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January 25, 2012 11:28:54 AM

My motherboard and processer are a Biostar TForce 6100-939 NVIDIA Socket 939 Micro ATX Motherboard using an Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4400+. I'm looking to switch from the on board graphics card i have been using. I'm looking for a cheap one under $50.00 if possible. I'm looking for the most bang for my buck i can go up to $100.00 if i have to. I was considering a VGA 01G-P3-1302-LR GeForce 8400 GS Video Card - 1024MB DDR3, PCI Express, DVI, VGA, HDMI, Low Profile from tigerdirect a link:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...]

My monitor has been going black for a few seconds then coming back like nothing happened for a while. It happens while reading a page some times when switching pages or while gaming. Some one told me that it was probably the north bridge of my motherboard getting a bit hot. So looking to take the stress off the on board graphics of my motherboard by putting in a regular video card. My pc also has 3 1024 kingston ram installed and i'm running windows xp home edition.

My case has 4 fans 1 on top of the case 1 on the side and 2 in the rear. So i am hoping that by putting in a new graphics card i can upgrade my graphics card while also doing away with the anoying and random black outs so to speak. So would that card serve my needs or can you give me a better one? And would it work with my motherboards chipset?
January 25, 2012 12:38:07 PM

Forgot to mention my monitor is an Acer P201w. I'malso in the US. As for the power supply? I'm sorry i have forgotten i built this almost 6 years ago lol And i'm going to be doing a new build soon to give this pc to the wife. All she ever does is watch videos online and surf the web so this one should keep her happy for a few years after i build my new and give her that one and start over again lol Oh the forever circle of build then rebuild :p 

By the way i'm new here. If you need to know more pleasejust ask i will try to answer if i can.

P.S sorry for the double postdid not see an edit option untill i already posted this doh
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January 25, 2012 2:50:40 PM

zolton33 said:
My power supply (just checked it out) is an ATX-AS500w all 4 pins.

And this is my case:

http://www.apevia.com/ProductsInfo.asp?KEY=ATXA8NW-AL/5...

So 2 Radeon recomends? Did Nvidia's cards stop being able to compete with ATX?

Nvidia does not have a card worthy of recommendation within your price range IMO.
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January 25, 2012 3:00:55 PM

nvidia and ati both have good cards, ati offers wide range, but in nvidia you have a gtx 520 for low profile (not suitable for your cpu) and then a gtx550 which is overkill for your cpu and nothing is inbetween for desktop

hd6670 is better than that 8400 and is good match for your cpu and also for your psu
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January 25, 2012 3:16:39 PM

So what i need is an hd 6670 radeon? They seem to make several types of it such as these 2:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

So that would be my best option for a graphics card? Was hoping for something cheaper lol And i was use to nvidia products never really tried radeon cards out to be honest.

Heres 3 newegg links these?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 25, 2012 3:30:49 PM

For a 6670 the power requirements are entirely satisfied by a second-generation PCI Express x16 slot, would that still work with his first-generation PCI-E?
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January 25, 2012 5:04:52 PM

6670? 5680? 6450? So which one? They are all greek to me.
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January 25, 2012 5:06:30 PM

@fuggles
lol
or maybe a gtx590

@asnorton44
iirc
all versions support 75w, there is no increment in power with increment in version
the main improvement is of GT/s and bandwidth and with some other optimisations too
so it will work in v1

@zolton33
hd5670 or hd 6670 (little better than 5670)

(or if you do not play games (or play old games on low quality and low resolution) then gtx520, 8400 or 430 can be on your list)
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January 25, 2012 6:14:20 PM

truegenius said:
@fuggles
lol
or maybe a gtx590

@asnorton44
iirc
all versions support 75w, there is no increment in power with increment in version
the main improvement is of GT/s and bandwidth and with some other optimisations too
so it will work in v1

@zolton33
hd5670 or hd 6670 (little better than 5670)

(or if you do not play games (or play old games on low quality and low resolution) then gtx520, 8400 or 430 can be on your list)


I'm confused :pt1cable:  I understand that Nvidia does not really have anything to offer me as my pc is set up. So which card is the best of the 3 you have mentioned over all. Keep in mind i play mostly MMORPGS lol So far with my little on board 6100 i've only found 1 game i could not play and that was city of heroes. Although i didn't really have the best fps in all i played almost all on lowest settings for performance over quality in the past. So which one would allow great fps and quality over all?
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January 25, 2012 7:02:07 PM

zolton33 said:
I'm confused :pt1cable:  I understand that Nvidia does not really have anything to offer me as my pc is set up. So which card is the best of the 3 you have mentioned over all. Keep in mind i play mostly MMORPGS lol So far with my little on board 6100 i've only found 1 game i could not play and that was city of heroes. Although i didn't really have the best fps in all i played almost all on lowest settings for performance over quality in the past. So which one would allow great fps and quality over all?


I say get this 6570 which is $50 after mail in rebate

ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It's about as fast as my old Radeon 3850 for gaming and trust me, it will be a gigantic upgrade for you. You should even be able to play slightly older games like Unreal Tournament 3 at rather good quality. My friend also uses a 3850 to play a lot of MMOs like Guild Wars and it seems to do rather decent. The only issues is, if you have a PCI-E 1.0a board make sure to check if there are any BIOS updates for it that might address compatibility with newer cards. Some early PCI-E 1.0a boards weren't fully complaint at launch.
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January 25, 2012 7:21:11 PM

avoid Nvidia at all costs in your price range.... IMO 6570 the best for u... futureproof for MMOG
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January 25, 2012 7:55:17 PM

megamanx00 said:
I say get this 6570 which is $50 after mail in rebate

ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It's about as fast as my old Radeon 3850 for gaming and trust me, it will be a gigantic upgrade for you. You should even be able to play slightly older games like Unreal Tournament 3 at rather good quality. My friend also uses a 3850 to play a lot of MMOs like Guild Wars and it seems to do rather decent. The only issues is, if you have a PCI-E 1.0a board make sure to check if there are any BIOS updates for it that might address compatibility with newer cards. Some early PCI-E 1.0a boards weren't fully complaint at launch.



Thats what i'm worried about the compatibility with my pci slots.

Newegg stats for it:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Biostars:

http://www.biostar.com.tw/app/en/mb/introduction.php?S_...

Will that 1 be compatible with it. It shows my chipset as an m9? So a 939 is an m9? :o 
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January 25, 2012 8:11:33 PM

ugh, looks like 1.0a. I'd say follow the instructions on the BioStar support page to update the BIOS, then give it a shot.
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January 25, 2012 8:27:52 PM

megamanx00 said:
ugh, looks like 1.0a. I'd say follow the instructions on the BioStar support page to update the BIOS, then give it a shot.



You may as well be speaking another language. :heink:  I would not even know where to begin a search for a bios update to make my pci slots 2.0 lol Can that even work? :o  Sorry last time i researched components was back in 2006 when i researched the pieces to my pc lol So i'm way out of daye :p 
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January 25, 2012 9:48:07 PM

I have read up on it a bit and it seems it depends on whether or not the motherboard company releases a bios update to make the 1.0 compatible. Sadly only update i see for my motherboard is:

Resolve compatibility issue with Nvidia 7950X2 PCI-E VGA card

:o 

Really so no 2.0 love :( 

So i'm at a loss for what to do and get :pt1cable: 
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January 25, 2012 11:46:55 PM

-_- bah. Well as far as I know the compatibility was mostly with VIA 880Pro/Ultra, Intel 925, and Intel 5000P though I remember certain nForce boards also had a bit of an issue. If you stuck with 1.0a then you could go on eBay and get an older 1.0a card like the 8800GTS 640 or something from the 7900 or 6800 series. On the AMD side it would be the HD 2xxx series and earlier. Probably more than a few X1900 cards out there, but you have to use the AMD legacy drivers.
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January 25, 2012 11:48:09 PM

I say go to to CompUSA buy something like a 6570, and see if it works. If it doesn't, then you know you have a PCI-E 2.1 problem so just take it back and claim defective :p  . Then you can worry about buying an older card off eBay or something
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January 25, 2012 11:52:10 PM

From what i read the 2.0 cards are supposed to be compatible with my pci express x16. It seems it is the 2.1 thats not always compatible. Maybe some one more knowledgeable about it can chime in and let me know one way or the other?
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January 26, 2012 3:42:48 AM

i have hd6770 a v2.1, and i am running it on my k9n6pgm2-v board with geforce6150se nforce430 chipset and on a pcie v1 slot.

If you want best of those hd6670 is best and is a good match for your cpu
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January 26, 2012 10:23:47 AM

Yes but isn't your motherboard a lot newer? Yours supports the am2+ and am3. Mine is a socket 939 and supports Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64. I read on here that it is hit or miss on the 2.1 cards working in old 1.0 slots although i also read that most of them will accept and work the 2.0 cards without problems. But i could not find my board mentioned here. what i did find were all pre 2006. So can any one say for sure whether or not a 2.0 will work? Or that a 2.1 would work for sure?
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January 26, 2012 11:26:58 AM

one who have a board same as yours and have used a v2.1 card can tell you surely

you may want to read this
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

mine supports 65w am3 only (stated by msi), but i am using a athlon 64 x2 7750

you can try to hunt down gtx545 (but is rare and highly priced), or hd5 series 2.0v card
if you still want a v1 card then say bye bye to dx11 and say hello to more power hungry card for same performance :lol: 

((or if you can sell your current cpu+ram+mobo for 100dollers then you can get more faster rig
like
am3 board + 2 gb ddr3 + phenom 2 cpu + hd6670 or 5670 in around 150dollers))
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January 26, 2012 2:47:48 PM

truegenius said:
one who have a board same as yours and have used a v2.1 card can tell you surely

you may want to read this
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

mine supports 65w am3 only (stated by msi), but i am using a athlon 64 x2 7750

you can try to hunt down gtx545 (but is rare and highly priced), or hd5 series 2.0v card
if you still want a v1 card then say bye bye to dx11 and say hello to more power hungry card for same performance :lol: 

((or if you can sell your current cpu+ram+mobo for 100dollers then you can get more faster rig
like
am3 board + 2 gb ddr3 + phenom 2 cpu + hd6670 or 5670 in around 150dollers))


I'm just looking for my best option. I'd hate to throw money to the wind so to speak unless i know for sure. I'm not much for gambling as my budget doesn't allow me to do it. 1.1 boards seem to have no problem with 2.0 and 2.1 boards from what i read online (and i'm still searching the web as we speak for a definite answer) The 1.0a boards seem to be the ones that are hit or miss and sadly i drew that board. I plan to build a newer pc within the next few months. But i will have to buy each component separate. On a month by month basis until i have all the pieces so gonna need this one for quite a while still. But that is a separate issue lol Right now i'm looking for a card that will be compatible and work and the best i can get for my budget. If some one can garantee that the card would work with no problems that is the one i need. I understand that my 1.0a can not do quite as well as the 2.0 and some cards will either bottle neck or not work because of this. Its frustrating.
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January 26, 2012 3:21:00 PM

you can buy a hd5670 or 6 and if working then fine , if not then you are going to upgrade your board
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January 26, 2012 3:50:08 PM

truegenius said:
you can buy a hd5670 or 6 and if working then fine , if not then you are going to upgrade your board



No offence but i really don't have the money to throw to the side like that without something to show for it. Which is why i'm here seeking answers to my best choice. I could buy the HD6670 you suggested but if it does not work? Then where would i be? I'd have an $80.00 paper weight as i have no other system it would for sure work with. And would still be looking for a video card. I'm trying to make sure my first choice is the best one.

The 2.1 cards are compatible with MOST 1.1 and not always with 1.0a. From what i understand of what i've read so far searching google as well as here is that not all 2.0 cards work well in the 1.0a? I've tried searching for those with the same motherboard as me a TForce 6100-939 to see what others have tried in regards to the 1.0a pci express in the motherboard but sadly almost all posts and things i find are pre 2008 or around that time period.

Which makes me going at this blindly which i do not like to do. Which is why I am here asking for help on knowing for sure what card to get that will for sure work. From what i understand (which is not alot i admit) my board was quite popular for its over clocking capabilities. But to be honest that is why i bought it. I know nothing of overclocking and have never tried it. But if the board can handle the stress of it quite well i figured it be perfect for me to use as stock for a good while.

I keep coming up empty handed on knowing for sure whether or not a 2.0 would even work in my board let alone a 2.1. I'm just trying to get the best i can within my budget that will work for sure with no doubts. My experience with pc's is searching for the components i used to make this one back in 2006 lol so i have alot to learn. And i did not even consider a graphics card back then so i know next to nothing about them outside how to install one. So i hope you can understand me hesitating to just rush out and buy 1 without knowing anything about the card or if its for sure going to work.

My ram is ddr400 if that helps specifically pc 3200 i think (noticed some cards stating ddr3) Also wanted to ask as some cards say 1gb and some 2 how those work.
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January 26, 2012 6:41:26 PM

I have been researching this for many hours now. And it seems hit or miss on the 1.0a pci express x16 being compatible with a 2.1 card. They say there is a work around by flashing the card or your bios to get them working. I filled out a technical support form with biostar the maker of my motherboard to check if the 1.0a in my board falls into the hit or the miss department. But i'm not holding my breath as i wait to see if i get a response.

The only bios update for my card i could find from biostar was last updated 06-22-06 a link if some one needs it:

http://www.biostar-usa.com/mbdownloads.asp?model=tforce...

When i go to build my pc i'll definitely be coming here for answers on what to put in it. I just wish it was a straight answer on what my motherboard can accept and what the best video card is. Sorry my motherboard has decided to be so complicated so far. I just want to update my video card to the best possible option within my budget.

Sadly i do not even know what the memory on the cards mean or what the diferences are between 512 mb and a 1 gig. :o 
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January 27, 2012 1:51:54 AM

more memory will come in handy at higher resolutions,

in my opinion, to remove any compatability issue, you can postpone graphics card upgrade and concentrate on mobo+cpu+ram upgrade first and then gpu upgrade

your ram and cpu are majour bottleneck and mobo is not surely compatible.

You can get only 5-10 fps in games like cod black ops, 10-20 in gta4, around 30 in gpu dependent game with any card like gtx580 if it works because of cpu bottleneck
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January 27, 2012 3:07:07 AM

truegenius said:
more memory will come in handy at higher resolutions,

in my opinion, to remove any compatability issue, you can postpone graphics card upgrade and concentrate on mobo+cpu+ram upgrade first and then gpu upgrade

your ram and cpu are majour bottleneck and mobo is not surely compatible.

You can get only 5-10 fps in games like cod black ops, 10-20 in gta4, around 30 in gpu dependent game with any card like gtx580 if it works because of cpu bottleneck



I plan to build a new pc from scratch in the next year (1 piece each month) but this one will more then likely go to the wife. I am needing a graphics card now to eliminate the problem i'm having because my motherboards north bridge has been getting hot causing my monitor to go black for a few seconds randomly then coming back. This pc i'm going to leave in tact because i'm going to give it to the wife. She will only really use it to surf the web and watch videos as she isn't a pc gamer (although she is a mario fan and loves playing mario). So this pc should serve that purpose for her for a few more years. And its why i was looking for a cheap card that is an upgrade from my 6100 that is on my motherboard and won't bottle neck. I plan on using this to game on until my other pc is finished. I don't play a lot of graphics intensive games more like the free to play mmorpgs. So i'm looking for an upgrade that is cheap (preferably under $50.00) and an upgrade and the best i can get for that price range. When i get the other pc built i'll worry about a much better graphics card for it.

Also what do you mean my ram and my cpu are bottle necked? :o  And i can for sure use a 2.0 express from what i read its the 2.1 cards that are not always compatible.
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January 27, 2012 4:08:08 AM

I looked on tigerdirect (i shop there alot as i can't seem to find things cheaper any where else) and found this list of 2.0 express cards under $50.00 :

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/Category/guided...

Do any of these look like they would serve my needs? the one that caught my eye was :

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

But i also liked :

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Could i get one of those 2 or another from that list that would not bottle neck and would serve me well?
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January 27, 2012 4:39:44 AM

for mario and web you can use any card.
Your cpu and ram are slow and are bottleneck for any mid range card
how much ram do you have?
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January 27, 2012 4:45:01 AM

truegenius said:
for mario and web you can use any card.
Your cpu and ram are slow and are bottleneck for any mid range card
how much ram do you have?


3 gig kingston pc 3200 ram
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January 27, 2012 5:16:04 AM

6450 will be totally fine, or get an AMD Llano if you are going to buy a new PC. You should be able to run it with some BIOS updates...
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January 27, 2012 5:30:00 AM

yes...
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January 27, 2012 5:46:08 AM

same issue v2.1
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January 27, 2012 5:54:02 AM

The one i posted in the link says its 2.0.
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January 27, 2012 3:45:20 PM

So would that one work without bottle necking?
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January 27, 2012 5:04:22 PM

Ok i found some one who posted here in 11/21/2011 that was also using a biostar Tforce 6100-939 motherboard and they said they had a AMD radeon HD 5770 installed the link:

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/333579-33-radeon-6870...

That is a 2.1 card is it not? But then they ran into problems installing a radeon 6870 which i know is a 2.1 card. So now i'm kinda on the fence about whether or not to try a 2.1 card.
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January 27, 2012 5:55:41 PM

The 5770 seems to have 2 versions though a 2.0 and a 2.1 links :

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

While the 6870 is for sure a 2.1 as i could not find a 2.0 version of it. So could that have been that posters problem? I'm unsure as they did not say whether or not the first card was a 2.0 or a 2.1. Doh ready to pull my hair out figuring out whether mine is able to handle a 2.1 or not.
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January 28, 2012 4:43:44 PM

I got a response from biostar about my board. And i quote "If you install a PCI-express 2.1 video card, it will work, but only run at PCI-express 1.0 speed. This is not BIOS related." So they are telling me a 2.1 will work fine. So any suggestions for one under $50.00 that will compliment my cpu?
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January 28, 2012 5:02:25 PM

any card in your budget will work, as you have stated that it is to replace onboard graphics and for some lite work.

You cannot get a hd6870 under 50doller :lol: 
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January 28, 2012 5:04:57 PM

truegenius said:
any card in your budget will work, as you have stated that it is to replace onboard graphics and for some lite work.

You cannot get a hd6870 under 50doller :lol: 



And i also can not buy an i5 2500k for that price either so your point would be? and its dollar not doller /facepalm
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January 28, 2012 5:14:44 PM

what?
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