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April 6, 2012 5:47:22 AM

hello, i am about to make an extreme water cooling gamer/overclocking pc beginner in watercooling though i did massive research. my list is:
- cpu: intel core i7-3930k
-Hard drive:corsair force gt-ssd 60gb and 1.5tb western digital hard drive
-Motherboard:Asus sabertooth X79 Sabertooth LGA 2011
-RAM:Corsair dominator (4x4gb)
-PSU: raidmax 1000watts
-GPU: 2 x evga gtx 580 1536mb with Danger den dd gtx-580 water blocks
-Case: cooler master haf-x ( i just love the case in particular)
-logisys computer fp600bk fan controller
-water cooling kit is EK H30 360 HFX advanced cooling kit
- replacing most of the fan anyway everything red leds and high qualities.

this is my new build though i haven't mentioned my ram water blocks reason why is that this motherboard has 8DIMMS therefore destroys the fact that i cant put 4 rams next to eachother unless i buy 4 more rams. any suggesstions? like if i can use ram heatsinks instead. if soo tell me more about it.
April 6, 2012 6:28:52 AM

I'm no watercooling expert but I can tell you Raidmax power supplies are crap.

For 2 x GTX580s you would need a quality 850-950w power supply. Stick with Corsair, Seasonic, PC Power and Cooling, XFX, Enermax, Silverstone, OCZ and Antec.
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April 6, 2012 6:29:38 AM

Ivy Bridge is due out April 29th.

http://pcper.com/news/Processors/Intel-Ivy-Bridge-Proce... <----- Here's a price run down of the Ivy Bridge cpu's in $USD

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPa... <----- Z77 boards already for sale in Australia. In the past few years the Aussies have been getting the goodies a month ahead of the US and Canada including Sandy Bridge and the 1155 boards. The Aussies have already pulled some of the 1155 Cougar Point boards (H61/H67/P67/Z68) from their site. In fact a lot of those boards are no longer for sale on that site compared to last month.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5166/ivy-bridge-overview <----- Line-up of Ivy Bridge desktop cpu's to date.

Z77/Z75 motherboards (Panther Point chipset w/native USB 3.0) and PCI-E 3.0

http://www.asrock.com/microsite/PCIe3/overview.html <----- Quick and brief rundown of Ivy Bridge, PCI-E 3.0 cards and the new gen boards.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/index.asp?s=1155 <---- Asrocks Z77 and Z75 boards to date. They all get released with Ivy Bridge.

http://usa.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/Inte... <---- Asus Z77 board lineup to date.

http://www.gigabyte.us/products/list.aspx?s=42&jid=2&p=... <----- Gigabyte Z77 board lineup to date.

http://us.msi.com/product/mb/#/?sk=Socket%201155%20(Intel%20i3/i5/i7) <----- MSI Z77 board lineup to date.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5626/ivy-bridge-preview-c... <---- Ivy Bridge cpu review with benchmarks



http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-overclock... <----- Overclocking the gtx 680 w/benchmarks

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April 6, 2012 6:56:21 AM

anort3 said:
I'm no watercooling expert but I can tell you Raidmax power supplies are crap.

For 2 x GTX580s you would need a quality 850-950w power supply. Stick with Corsair, Seasonic, PC Power and Cooling, XFX, Enermax, Silverstone, OCZ and Antec.


Yea your right i took a corsair instead its just the raidmax was cheap but corsair it is. though i just need my answers for the ram question. its giving me a headache
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April 6, 2012 6:58:45 AM

You need quad-channel RAM. Each two RAM slots is considered a channel, so for quad channel, there are four of them. What you need to do is place a DIMM into the 1st, 3rd, 5th, and 7th slots.
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April 6, 2012 7:02:22 AM

If you are talking about watercooling your ram, it's not really necessary and will add unneeded cost and restriction to the loop. Save yourself some money or put it towards GTX 680s with waterblocks instead. Read this sticky and then ask any lingering questions you have about your loop in the watecooling section. I can assure you, you will get an informed answer.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/265776-29-read-first-...
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April 6, 2012 7:07:07 AM

azeem40 said:
You need quad-channel RAM. Each two RAM slots is considered a channel, so for quad channel, there are four of them. What you need to do is place a DIMM into the 1st, 3rd, 5th, and 7th slots.

yes i no that and i mentioned that. to justifiy my question a little better. i have 8 dimms . put my ram on the 1st,3rd,5th and 7th slot. though if i buy 2 ram heat sinks ,will they fit onto my ram even though their is 2 on each sides and not 4 on each side. because from what i no of about waterblocks is that you need 4 rams to install them.
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April 6, 2012 7:10:18 AM

masseybe84 said:
If you are talking about watercooling your ram, it's not really necessary and will add unneeded cost and restriction to the loop. Save yourself some money or put it towards GTX 680s with waterblocks instead. Read this sticky and then ask any lingering questions you have about your loop in the watecooling section. I can assure you, you will get an informed answer.
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/265776-29-read-first-...


how about just heatsinking them because im more interested in that than putting waterblocks
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April 6, 2012 7:11:18 AM

hypnotiq171 said:
yes i no that and i mentioned that. to justifiy my question a little better. i have 8 dimms . put my ram on the 1st,3rd,5th and 7th slot. though if i buy 2 ram heat sinks ,will they fit onto my ram even though their is 2 on each sides and not 4 on each side. because from what i no of about waterblocks is that you need 4 rams to install them.

Just curious but is this more of a hobby build than an actual gaming build? Because the Ivy Bridge build along with a pair of gtx 680's will mop the floor with that build you posted in the OP, and do it for half the cost or even less when you thrown in the water cooling.
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April 6, 2012 7:12:31 AM

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/13212/ex-blc-918/Bits...
You're looking at having to get 2 of those. That's going to set you back $120. That money would be much better spent on 2x680s or 2x7970s.
I would highly suggest opening a new thread in the watercooling section. You will get a much better response to your query.
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April 6, 2012 7:16:30 AM

hypnotiq171 said:
how about just heatsinking them because im more interested in that than putting waterblocks

The dominator series comes with heatsinks on them already. You don't need to put any on them. The heatsinks aren't exactly easy to get off either and you risk damaging the sticks. Stock anything is fine. You will be running the ram at stock settings anyways and at 1.5v any kind of heatsink is going to work fine tall heatsink fins or not.
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April 6, 2012 7:25:03 AM

Why_Me said:
Just curious but is this more of a hobby build than an actual gaming build? Because the Ivy Bridge build along with a pair of gtx 680's will mop the floor with that build you posted in the OP, and do it for half the cost or even less when you thrown in the water cooling.


its kinda like both to be honest. this is something i really love doing in my pass times. and yea this will be my gaming build. tell me more about this ivy bridge with the pairs of 680's if it comes down to less expensive then of course ill buy it
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April 6, 2012 7:29:15 AM

masseybe84 said:
The dominator series comes with heatsinks on them already. You don't need to put any on them. The heatsinks aren't exactly easy to get off either and you risk damaging the sticks. Stock anything is fine. You will be running the ram at stock settings anyways and at 1.5v any kind of heatsink is going to work fine tall heatsink fins or not.

yea your probably right , i mean i dont no much about ram temps especially about corsair dominators because i never bought them or tried them out. i shouldnt really worry about ram temps especially when im going to change all my case fans with high quality ones its going to be insane. :D 
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April 6, 2012 7:30:53 AM

After the initial week or so price hike and OOS is over Ivy Bridge should be around the same price and Sandy Bridge is right now. 680s are still out of stock most places but if you wait for Ivy Bridge they should be back in stock. They are more expensive than 580s but run faster with a smaller power envelop which means less radiator space needed and a lower Delta-t.
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April 6, 2012 7:40:08 AM

masseybe84 said:
After the initial week or so price hike and OOS is over Ivy Bridge should be around the same price and Sandy Bridge is right now. 680s are still out of stock most places but if you wait for Ivy Bridge they should be back in stock. They are more expensive than 580s but run faster with a smaller power envelop which means less radiator space needed and a lower Delta-t.


interesting :D  . id rather get the 580's because my absolute main concern in this build is the money and 3500$ is my absolute limit. though that ivy bridge cpu is interesting. i might get that instead of a 3930k lga 2011 though im just skeptical if that ivy bridge accept my lga 2011 motherboard which i would really love
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April 6, 2012 7:54:30 AM

hypnotiq171 said:
interesting :D  . id rather get the 580's because my absolute main concern in this build is the money and 3500$ is my absolute limit. though that ivy bridge cpu is interesting. i might get that instead of a 3930k lga 2011 though im just skeptical if that ivy bridge accept my lga 2011 motherboard which i would really love

No, it won't. It's a socket 1155 CPU. Honestly with $3500 you may as well go with the 3930k. You don't really need it and it won't really run games any faster but whatever.
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April 6, 2012 8:03:29 AM

masseybe84 said:
No, it won't. It's a socket 1155 CPU. Honestly with $3500 you may as well go with the 3930k. You don't really need it and it won't really run games any faster but whatever.

what wont run games any faster? the ivy bridge or the 3930k sandy bridge? because the first post you sent to me i was actually looking at that right now and the chart for startcraft 2 benched higher than the 3930k if im correct. but i wonder if thats different on other games also if id be looking forward for the ivy bridge and the ASROCK
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April 6, 2012 8:05:10 AM

sorry accidently pressed enter XD. if id be looking forward for the ivy bridge and get the asrock z68 extreme motherboard i want it with alot of 4pin PWM head connectors
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April 6, 2012 8:07:39 AM

AND only has 1 pwm 4pin connector :( . i guess ill go with the 3930k and its asus sabertooth x79 chipset
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April 6, 2012 8:08:43 AM

Best answer selected by hypnotiq171.
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April 6, 2012 8:46:19 AM

If you are really considering waiting for Ivy Bridge then their are really good motherboards out their at similar prices. I'd wait for a Z77 chipset MB to roll out. And sorry I was referring the the 3930k. Most games will be GPU bottlenecked and if not then you will be over 60 FPS.
I don't know why you want a bunch of pwm connectors on the motherboard if you are buying a fan controller too since you can't use both.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Socket 1155 for Sandy Bridge. Has 4 system fan headers. Personally I think it's overpriced. 150 range is about the sweet spot for motherboards but socket 2011 motherboards are all expensive. Fan controllers are a much more elegant solution in my opinion. Z77 should have a similar board when they are released later this month.
Also I can tell you off the top of my head that you are going to need more rad to watercool a cpu and 2 gpus. Also, thanks for the BA.
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April 6, 2012 8:50:34 AM

hypnotiq171 said:
AND only has 1 pwm 4pin connector :( . i guess ill go with the 3930k and its asus sabertooth x79 chipset

Going the Ivy Bridge route you are looking at saving 300 dollars on the CPU alone. That's a lot of money to be spending for some fan headers. There are some very elegant fan controllers out there that will do want you are wanting to do with your fans in a better manner.
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April 6, 2012 3:35:34 PM

I just wanted to throw it out there that its not possible to "feel" a difference between a smooth 60 FPS and a smooth 70 FPS.

The cost difference between a 2500k and a 3960x or 3930x, however, is much easier to "feel".

As long as you are just trying to waste money it doesn't really matter, just sayin.

If your computer got 60 FPS or 600 FPS your eyes wouldn't be fast enough to tell the difference. 600 FPS would, however, costs tens of thousands more than 60 FPS would. At least in SC2 anyway.
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April 6, 2012 4:10:28 PM

It's easy math. You get more for less with the Ivy Bridge. Ivy runs cooler, uses less juice, and over clocks a lot better than the Sandy Bridge-E. Non reference gtx 680's (after market cooling) from the likes of MSI and Gigabyte should start showing up soon. No water cooling involved and none needed. That free's up more $$$$ for a larger SSD, etc....

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ASUS P8Z77 WS (4 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 dual x16 or x16, x8, x8 or quad x8)

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5166/ivy-bridge-overview $332
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Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler (RR-212E-20PK-R2)

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G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-8GAB

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