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April 5, 2012 1:59:29 AM

So I'll estimate that I'll be getting ABOUT 800 dollars by the END of june/ school because that is when I stop working.

I'm looking for computer parts or a good enough laptop that can max (no antialiasing or v-sync) or play games on high quality such as Bf3, Skyrim, or The Witcher 2.

If I were to build my own computer, how much would it cost me (including monitor and windows 7)? Also, links to parts for cheap is appreciated :D 

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April 5, 2012 2:14:51 AM

i3-2100
asrock z68 extreme 3 gen3
8gb corsair vengeance
Radeon 6870
Seasonic MII 520W
Corsair 400R
500GB Seasonic HDD
Windows 7
25 inch monitor.
April 5, 2012 2:21:28 AM

amuffin said:
i3-2100
asrock z68 extreme 3 gen3
8gb corsair vengeance
Radeon 6870
Seasonic MII 520W
Corsair 400R
500GB Seasonic HDD
Windows 7
25 inch monitor.


Did you mean 500GB Seagate HDD?

And he could even drop to the Corsair 300R, save a bit of money and maybe up the CPU or GPU a bit.
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April 5, 2012 2:42:42 AM

jimmysmitty said:
Did you mean 500GB Seagate HDD?

And he could even drop to the Corsair 300R, save a bit of money and maybe up the CPU or GPU a bit.


Is that i3 a quad core?
April 5, 2012 2:43:43 AM

jimmysmitty said:
Did you mean 500GB Seagate HDD?

And he could even drop to the Corsair 300R, save a bit of money and maybe up the CPU or GPU a bit.

Either the Hitachi 500GB or this samsung one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... He could also either get the HAF 912 or Antec 300.
April 5, 2012 2:44:51 AM

baber925 said:
Is that i3 a quad core?

No, it is a dual core hyper threaded to 4 virtual cores. However, games rarely use more than 3 cores so it doesn't matter. The i3 is also the best option because of upgrading. You can upgrade to a sandybridge i5, i7 or even an ivybridge i3, i5, or i7.
April 5, 2012 2:48:52 AM

amuffin said:
i3-2100
asrock z68 extreme 3 gen3
8gb corsair vengeance
Radeon 6870
Seasonic MII 520W
Corsair 400R
500GB Seasonic HDD
Windows 7
25 inch monitor.


What case would I need for this?
April 5, 2012 2:53:11 AM

amuffin said:
i3-2100
asrock z68 extreme 3 gen3
8gb corsair vengeance
Radeon 6870
Seasonic MII 520W
Corsair 400R
500GB Seasonic HDD
Windows 7
25 inch monitor.


What optical drive and cpu cooler would you recommend?
April 5, 2012 2:53:21 AM

It's either going to be the Corsair 400R, 300R, or Haf 912 or Antec 300.
April 5, 2012 2:59:41 AM

Do the Corsair 300R. Its like a 400R but a bit smaller. Plus the Antec 300 is meh and the HAFs are not that attractive. Well not to me anyways.
April 5, 2012 3:03:40 AM

Bitfenix? Or some fractal design case?
April 5, 2012 3:04:45 AM

Sorry for being such a newb btw.
April 5, 2012 3:13:40 AM

You don't need a cooler, the i3 comes with one. There are cheaper cases out there, such as the bitfenix outlaw.
April 5, 2012 4:51:49 PM

I assume that I would get a similar (if not better?) framerate than the person who recorded this gameplay

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbFFJf-Hcq8

Is it safe to assume so? And no I don't plan to play on ultra like him/ her. I'd play on high settings (if I can) without antialiasing and V-sync.

Any idea of how many frames I would get with The witcher 2? Without anti-aliasing, V-sync, and uber-sampling.
April 5, 2012 6:30:59 PM

amuffin said:
You don't need a cooler, the i3 comes with one. There are cheaper cases out there, such as the bitfenix outlaw.



Changed the PSU and monitor to squeeze the price down a bit for games.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6tNF

Would there be any diff. between the Logisys 550w and the Seasonic psu 520w, other than the wattage and price?

The Seasonic one you recommended for me was more expensive than the Logisys.
April 5, 2012 7:18:29 PM

Seasonic is much better quality, logisys is one of those put in system and it will blow up later on. Seasonic ftw!
April 5, 2012 7:56:15 PM

amuffin said:
Seasonic is much better quality, logisys is one of those put in system and it will blow up later on. Seasonic ftw!


Is there any way I can use a laptop as a monitor and keyboard? I'm trying to cut corners so that I can afford some games after I get and build the pc.

Also, I do need thermal paste for the i3, right?
April 5, 2012 8:18:11 PM

i3 running BF3 - I haven't tried it obviously, but I am not too optomistic. Most important components for BF will be CPU & GPU. Don't skimp on them or you'll be incredibly frustrated. There is more than one way to skin that cat, but here's my thoughts:

ASUS P8H67-V ($105)
i5-2500K ($220)
4X4GB Corsair DDR3 ($90)
EVGA 560ti (448 cores) ($230 after rebate)
Antec 750W PS ($78.50 after promo and rebate) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)
Cooler Master HAF ($50 after rebate)
WD 500 GB ($85)
Win7 (students only): ($65)
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/en_US/pd/pr...

You could probably downgrade to the i5-2400 but I wouldn't rock an i3 - you'll just have to upgrade down the road. As in all things, you get exactly what you pay for.
April 5, 2012 8:27:17 PM

why would you go with the i3 for $800 build with a z68 unless he wants to upgrade which I doubt he would be able to as he won't have more money coming in. get a i5 2400 with an h61 mobo for the same price.

i5 2400- $190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Asrock H61 mobo-$55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
gskill ripjaw 1600 8 gb - $47
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
samsung f3 500 gb - $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
evga 560 ti - $200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
corsair cx500 - $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
case - $60
windows- $110
diskdrive- $20
monitor - $150
Total :922

given all the price for the parts would most likely be lower by the time you build this computer, I would say it would all fit in $800. Could find a cheaper hard drive and go with a 6870 to save a bit of money too.
April 5, 2012 8:31:47 PM

game junky said:
i3 running BF3 - I haven't tried it obviously, but I am not too optomistic. Most important components for BF will be CPU & GPU. Don't skimp on them or you'll be incredibly frustrated. There is more than one way to skin that cat, but here's my thoughts:

ASUS P8H67-V ($105)
i5-2500K ($220)
4X4GB Corsair DDR3 ($90)
EVGA 560ti (448 cores) ($230 after rebate)
Antec 750W PS ($78.50 after promo and rebate) (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...)
Cooler Master HAF ($50 after rebate)
WD 500 GB ($85)
Win7 (students only): ($65)
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/en_US/pd/pr...

You could probably downgrade to the i5-2400 but I wouldn't rock an i3 - you'll just have to upgrade down the road. As in all things, you get exactly what you pay for.


I'm well aware that I'd have to upgrade my computer from time to time.

Just came about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnTqgKgRdo0

I'd hope that I'd get a good framerate with bf3 seeing as (I'm just guessing) his gpu is (older?) than mine is and has less dedicated memory.

But, just one problem I'd have with the i5. I'd be off by about 60 dollars, leaving me unable to purchase bf3. Though, If I can probably get the parts used, that hopefully would be saving me some money.
April 5, 2012 8:33:06 PM

campaign is different from multiplayer.

you need an i5 if you want to play multiplayer smoothly.
April 5, 2012 8:58:47 PM

Quote:
campaign is different from multiplayer.

you need an i5 if you want to play multiplayer smoothly.


Do you mean that if I can play campaign on ultra, that I'd have to play multiplayer on high settings for example?
April 5, 2012 9:04:13 PM

no, I mean the cpu won't be able to run multiplayer well at all because it needs more than what the i3 can do.

BF3 single player uses only 2 cores but in multi player, it uses up to 6 cores. The i3 would run worse than any quad core cpu in multi player. Even lowering the setting would probably not help since you just don't have the cpu power to calculate all the things other people are doing.
April 5, 2012 9:28:47 PM

esrever said:
no, I mean the cpu won't be able to run multiplayer well at all because it needs more than what the i3 can do.

BF3 single player uses only 2 cores but in multi player, it uses up to 6 cores. The i3 would run worse than any quad core cpu in multi player. Even lowering the setting would probably not help since you just don't have the cpu power to calculate all the things other people are doing.


What kind of frame rate would you expect? And on what settings?
April 5, 2012 9:37:40 PM

I would expect 30-40 fps on an i3 with noticeable stuttering in multiplayer. I would say shell out for the i5 if you have the money. Its mostly going to be the random spikes of fps drops thats going to be annoying with the i3. Setting will probably have little affect on cpu performance but some of them might give you a bit more playable experience.

I would say the system I posted should get 50-60 fps on high at 1080p. With the i3 it would probably drop to 30-50.
April 5, 2012 10:01:56 PM

esrever said:
I would expect 30-40 fps on an i3 with noticeable stuttering in multiplayer. I would say shell out for the i5 if you have the money. Its mostly going to be the random spikes of fps drops thats going to be annoying with the i3. Setting will probably have little affect on cpu performance but some of them might give you a bit more playable experience.

I would say the system I posted should get 50-60 fps on high at 1080p. With the i3 it would probably drop to 30-50.


Allright, thanks for the help!

I think I'm gonna stick with the i3 for now. I don't have enough money for the i5 but I'll eventually get it and some other parts for my computer.

Edit: Forgot to add that I might be able to sell my current lappy.

Its decent enough for a low end laptop.

Might get 200 to 300 out of it.

Pentium Dual Core @ 2.3Ghz
4Gb ram
217GB hdd space
Intel Gma 4500mHD (modded drivers)
April 5, 2012 10:09:33 PM

No point of getting any h61/67 boards.
April 5, 2012 10:33:59 PM

amuffin said:
No point of getting any h61/67 boards.


What do you mean?
April 6, 2012 12:59:07 AM

Would I have to get another motherboard in order to upgrade to i5 2500k? (just for future reference)
April 6, 2012 1:03:51 AM

you don't have to buy another mobo to upgrade to a i5 2500k.
April 6, 2012 2:42:02 AM

Changed the case to one of the lowest priced mid-sized case. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/6uSo

Removed monitor due to the fact that I might use my laptop as one (if possible) or might just sell it and get an i5 and a monitor.

What do you guys think?
April 6, 2012 4:13:40 AM

baber925 said:

Removed monitor due to the fact that I might use my laptop as one (if possible)



Nope. There's no ports to plug into.
April 6, 2012 6:49:49 AM

No point of H61/H67, because ivybridge is right around the corner. Those boards have less features and most of them aren't even supported.
April 6, 2012 1:36:58 PM

baber925 said:
I'm well aware that I'd have to upgrade my computer from time to time.

Just came about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnTqgKgRdo0

I'd hope that I'd get a good framerate with bf3 seeing as (I'm just guessing) his gpu is (older?) than mine is and has less dedicated memory.

But, just one problem I'd have with the i5. I'd be off by about 60 dollars, leaving me unable to purchase bf3. Though, If I can probably get the parts used, that hopefully would be saving me some money.


Multiplayer is a different animal than the campaign - will the i3 play the game, yes. Will you enjoy your experience due to hardware lag and freezes, probably not.

Switch out CPU to the i5-2400 ($189)
Switch RAM to a Corsair 8GB kit (2X4GB) ($28 after rebate)

You'll want to pull the trigger on certain parts whenever you see a steal of a deal because price will go up on certain components. I would select a part and then price-shop between Microcenter, Newegg and Amazon.

I went the AMD route on my rig due to cost constraints - I have an FX-8150, an ASUS 990FX Sabertooth, an ASUS 560 GPU, 16 GB of Corsair RAM and I have my settings on High w/ no motion blur or anti-aliasing. I'll notice a slight difference in performance on the Karkand maps but I am very happy with my setup and I spent under $800 for my rig.
April 6, 2012 4:41:27 PM

game junky said:
Multiplayer is a different animal than the campaign - will the i3 play the game, yes. Will you enjoy your experience due to hardware lag and freezes, probably not.

Switch out CPU to the i5-2400 ($189)
Switch RAM to a Corsair 8GB kit (2X4GB) ($28 after rebate)

You'll want to pull the trigger on certain parts whenever you see a steal of a deal because price will go up on certain components. I would select a part and then price-shop between Microcenter, Newegg and Amazon.

I went the AMD route on my rig due to cost constraints - I have an FX-8150, an ASUS 990FX Sabertooth, an ASUS 560 GPU, 16 GB of Corsair RAM and I have my settings on High w/ no motion blur or anti-aliasing. I'll notice a slight difference in performance on the Karkand maps but I am very happy with my setup and I spent under $800 for my rig.


I'll see what I can do. Lets hope for the best I make like 600 something dollars and am able to sell my current laptop for 300.
April 6, 2012 7:40:16 PM

it will play it no problem. nearly maxed without much aa.
April 7, 2012 5:31:16 AM

that will work
April 7, 2012 5:57:33 AM

baber925 said:
Anyone know if this case: http://www.amazon.com/Xion-XON-570-Steel-Tower-Computer... would work with the parts that were recomended to me by amuffin.

Probably my last question, but does a motherboard come with a built in audiocard and wifi chipset thing?

No wifi chip, you will have to purchase either a usb wifi dongle or a pci wifi card. Though If I were playing BF3 I wouldn't be using wifi anyways... :lol: 
April 7, 2012 10:00:59 AM

This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Systems by Mousemonkey
April 8, 2012 4:14:31 PM

amuffin said:
No wifi chip, you will have to purchase either a usb wifi dongle or a pci wifi card. Though If I were playing BF3 I wouldn't be using wifi anyways... :lol: 


:lol:  I see your point. Battlefield Bad Company 2 for me had always given me this strange high ping/ internet lag problem.
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