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$3000 CDN Budget - Gaming (LGA2011)

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April 6, 2012 2:25:51 PM

Greetings all,

I'm looking for some advice on my current order. I'm looking to buy a machine to run games on ultra. I have two monitors, only use one to game on with the other acting as a news feed or reference information for the game I'm playing. They are dual 23" 1920x1080.

Please note all figures/parts need to be from Canada, preferrably TigerDirect or NCIX.

My current order:

CPU: Intel i7-3820
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

Mobo: ASUS Sabertooth X79 TUF
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

OR

ASUS Rampage IV Extreme
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 680
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

RAM: Corsair Dominator GT 8GB (2x4GB) PC3-17000 (2133 Mhz)
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

Power Supply: Corsair TX850M Modular Power Supply - Enthusiast Series - 850W
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

SSD: OCZ Agility 3 Series 240GB
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

HDD: WD 500GB Caviar Blue
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

Case: HAF X
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/SearchTools/item...

+ BlueRay/DVD/CD & Windows Home Premium 64Bit

Approx $2200-2300 before taxes.. Budget $3000 CDN.

I have room to tweak it, and would like some advice on my parts selection. Particularly my RAM and Motherboard options. I anticipate upgrading my CPU once IB comes out and the performance difference is quantified.

Cheers!

*I don't overclock things*
April 6, 2012 2:29:50 PM

Oh, and I almost forgot... what kind of CPU heatsink/fan should I get?
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April 6, 2012 2:32:45 PM

Im looking at the build and im thinking you could probably get better performance for the money. But dont quote me on it
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April 6, 2012 2:42:36 PM

Hello op

if you can wait for ive bridge it will be worth it.

Also i7 is an overkill.

But at your budget why not buy some monitors and eyefinity them.

My suggestion.

Sandy bridge e built

intel i7 3820
asus sabertooth x79
Corsair dominator gt 4x4 gb 1600mhz ddr3 ram
Evga gtx 680 x2
crucial m4 128gb ssd
pc power and cooling silencer mkii 950w 80+ silver psu
Wd carvier blue 500gb x2 in raid 0
lg blue ray burner
corsair carbide 600t white.
Corsair h100

also i will suggest the same monitors which you have currently have and put 3 in eyefinity and fourth on top of the first one
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April 6, 2012 2:56:01 PM

If you're not overclocking, a simple cpu cooler like the Hyper 212+ should be totally sufficient. I have one on my i7 3820 @4.0Ghz and it runs cool. Take the money saved from that and get more RAM - it costs next to nothing and you've got 8 DIMM slots on that board.

And, as serialkiller suggested, more monitors=more fun.

My $.02

P.S. The HAF is undoubtedly a good value, but look to Corsair for more innocuous looks.
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April 6, 2012 3:01:30 PM

Any suggestions between the Sabertooth and Rampage mobos?
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April 6, 2012 3:01:59 PM

I suggested h100 for its asthetics , bragging rights and as he had a deep pocket to fit that cooler

naf thanks for pointing out appericiated.

also more ram will be over kill.

And 1600mhz is all you need above that gains are next to none.

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April 6, 2012 3:08:24 PM

Rog motherboard are awesome with lots of features and the asthetics.

But the cons is that

1. it is overpriced
2. It has lots of useless features which you are never gonna use
3. it will burn a great hole in ypur pocket and the performance gain is next to none.

I to use rog motherboard but i have never used its features and i am advicing you that you will feel bad afterwards that you are been doped.

Also sabertooth has nice high quality components.

And has 5 years warrenty.

So the best bet is the sabertooth.

If you want to go tri sli then look at asus p9x79 ws motherboard.

It worth every penny
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April 6, 2012 3:10:39 PM

Will the 3820 be good enough for gaming, or should I consider the hex core 3930k?
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April 6, 2012 3:16:23 PM

How much is too much RAM? I'm seeing 32GB kits for christ sakes - and that sounds absurd.
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April 6, 2012 3:21:40 PM

A i7 is an overkill as i said before.

Games uses 2-4 cores and i7 provides 8 including virtual cores.

So i7 3930k will be overkill.

For the ram part.

Even the most heaviest games wont ead more than 7 gb of ram may be 8gb

but 32gb is redeculus.

More ram is needed when you do large scale video editing and rendering huge heavy sences on maya.

So 16 gb is more than enough for the next 2-5 years.
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April 6, 2012 3:39:55 PM

$3k is a high budget and any one would like to get the best for the money.so better wait for IB.and don't get H100.it's a bit better than air coolers but not a *true liquid cooling*.it's $100+ and still stock fans are crap.a good air cooler is enough to reach 4.5ghz.sabertooth is a great mobo.rampage iv extreme is for absolute bragging rights.any thing above 16gb is use less unless you wanna run a server.16gb will take care of your rendering and multi tasking.you can fit 2x680 in your budget.in fact you can buld one of the most powerful machines to the date.
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April 6, 2012 3:41:31 PM

indeed, the 3930k is overkill, as is 32GB of RAM.

But when I saw 32GB of RAM for $160, I said what the hell? Lets have some fun with a Ramdisk. I load large photoshop/indesign files onto it before working on them and it flies. But mostly it was just an experiment. 16GB is plenty future-proof.
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April 6, 2012 3:44:10 PM

The great thing about H100 is you have more room in your case. If he is not OCing or decides to do a mild OC, the fans will be barely spinning.
-Bruce
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April 6, 2012 3:45:21 PM

Given the 2011 platform and the i7-3820, I'll be able to upgrade to an IB cpu when they come out though right? Or, when they drop in price in a year or two?

Also, considering I'm only gaming at 1920x1080, is 2x680 really going to make a difference? I don't plan on doing eyefinity, and am happy with my dual monitors - one for game, one for reference text.
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April 6, 2012 3:46:52 PM

^but not worth the cost.
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April 6, 2012 3:48:52 PM

Ok if you are not gonna use eyefinity then ok dont get 2x 680 one will be enough.

And ive bridge is not supported on lga2011 but on lga 1155

if you can wait for ivebridge it will be worth it.
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April 6, 2012 3:52:40 PM

I'm reading lga2011 will support IB-E.. which is why I went with 2011 to begin with. Figured I could always upgrade later. Going to need to read deeper I guess if thats not the case :( 

Thanks for all the info so far!
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April 6, 2012 4:31:13 PM

Ivy Bridge is due out April 29th.

http://pcper.com/news/Processors/Intel-Ivy-Bridge-Proce... <----- Here's a price run down of the Ivy Bridge cpu's in $USD

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPa... <----- Z77 boards already for sale in Australia. In the past few years the Aussies have been getting the goodies a month ahead of the US and Canada including Sandy Bridge and the 1155 boards. The Aussies have already pulled some of the 1155 Cougar Point boards (H61/H67/P67/Z68) from their site. In fact a lot of those boards are no longer for sale on that site compared to last month.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5166/ivy-bridge-overview <----- Line-up of Ivy Bridge desktop cpu's to date.

Z77/Z75 motherboards (Panther Point chipset w/native USB 3.0) and PCI-E 3.0

http://www.asrock.com/microsite/PCIe3/overview.html <----- Quick and brief rundown of Ivy Bridge, PCI-E 3.0 cards and the new gen boards.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/index.asp?s=1155 <---- Asrocks Z77 and Z75 boards to date. They all get released with Ivy Bridge.

http://usa.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/Inte... <---- Asus Z77 board lineup to date.

http://www.gigabyte.us/products/list.aspx?s=42&jid=2&p=... <----- Gigabyte Z77 board lineup to date.

http://us.msi.com/product/mb/#/?sk=Socket%201155%20(Intel%20i3/i5/i7) <----- MSI Z77 board lineup to date.


http://www.anandtech.com/show/5626/ivy-bridge-preview-c... <---- Ivy Bridge cpu review with benchmarks



http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-680-overclock... <----- Overclocking the gtx 680 w/benchmarks




http://usa.asus.com/Motherboards/Intel_Socket_1155/P8Z7...
ASUS P8Z77 WS (4 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 dual x16 or x16, x8, x8 or quad x8)
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April 6, 2012 4:33:23 PM

rumors make real things :lol: 
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April 6, 2012 4:40:32 PM

So is intel gonna release ib-e :lol: 
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April 6, 2012 4:42:41 PM

yep,most of the products are released series wise.
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April 6, 2012 4:44:11 PM



Rumors are just that - some will be true and others.....
-Bruce
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April 6, 2012 4:48:27 PM

I will continue the sentence of moose

others will not be true.

Lets wait and watch.

Their is not real proof just rumers
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April 6, 2012 4:50:00 PM

Just wait until the end of this month and get the i7 3770k with a Asus or Gigabytes board which is two of the most reliable manufacturer...
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April 6, 2012 6:59:25 PM

If IB follows SB suit, you can expect ib-e to come out several months after regular ib. So if you're committed to x79/lga2011, now's the time to buy.
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April 6, 2012 7:23:20 PM

Here's another rumor - Q2/2013 for IB-E if at all. (according to x-bit labs)
But if,as you stated, you want to run games on ultra - z77 and IB will work fine.
Get the best GPU you can afford(SLI or Xfire if you want) and get a good PSU.
-Bruce
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April 6, 2012 7:25:16 PM

serialkiller said:
A i7 is an overkill as i said before.

Games uses 2-4 cores and i7 provides 8 including virtual cores.

So i7 3930k will be overkill.

For the ram part.

Even the most heaviest games wont ead more than 7 gb of ram may be 8gb

but 32gb is redeculus.

More ram is needed when you do large scale video editing and rendering huge heavy sences on maya.

So 16 gb is more than enough for the next 2-5 years.


LOL it does not have 8 cores, where not talking xeons here, it has 6 cores 12 threads, a 2500k/2600k would hafta be oc'd to 4.8ghz to reach a 3820 at 4.0ghz/secound you have an actually pcie3.0 slot and quad channel memory.
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April 6, 2012 7:38:33 PM

I7 3820 and i7 2600k has 4 real cores and 4 virtual cores .

The benifit of 3820 other than what you said is it has more catche
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April 6, 2012 7:42:15 PM

serialkiller said:
I7 3820 and i7 2600k has 4 real cores and 4 virtual cores .

The benifit of 3820 other than what you said is it has more catche


Nobody calls vitual cores, real cores and hes planning on buying a gtx 680 which is pcie3.0 why not opt for double the memory bandwidth on the internal data bus then go with the older slowe data bus:S specially when hes planning on spending 300 on a processor and 200 on a board it virtually the same price just one has better preformance more options and more future proof the lga 1155 seems outdated now
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April 6, 2012 8:33:39 PM

Gaming wise, the 1155 Ivy Bridge mops the floor with the 3820. It over clocks better, runs cooler, and uses a lot less juice. It's not even a fair comparison in regards to gaming. The 1155 Ivy Bridge will clean the SB-E 3820's clock 10 out of 10 times.
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April 6, 2012 8:53:51 PM

And when LGA 1155 becomes extinct, what then? He will have to spend needless money. LGA 2011 is the way to go as it will be around for a lot longer.
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April 6, 2012 9:05:38 PM

azeem40 said:
And when LGA 1155 becomes extinct, what then? He will have to spend needless money. LGA 2011 is the way to go as it will be around for a lot longer.

So when is it going to become "extinct"? Do you know when Haswell is due out? Link please.
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April 6, 2012 9:08:37 PM

Do you see anywhere in my post where I said the date?
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April 7, 2012 5:34:12 AM

Why_Me said:
Gaming wise, the 1155 Ivy Bridge mops the floor with the 3820. It over clocks better, runs cooler, and uses a lot less juice. It's not even a fair comparison in regards to gaming. The 1155 Ivy Bridge will clean the SB-E 3820's clock 10 out of 10 times.


good point but IB is the dead end.most likely it's not going to receive an update to any bridge.but SB-E will.
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April 7, 2012 5:38:50 AM

Why_Me said:
So when is it going to become "extinct"? Do you know when Haswell is due out? Link please.

If you have been reading the news on it, you should know that LGA 1155 is not going past IB-E.
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April 7, 2012 5:42:19 AM

hellfire24 said:
good point but IB is the dead end.most likely it's not going to receive an update to any bridge.but SB-E will.

True but I look at this way in regards to a gaming build.

1) SB-E = 7 on a scale to 10 for being good for gaming. Possible update (new cpu = $$$) in two years brings it to a 9 on that scale.

2) IB = 9 on a scale to 10 for being good for gaming.


So what we have is the SB-E build that not only cost more, run hotter, and use more juice, but it might be updated in a few years to perform maybe as well as the more inexpensive and better performing IB.


If I was going to spend my money on a gaming build, I think I would purchase what's best now and not what might be as good later on.
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April 7, 2012 7:47:49 AM

Why_Me said:
True but I look at this way in regards to a gaming build.

1) SB-E = 7 on a scale to 10 for being good for gaming. Possible update (new cpu = $$$) in two years brings it to a 9 on that scale.

2) IB = 9 on a scale to 10 for being good for gaming.


So what we have is the SB-E build that not only cost more, run hotter, and use more juice, but it might be updated in a few years to perform maybe as well as the more inexpensive and better performing IB.


If I was going to spend my money on a gaming build, I think I would purchase what's best now and not what might be as good later on.


i am also an "IB boy".but i want intel not to repeat the mistake of releasing IB-E cpus for $500+.i mean it's ridiculous!that's why 2500k is my favorite cpu.great performance for less price.
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December 11, 2012 8:20:23 PM

Hey. i5 2500k is in my build, and it is more than enough to handle games as long as your GPU is good. The MOBO on SB's are also very up to date anyways
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