my laptop is hooked up straight to the modem. When I get this rig, my computer will be hardwired into the router and all my other devices will be wireless.
Very true about that 2nd router though.

I need to know what VA rating UPS I need to get for my new rig... any takers on these forums?

I might just include the card reader depending on how much it turns out to be. So far this build has been good on my wallet.

I'm afraid that I just don't trust Seagate Barracudas, I've had so many die on me it's ridiculous but that's just me anyways.

@GambitPT: Yup totally agree with the 2500K/8GB. 0.1 GHz isn't really worth it, and 16GB was me being overcautious.

As for the case, I really think the 932 looks better but I personally prefer the mid tower size (better for storage/moving). However I will sacrifice aesthetics for practicality i.e. I'd rather have it easier to build/modify than have a piece of Tron in my room.
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April 1, 2012 10:25:22 PM

grr I hate that I forget to check because most of it is available online and I do have one near me.... let me check amazon and tiger direct not seeing much there to save you I find a couple for a bit less but not reliable.
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April 1, 2012 10:47:12 PM

Most computers don't use anywhere near 600w even at load.

That 3 - 4 min is more like 5, as I was saying. That is at load. More like 15 if not at load.

I wouldn't worry too much about getting a super awesome one. All it needs to do is tide you over till you can shut down correctly. That doesn't take 15 minutes no matter what you are doing.

Also, its good to plug the UPS into the wall and a surge protector into the UPS, and the computer into the surge protector. I would definitely suggest you do that if you have an UPS and most definitely don't do it in any other configuration because it could do more harm than good.

If you don't trust Seagate, just get Western Digital instead. I have had success with Seagate for the most part, so I don't mind them myself.
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April 1, 2012 11:00:42 PM

@Raiddinn: That's exactly the info I needed, thanks. I'll probably stick with a APC 550VA/330W UPS and call it a day.
APC Back-UPS ES BE550G 550 VA 330 Watts (4) NEMA 5-15R (Battery Backup) (4) NEMA 5-15R (Surge Protection) Outlets UPS-$67.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Got a Spinpoint instead, although they are manufactured by Seagate I haven't had any problems with Spinpoints.
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April 1, 2012 11:23:19 PM

Only things I would change is the cooler to a 212 EVO, XFX(Seasonic) or Antec PSU. Didn't look at the case but I don't like the drive bays rotated 90 blocking the front intake fans.
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April 2, 2012 12:17:56 AM

Best answer selected by noobiam.
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April 2, 2012 2:19:14 AM

The Hyper 212s are pretty much the same.

Case... its pretty common these days I think for the hard drives to be mounted with the side facing the intake fans. My Lian Li case is the same way.

If you don't like that, you could always just take the hard drive bays out and just leave them laying on the bottom of the case. Then they won't block your intake fans.
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