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July 19, 2012 7:40:21 PM

hello everybody. im interested in buying a new gaming computer (i dont have time to build one :/  ) i intend to play games such as World of Warcraft, any of the Diablo's, maybe some League of legends, etc, on the highest setting possible. i have narrowed my search down to two computers. which of these two do you guys think would best suit my needs? also, i might bring this computer to college so it has to be able to multitask, run microsoft programs (that might just be OS...im not tech savy lol) as well as other stuff. your haste and advice is greatly apprectiated. :) 

1- http://www.bestbuy.com/site/iBuyPower+-+Gamer+Power+Des...

2- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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July 19, 2012 7:47:59 PM

The first one because of the i3.

They both have rather weak GPU's (the same one, a 6670), but you can always upgrade that, if you need to (possibly with a new PSU too, depending on how good the unit is that comes with the i3 machine. Not thinking it's too great, though).
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July 19, 2012 7:49:12 PM

Get the best buy thing.

U should go to PC store and put it together by yourself and save : )
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July 19, 2012 7:49:23 PM

The Best Buy computer with the Intel cpu would be your best option since both have the same video card. The Intel cpu being the stronger cpu in playing games and will do processing better also. AMD cpu's are not known for being god gaming cpu's.
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July 19, 2012 7:53:46 PM

The one from Bestbuy is running a Intel® Core i3-2120 at 3.3GHz so in that you have the fastest processor but the 6670 graphics on that system is old but the other system doesn't have as powerful of a processor and the graphics perform even worst. Really if you want to turn one of these into a gaming system you are going to be have to add in a video card. The Bestbuy system is the better of the two systems.
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July 19, 2012 7:59:44 PM

Agreed with what they said ^o^
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July 19, 2012 8:33:21 PM

nottechsavy said:
ok so ill go with the best buy one. so for a new graphics card, i was thinking..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

are they compatible? and how exctly would i switch them?


Definitely compatible, and I think the PSU will probably be good enough for that card (if it has a 6 pin PCIe power connector).

To switch them, just take the one the 6670 out, and put the new one in, in the same slot as the 6670 was in. You'll probably need to uninstall the drivers for the old card, and reinstall new drivers for the new card as well, just to make sure that everything works smoothly.
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July 19, 2012 8:41:10 PM

ok thanks. and on the offchance i do build, i have a question on harddrives. somebody told me i should get an ssd and a regular mecahnical hard drive for a better gaming computer. is this so? do i absolutely NEED an ssd?
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July 19, 2012 8:45:33 PM

nottechsavy said:
ok thanks. and on the offchance i do build, i have a question on harddrives. somebody told me i should get an ssd and a regular mecahnical hard drive for a better gaming computer. is this so? do i absolutely NEED an ssd?


For a pure gaming system, no, you don't really NEED a SSD (no extra FPS or anything, just faster load times), but it's still nice to have.
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July 19, 2012 8:52:46 PM

DJDeCiBeL said:
For a pure gaming system, no, you don't really NEED a SSD (no extra FPS or anything, just faster load times), but it's still nice to have.



could i always go back and put it in? or is it better to buy it now and install it now at the same time as everything else?
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July 19, 2012 8:57:18 PM

nottechsavy said:
could i always go back and put it in? or is it better to buy it now and install it now at the same time as everything else?


Well, since it's best to install the OS on the SSD, it's best to just get it when you first build to make things easier so you won't need to reinstall the OS later.

If you use an Intel CPU with a Z68 or Z77 mobo, you just can use Smart Response (no need to reinstall the OS), but having the OS and programs/games that you use the most on their own dedicated SSD, is best.
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July 19, 2012 8:59:12 PM

ok, disregard that last reply lol. i made a sample build and so far i have:

case
powersupply
cpu
mobo
hardrive
memory
graphics card
optical drive.

did i miss any other crucial parts? and what sort of accessories would i need (fans, other stuff, lol)
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July 19, 2012 9:00:10 PM

Keyboard + mouse : )

LCD
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July 19, 2012 9:00:47 PM

um not really but telling us what those parts are might really help you out
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July 19, 2012 9:04:26 PM

I would opt for the SSD for sure.

That is next to CPU best upgrade to speed up the PC.
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July 19, 2012 9:08:51 PM

case:Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm Fan, 1x Rear 120mm Fan, option Fans-2x Side 120mm Fan

Powersupply:o CZ ModXStream Pro 700W Modular High Performance Power Supply compatible with Intel Sandybridge Core i3 i5 i7 and AMD Phenom

cpu:Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I52500K

mobo:BIOSTAR TZ77A LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

harddrive:Samsung by Seagate Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ/ST500DM005 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

memory:Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX

graphics card:HIS iCooler H777F1G2M Radeon HD 7770 GHz Edition 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card

optical drive:LG DVD Burner 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model GH24NS90 - OEM
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July 20, 2012 2:41:59 AM

What are you working with for a budget?
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July 20, 2012 3:04:43 AM

$700 is really all I want to spend. Why do you think I should change what I have? Any particular reason?
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July 20, 2012 3:17:42 AM

Sony Optiarc 24X DVD Burner, Bulk Package 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model AD-7280S-0B - OEM
$17.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$79.99 and a $10 rebate makes the final price $69.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i5-2310 Sandy Bridge 2.9GHz (3.2GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 BX80623I52310
$179.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair Force Series GT CSSD-F120GBGT-BK 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
$119.99 and a $30 rebate makes the final price $89.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9B
$54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$119.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
$69.99 and a $10 rebate makes the final price $59.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ZOTAC AMP! ZT-50302-10M GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$209.99 and a $30 rebate makes the final price $179.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The total for this build comes to $772.92 and there are a couple of things to explian , the hard drive can start out as the SSD and load the OS onto it and maybe a game or two and then later after saving some money add the regular storage hard drive or you can add the hard drive mow if you have the budget for it.

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The video card is the most importand part of a gaming computer so you need the reserve the most money from the budget that you can for the video card , and in this case the card selected is the 560Ti and is a good gaming card.
So you can check out these choices and see what you think.
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July 20, 2012 3:24:59 AM

nottechsavy said:
$700 is really all I want to spend. Why do you think I should change what I have? Any particular reason?



The reason I would change the build to what I have selected is because if you built your computer as you have listed it and I built the one I listed , the computer that I build would get better gaming performance and with the SSD the overall performance of the Pc would be faster. The difference would also be price and to add the regular hard drive along with the SSD the cost would be $892 and that would be over the $700 budget.
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July 23, 2012 5:42:40 PM

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July 23, 2012 5:57:00 PM

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Sony Optiarc 24X DVD Burner, Bulk Package 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model AD-7280S-0B - OEM
$17.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Storm Scout SGC-2000-KKN1-GP Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$79.99 and a $10 rebate makes the final price $69.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i5-2310 Sandy Bridge 2.9GHz (3.2GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 2000 BX80623I52310
$179.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair Force Series GT CSSD-F120GBGT-BK 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
$119.99 and a $30 rebate makes the final price $89.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML8GX3M2A1600C9B
$54.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$119.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
$69.99 and a $10 rebate makes the final price $59.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ZOTAC AMP! ZT-50302-10M GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
$209.99 and a $30 rebate makes the final price $179.99.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The total for this build comes to $772.92 and there are a couple of things to explian , the hard drive can start out as the SSD and load the OS onto it and maybe a game or two and then later after saving some money add the regular storage hard drive or you can add the hard drive mow if you have the budget for it.

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$109.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The video card is the most importand part of a gaming computer so you need the reserve the most money from the budget that you can for the video card , and in this case the card selected is the 560Ti and is a good gaming card.
So you can check out these choices and see what you think.




thanks alot man! i really appreciated these suggestions and have replaced many of my own with these, but i have a question though. why switch the vid cards? i looked at reviews for each and my original doesnt get too hot, can run wow, diablo, etc on high whilst the one you suggested gets realllllllyyyy hot and wasnt as positively rated in the forums and neweggs feedback tab. how has t worked for you?
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July 23, 2012 9:35:53 PM

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

One of the reasons that I had switched the video cards was the good rebate Zotac was offering and it allowed me to get that card into the build and not crush the budget. As I had said in the post the single most important part in a gaming computer is he video card and you have to get the highest model you can within your budget.
The reason that those feedback complaints were coming in about the heat is because all thiose people were trying to play Crysis 2 and BF3 on high settings with that card. Those two games are the two single most demanding games on video cards that there is and that list also includes Metro 2033. Those games will heat up any card or cards and you need very good case ventilation to help out cooling the video card when playing those games. I have two GTX 580's and BF 3 can heat up those two cards and I also have water cooling and I can feel the heat coming off the radiator when playing that game. You will get the same thing if you take a lower model card and try to play those games on high and they will either heat up the card to a high temp or the game may not even run. The HD 7770 video card that you had chosen is several levels below the 560Ti and you will have to play BF3 or Crysis 2 on low and low resolution to get the game to play. Other games that are not so video card demanding will not have any problems with the 560Ti and there will not be any heat issues.
One thing you can do is if your not in a rush to build your Pc , Nvidia just announced the 660Ti card and will soon be hitting the online stores , this is the replacement card for the 560Ti and will give the same game performance as the current GTX 580. The chart I linked above shows the different levels that cards fall into from both Nvidia and AMD so you can compare video cards and make a choice if you can't wait and want something different than a 560Ti or HD 7770.
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