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April 1, 2012 9:33:18 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: End of May

Budget Range: £450 GBP

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Diablo 3 mostly, with some movie and internet browsing.

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, hdd & cd rom


Country: England


Overclocking: No


Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Hi everyone. I'm building my first pc for playing diablo 3(max settings). How do you guys rate my build? Do you think the case and additional fans will be enough cooling to prevent any problems?
Thanks in advance!

Processor: Intel® Core™ i5 2320 3.00 £130
http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/processor...

Graphics: Radeon HD 6850 £90
http://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/asus-eah6850-pcie-2-1-grap...

Motherboard: Asus P8Z68-V LX S1155 Intel £75
http://www.dabs.com/products/asus-p8z68-v-lx-s1155-inte...

RAM: Corsair CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 8GB 1600MHz £40
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9-1600MH...

Power supply: Powercool PC650UM 650W £45
http://www.scan.co.uk/products/650w-psu-powercool-pc650...

Case: Novatech Cougar ATX Case £17
http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/cases/cas...

Arctic Freezer 7 Pro Rev 2 CPU Cooler £16
http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/cooling/c...

Akasa Viper PWM Fan - 140mm £12
http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/cooling/f...

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April 1, 2012 9:49:25 PM

You shouldn't need the CPU cooler, I'd save the money spent on that and put it towards a decent case. Antec 100 or coolermaster elite 430 perhaps, you won't need any additional fans with those either. I would also get a better psu like the XFX core 450w or Corsair CX-430. Despite the lower wattage, they should be much quieter and more reliable.
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April 1, 2012 10:11:06 PM

Thanks for the reply. I was thinking about improving the case, what are the benefits? Also will 450w be enough?
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April 1, 2012 10:15:28 PM

jmsellars1 said:
You shouldn't need the CPU cooler, I'd save the money spent on that and put it towards a decent case. Antec 100 or coolermaster elite 430 perhaps, you won't need any additional fans with those either. I would also get a better psu like the XFX core 450w or Corsair CX-430. Despite the lower wattage, they should be much quieter and more reliable.


Thanks for the reply. I was thinking about improving the case, what are the benefits? Also will 450w be enough?
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April 1, 2012 10:18:36 PM

Don't get a CPU cooler, a 550W PSU, and you'll save a bunch of cash.
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April 1, 2012 10:57:44 PM

So long as it's a quality PSU like one of the two I mentioned then yeah, 400W+ is fine.

The benefits to improving the case are better cooling (the case will normally be designed better and have more/better fans included). It will also be easier to build into and nicer to look at.
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April 1, 2012 11:00:17 PM

^What they said, and also, if you have any money left over, spend it on a 6870 instead of 6850 for your GPU. Apart from that, it seems fine.
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April 1, 2012 11:06:15 PM

If you go for the HD 6870, make sure the PSU has 2 PCI-e connectors. The Core 450W should still be fine but you would need the 500W version of the Corsair PSU.
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April 1, 2012 11:07:29 PM

jmsellars1 said:
So long as it's a quality PSU like one of the two I mentioned then yeah, 400W+ is fine.

The benefits to improving the case are better cooling (the case will normally be designed better and have more/better fans included). It will also be easier to build into and nicer to look at.


Thanks again for the reply. I'll go for the coolmaster case you recommended, I can pick it up for £35. In relation to the power supply, I've found these three-

http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/powersupp...

http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/powersupp...

http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/powersupp...

As I'm not getting the cpu cooler and fan, my budget can afford any one of those; which would you recommend?
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April 1, 2012 11:09:59 PM

The XFX one is probably the best, the 450W version of it would be fine though.
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April 1, 2012 11:15:23 PM

ddan49 said:
^What they said, and also, if you have any money left over, spend it on a 6870 instead of 6850 for your GPU. Apart from that, it seems fine.


Thanks for your reply. At the moment the cheapest I can get the 6850 is £90 but the 6870 is £130! Seems a lot more for only a small amount more performance?
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April 1, 2012 11:24:25 PM

jmsellars1 said:
The XFX one is probably the best, the 450W version of it would be fine though.


I found the 450w version for £40. I think i'll go for the 550w version because I can afford it. Is the 6850 good enough for diablo 3 max settings and smooth frames? Thats the main (90%) use of this build. 3+ months down the line I might want to try out some different games but I'll be able to afford a better graphics card by then (eg 560ti 448 core £175). Thanks for all the reply's!
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April 1, 2012 11:34:19 PM

wouldnt know about an unreleased game tbh.......

most likely not though
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April 1, 2012 11:44:05 PM

I agree with ddan49 and jmsellars get the 430w Corsair or Antec Earthwatts 430w and get a 6870.................
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April 2, 2012 3:15:28 AM

yodagps said:
Thanks for your reply. At the moment the cheapest I can get the 6850 is £90 but the 6870 is £130! Seems a lot more for only a small amount more performance?


:o  Seriously?! That's crazy! That's a very large difference! It's only $20 difference on Newegg, but since you're not in the US...

Here are a few links that'll help:
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/amd_6800series/...
http://www.hwcompare.com/5999/radeon-hd-6850-vs-radeon-...

As you can see, it's not that large of a difference. The thing is that because these cards are at the very bottom of the mid-range category, even that small difference makes a difference in gaming. I'd need someone to give their input on Diablo 3, since I know nothing about benchmarking for it, but if the difference is that large, I would personally say either to wait for the 6870 to go down, or to get the 6850. But this is up for a lot of debate, since the 6870 IS noticeably better. It's only noticeably better, though, because both cards are fairly low-end.

I think for max settings you may want to go with 6870... but again, I don't know for sure. Also, what is the price on a GTX 560 Ti at the place you're getting your GPUs?
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April 2, 2012 7:54:02 AM

lol that's normal, compare it to my countries local stores, a gtx680 is 50-100$ more expensive than a sapphire 7970 just because it's new and people wan't it lol,

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April 2, 2012 9:16:32 AM

ddan49 said:
:o  Seriously?! That's crazy! That's a very large difference! It's only $20 difference on Newegg, but since you're not in the US...

Here are a few links that'll help:
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/amd_6800series/...
http://www.hwcompare.com/5999/radeon-hd-6850-vs-radeon-...

As you can see, it's not that large of a difference. The thing is that because these cards are at the very bottom of the mid-range category, even that small difference makes a difference in gaming. I'd need someone to give their input on Diablo 3, since I know nothing about benchmarking for it, but if the difference is that large, I would personally say either to wait for the 6870 to go down, or to get the 6850. But this is up for a lot of debate, since the 6870 IS noticeably better. It's only noticeably better, though, because both cards are fairly low-end.

I think for max settings you may want to go with 6870... but again, I don't know for sure. Also, what is the price on a GTX 560 Ti at the place you're getting your GPUs?


Hi thanks for the reply. I have done quite a bit of research looking at the cards rating, fps benchmark on crysis and inputing my cpu and gpu into a diablo 3 tool on game debate. The D3 tool says I should be able to play the game on max.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/charts/2012-vga-gpgpu/07-...

http://www.game-debate.com/games/index.php?g_id=17&game...

Based on the benchmarks, crysis fps results and the gpu's cost, the best value for money card if i was going to spend more cash is the 560ti 448 core (£175). The 6570 is £130 and 560ti is £160. The good thing is I'm not building this rig until the end of may, so diablo 3 would've been out for a couple weeks by then! I'm sure there will be plenty of real benchmark results for low, mid and high settings in that time. So whether the 6850 will play it on max settings and at what fps will be answered!! A few components are on offer at the moment, so i was going to buy a few early.
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April 2, 2012 11:11:25 AM

May as well wait until you are ready to buy everything in one go and save on postage costs. Also means you will be able to return things with less hassle if they turn out to be broken.
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April 2, 2012 12:37:24 PM

I'll be pretty surprised if you can't play Diablo 3 on max settings with the HD 6850 to be honest. It's about the same as a GTX 460 (which I have) and I haven't found a game I can't play on max settings yet. Skyrim isn't completely smooth though so I do tone the AA/AF down slightly.
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April 2, 2012 12:56:46 PM

metal orient said:
May as well wait until you are ready to buy everything in one go and save on postage costs. Also means you will be able to return things with less hassle if they turn out to be broken.


Thats a good point! Most of the components have free delivery anyway + i didn't even consider if something arrives broken! Its my first build so I hope that doesn't happen!
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April 2, 2012 1:04:15 PM

jmsellars1 said:
I'll be pretty surprised if you can't play Diablo 3 on max settings with the HD 6850 to be honest. It's about the same as a GTX 460 (which I have) and I haven't found a game I can't play on max settings yet. Skyrim isn't completely smooth though so I do tone the AA/AF down slightly.


I hope thats the case, everything I've looked at points towards it being able to.

I've got a quick question about the case you recommended (coolmaster elite 430), will i have a problem with the psu (Corsair 500 Watt CX500 V2) cable being too short to reach the motherboard (Asus P8Z68-V LX)? If so, what type of cable will i need to get to extend it so it reaches? Thanks again
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April 2, 2012 1:26:52 PM

Sorry, can't answer your question, but apart from that it seems 6850 is the way to go. But Tavo_Nova said that the price difference was because everyone wanted the "new" cards. In that case, by the end of May, either 1) A new mid-range card will be out or 2) The 6850 will be so "old" that I don't think there will be much of a price difference between it and the 6870.

Also, since you're waiting, go with an Ivy Bridge processor, and a motherboard to go along with it. Well... by the end of May, there might not even be any Sandy Bridge processors out there. I dunno :p 
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April 2, 2012 1:45:06 PM

I think the cables should reach OK, my friend has that PSU with an Antec 902 and that reaches.
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April 2, 2012 1:50:06 PM

jmsellars1 said:
I think the cables should reach OK, my friend has that PSU with an Antec 902 and that reaches.


Ok thanks, but if it doesn't reach what type of extention cable would i need? I dont want to be in the scenario of putting the pc together and having to wait 2-3 days for a cable to come in the post, id rather just spend <£5 and get it incase.
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April 2, 2012 2:15:16 PM

It's a P4 4+4 pin connector.
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April 2, 2012 5:15:57 PM

jmsellars1 said:
It's a P4 4+4 pin connector.


I'll pick one up from ebay. I'm considering making my build a bit more future proof by upgrading to a i5 2500k (£165) and INNO3D GeForce GTX 560 Ti 448 Cores (£175). Would i need to adjust any other components eg power supply or cpu cooler? Thanks for all the replys/tips!
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April 2, 2012 7:31:17 PM

I'd get the Hyper 212 as a CPU cooler, the 7850 (or 6950 if the 7850 isn't possible), and I don't know about the PSU. Also, your motherboard does support overclocking, but I don't know how it compares to the Extreme3 Gen3 that's a favorite for overclocking. Yours is Asus, so I guess it's better quality, but I'm assuming it doesn't have USB 3.0 ports and stuff like that. USB 3.0 might be a good idea for "future-proofing", but that's only if you use a lot of flash drives and stuff like that.
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April 2, 2012 8:25:47 PM

ddan49 said:
I'd get the Hyper 212 as a CPU cooler, the 7850 (or 6950 if the 7850 isn't possible), and I don't know about the PSU. Also, your motherboard does support overclocking, but I don't know how it compares to the Extreme3 Gen3 that's a favorite for overclocking. Yours is Asus, so I guess it's better quality, but I'm assuming it doesn't have USB 3.0 ports and stuff like that. USB 3.0 might be a good idea for "future-proofing", but that's only if you use a lot of flash drives and stuff like that.


Thanks for your reply. Yeh I think ill add the 7850 to my list instead of the 560ti 448. I'm a novice on my first build so overclocking isnt really something i've thought about. I'm considering getting the 2500k too. Think i'll repost my upgraded spec and see what people think, my 500w psu is on the lower side I think for the 7850
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April 2, 2012 8:33:49 PM

As to cooling, i like the look of the corsair h60
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April 2, 2012 8:35:27 PM

yodagps said:
Thanks for your reply. Yeh I think ill add the 7850 to my list instead of the 560ti 448. I'm a novice on my first build so overclocking isnt really something i've thought about. I'm considering getting the 2500k too. Think i'll repost my upgraded spec and see what people think, my 500w psu is on the lower side I think for the 7850


Not really, you only need 400W+ for the HD 7850. It actually uses less power than the HD 6850 and I have known people to run that with an i5 on 380W.
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April 2, 2012 8:39:59 PM

yodagps said:
As to cooling, i like the look of the corsair h60


The H60 looks a bit pointless to me. The whole point of liquid cooling is to move the heat to an area where you can fit a bigger heatsink, other than that it's the same as air cooling. There's no point in it if you're going to have a relatively small heatsink like the H60. You could get the Noctua NH-D14 for only ~£10 more and that would provide much better cooling, be quieter and have none of the risks of liquid cooling. Alternatively you could go for something like the Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo, that would only run a couple of degrees hotter I imagine, it would be a lot quieter and cheaper though.
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April 2, 2012 8:43:22 PM

jmsellars1 said:
Not really, you only need 400W+ for the HD 7850. It actually uses less power than the HD 6850 and I have known people to run that with an i5 on 380W.


Thats good news, ill stick with the corsair 500w. Would you suggest a cpu cooler (corsair h60) for my 'maybe' upgrade build? Also would the coolmaster 430 be ok of should i upgrade the case too?
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April 2, 2012 8:47:10 PM

I would go for the Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo personally, it should fit in pretty much any mid tower like the Elite 430.

EDIT: If you still plan on going for the i5-2320, you don't even need a new cooler because it can't be overclocked. The stock one would be fine.
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April 2, 2012 8:59:52 PM

jmsellars1 said:
I would go for the Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo personally, it should fit in pretty much any mid tower like the Elite 430.

EDIT: If you still plan on going for the i5-2320, you don't even need a new cooler because it can't be overclocked. The stock one would be fine.


Yeh ill stick with the stock cooler if I deside against upgrading. It does look like i'll upgrade to the i5 2500k and a better graphics card (7850 probably). The hyper 212 is a good price, much cheaper than the corsair. Someone did suggest i look at the new ivy bridge processors, do you have any thoughts on that? i5-3570k? I hadn't heard of them until today!
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April 3, 2012 1:20:10 PM

Well... The ivy bridge processors are coming out about this month. They're not out yet. They are basically he next generation of intel processors. I would suggest waiting, since they'll offer a small performance upgrade for he same price. They'll also be much more power efficient, so you'll be even safer with your 500 watt psu.
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April 3, 2012 1:20:36 PM

Well... The ivy bridge processors are coming out about this month. They're not out yet. They are basically he next generation of intel processors. I would suggest waiting, since they'll offer a small performance upgrade for he same price. They'll also be much more power efficient, so you'll be even safer with your 500 watt psu.
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April 3, 2012 1:21:07 PM

Well... The ivy bridge processors are coming out about this month. They're not out yet. They are basically he next generation of intel processors. I would suggest waiting, since they'll offer a small performance upgrade for he same price. They'll also be much more power efficient, so you'll be even safer with your 500 watt psu.
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April 5, 2012 11:33:42 AM

Thanks for the reply! I've added a new post on my new spec (thanks for the advice!) What cpu I get will depend on the prices at the time, which ever is cheapest!
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April 12, 2012 8:17:16 AM

Best answer selected by yodagps.
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