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April 8, 2012 2:17:47 AM

Hello, Id like to build this computer.
Which will cost me $412.50.
Id like to know if these will work perfectly fine.
Feel free to change my list
Will this bottleneck? and is the PSU that comes with the case fine?
Will the components run with each other?
I will not be overclocking
I DONT need a OS,KEYBOARD and mouse, monitor, dvd drive
I will be using this for mainly light gaming - COD4, Minecraft. and a bit of heavy gaming - bf3, mw3,skyrim etc.
Ill be assembiling these parts in australia.
im not gonna crossfire or sli.
ill be playing on 1280x768
Thats all thanks guys.
I will be building this on tuesday (after easter monday).
and my budget is up to 430 maybe 450 depends.

Intel G850 $75.50 ARC computers
4GB G-Skill $22 MSY
Nvidia 465 $119 MSY
GIGABYTE H61M-S2P-B3 $56 MSY
HDD Seagate SATA3 500gb $75 MSY
COOLERMASTER ELITE RC 335 with 420W PSU - $65 msy
FINAL 412.50

are the parts im looking at:
http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf
arc.com.au

This will be my first build so im excited
Sorry i had to repost my last post was put into the wrong section.
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April 8, 2012 2:44:54 AM

Whoops I missed that sorry, Do you plan to use this machine for anything other than gaming ??

The reason I ask is granted most games don't use more than 2 cores and the G850 will game fine, for now... Dual core CPU's are on their way out as the market is shifting towards 4X and even 6X CPU's and I can only imagine that the game creators will begin do design their engines to utilize more cores for more game performance.

I could suggest other configurations that would be at a "slightly" higher price point, maybe $450 tops. Any of these configurations would be 4X based and there for providing MUCH better all around computing performance as well as more future-proofing for future games and softwares.
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April 8, 2012 2:46:19 AM

Please read the sticky at the top and edit your post accordingly.
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April 8, 2012 3:03:00 AM

cmi86 said:
Whoops I missed that sorry, Do you plan to use this machine for anything other than gaming ??

The reason I ask is granted most games don't use more than 2 cores and the G850 will game fine, for now... Dual core CPU's are on their way out as the market is shifting towards 4X and even 6X CPU's and I can only imagine that the game creators will begin do design their engines to utilize more cores for more game performance.

I could suggest other configurations that would be at a "slightly" higher price point, maybe $450 tops. Any of these configurations would be 4X based and there for providing MUCH better all around computing performance as well as more future-proofing for future games and softwares.

Yeh well what can i get thats a cheap quad core it will cost me a extra 100 im using this mainly for gaming, maybe some school work. if i did get a quad core id have to get a fx or a athlon from amd which isnt very good since i doont want to overclock otherwise i need to upgrade my PSU
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April 8, 2012 3:07:49 AM

No, you can get an i5, but that's out of your range. However, PLEASE edit your post, otherwise, we won't be able to help you. Also, you forgot a case in your build.
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April 8, 2012 3:10:30 AM

obsama1 said:
No, you can get an i5, but that's out of your range. However, PLEASE edit your post, otherwise, we won't be able to help you. Also, you forgot a case in your build.

im done editing how does it look? :p 
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April 8, 2012 3:14:01 AM

get a corsair/seasonic/xfx PSU instead, and get a 6770 for gaming. Get a case. I suggest a cheap $40 case.
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April 8, 2012 3:15:50 AM

andy1998 said:
Yeh well what can i get thats a cheap quad core it will cost me a extra 100 im using this mainly for gaming, maybe some school work. if i did get a quad core id have to get a fx or a athlon from amd which isnt very good since i doont want to overclock otherwise i need to upgrade my PSU


No you can get a phenom II that at 3.8Ghz (no or barely any voltage adj necessary) that will give the G850 a royal round house kick to the face in just about every way shape and form.
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April 8, 2012 3:21:15 AM

cmi86 said:
No you can get a phenom II that at 3.8Ghz (no or barely any voltage adj necessary) that will give the G850 a royal round house kick to the face in just about every way shape and form.

I cannot find any shop selling a phenom II and if i do it costs double the money than a g850
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April 8, 2012 3:25:04 AM

cmi86 said:
No you can get a phenom II that at 3.8Ghz (no or barely any voltage adj necessary) that will give the G850 a royal round house kick to the face in just about every way shape and form.

Best i can do is try my luck by getting a phenom ii x2 555 BE and trying to unlock it to a X4 B55 but u need to be very lucky to unlock all the cores
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April 8, 2012 3:27:26 AM

Starting off, your CPU is a bit weak for gaming. The reason behind that is the fact that its a dual core. However, accounting that is a Sandy Bridge, it should be fine with current games provided that your graphics card can keep up. If this build is to be upgraded soon, then I strongly suggest you to get a quad core. But if your not, the CPU of recommendation would be a Core i3 2100. The i3 2100 is a strong CPU, even beating AMD quad cores and six cores in gaming. This all comes down to what are you going to do with it. If your gaming, then head towards the i3 2100 but for everyday use stick with your G850.

Your ram is fine for gaming. G Skill is a good brand for enthusiast and allows tight timings. I don't recommend changing. But it would serve you better if you upgraded to 8GB later on.

Most concerning would be your graphics card. Its outdated but still powerful and would yield high fps. I would recommend getting the Nvidia 560 or the 6850 if your budget allows it. The Nvidia 465 is fine for gaming but for future proofing it would be better to wait for kepler or get the 6850.

The motherboard you are using would limit your options to overclock. The H61 chipset only allows overclocking of iGPU, no more. If you are going to upgrade your computer in the nearby future then a different chipset motherboard is recommended. But if your not upgrading then this motherboard is more than sufficient for normal use.

Your chosen HDD is SATA 3 however your motherboard only supports SATA 2. Make sure you choose parts that suits your motherboard.

The PSU that comes with your case is JUST sufficient for needs. The fact that its generic means actually power output would be less. I'd recommend upgrading your PSU to at least 500w. Do not under estimate your case. It determines the cooling of your computer and what your can install in it.

You current build is fine, other than your graphics card.

Im1337at69
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April 8, 2012 3:31:21 AM

AMD is significantly weaker than Intel in gaming. Even at 3.8ghz the fps offered by it is largely lower than the G850. Its not about how many cores you have, its about the architecture of your CPU. That's why eight core Bulldozers lost to dual core i3 2100 in gaming. And not to mention the fact, it would cost you a lot more. You need to see actually benchmarks and read review before posting.
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April 8, 2012 3:36:05 AM

obsama1 said:
get a corsair/seasonic/xfx PSU instead, and get a 6770 for gaming. Get a case. I suggest a cheap $40 case.

I'd too recommend getting a corsair/seasonic/antec PSU. But that would go over OP's budget. A 6770 is not better than the 465 in gaming. Don't slack off on your case. It determines the cooling of your computer. eg. How many fans does your computer have, or The noise level of your computer. Every part of your choice should be of quality not cheap.
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April 8, 2012 3:38:09 AM

billgates8889 said:
AMD is significantly weaker than Intel in gaming. Even at 3.8ghz the fps offered by it is largely lower than the G850. Its not about how many cores you have, its about the architecture of your CPU. That's why eight core Bulldozers lost to dual core i3 2100 in gaming. And not to mention the fact, it would cost you a lot more. You need to see actually benchmarks and read review before posting.


well if i go for a 6850 id rather get a 560 which is a bit too much for me :( 
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April 8, 2012 3:41:54 AM

Common good cheap PSU is the corsair 430w it is $58 If you do get a 6870 or 560 (they perform almost the same just the 6870 is cheaper) you will need a power supply that has two PCI-E connectors vs one like this PSU.
Corsair CX430

As for case get this its $43
Coolermaster RC371

If possible at least go with an i3-2130 preferably since you can never overclock or you can stick with the G850 and plan to upgrade in about 6 months which is the best option if you can end with an i5. By then you may even be able to get the ivy bridge processors or at least the prices on sandy bridge will be lower.

Motherboard is fine, unless you plan to overclock in the future (if you get i5).

There is a problem with your memory you are only getting one stick and instead have to get two each 2GB so the 4GB kit G.Skill is $26

For GPU get either a 6770 or 6850 the cheapest models are fine.

Sorry about all the price increased guess it will still be a $4xx build but most likely a $499 build.

Side not that website's list is one of the most annoying ways of picking out parts.
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April 8, 2012 4:05:49 AM

andrewcarr said:
Common good cheap PSU is the corsair 430w it is $58 If you do get a 6870 or 560 (they perform almost the same just the 6870 is cheaper) you will need a power supply that has two PCI-E connectors vs one like this PSU.
Corsair CX430

As for case get this its $43
Coolermaster RC371

If possible at least go with an i3-2130 preferably since you can never overclock or you can stick with the G850 and plan to upgrade in about 6 months which is the best option if you can end with an i5. By then you may even be able to get the ivy bridge processors or at least the prices on sandy bridge will be lower.

Motherboard is fine, unless you plan to overclock in the future (if you get i5).

There is a problem with your memory you are only getting one stick and instead have to get two each 2GB so the 4GB kit G.Skill is $26

For GPU get either a 6770 or 6850 the cheapest models are fine.

Sorry about all the price increased guess it will still be a $4xx build but most likely a $499 build.

Side not that website's list is one of the most annoying ways of picking out parts.

I haven't look at cases without PSU so I don't which one to recommend. But why go with a i3 2130? A i3 2100 would be more or less the same performance for a lower price. But I don't think upgrading in the next 6 months are a good idea. Having a Ivy bridge CPU is useless when paired with an under performing graphics card. An i3 2100 would provide the best for his current budget levels.
Forget about getting two sticks of memory. One stick of memory will do, and leaves the slot open for an extra stick. You will need 8GB of ram quite soon.
I'd don't recommend a strong GPU at his resolution. A 6850 would be more than sufficient for gaming at 1280*768. A 7750 would be a better choice. But that being said, the 465 is a strong card and I don't recommend against it.
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April 8, 2012 4:20:53 AM

Well when my mother gets back ill talk to her about getting a GTX 560 try to convince her that it uses less power. lol
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April 8, 2012 4:26:00 AM

billgates8889 said:
I haven't look at cases without PSU so I don't which one to recommend. But why go with a i3 2130? A i3 2100 would be more or less the same performance for a lower price. But I don't think upgrading in the next 6 months are a good idea. Having a Ivy bridge CPU is useless when paired with an under performing graphics card. An i3 2100 would provide the best for his current budget levels.
Forget about getting two sticks of memory. One stick of memory will do, and leaves the slot open for an extra stick. You will need 8GB of ram quite soon.
I'd don't recommend a strong GPU at his resolution. A 6850 would be more than sufficient for gaming at 1280*768. A 7750 would be a better choice. But that being said, the 465 is a strong card and I don't recommend against it.

$3 for 100 MHz? I will take it in half a second if I had a low budget.
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April 8, 2012 4:30:04 AM

Here are the two variants of my recommendation for BUDGET $450. One features stronger CPU whilst the other stronger GPU. A stronger CPU would benefit you more when gaming at such low resolutions. Also a stronger CPU would allow you to have better graphics card upgrades without buying a new CPU. Variant 2 has a stronger GPU which would lead to marginally higher FPS.

Variant 1
CPU: INTEL Core i3 2100 $115.57
MOBO: GIGABYTE H61M-S2P-B3 $56
GPU: MSI 6770 $89
RAM: G-SKILL 4GB $22
HDD: SEAGATE 500GB $75
Case: Coolermaster RC371 $43
PSU: Corsair CX 430 $58
Total: $458.57


Variant 2
CPU: INTEL Core G850 $77.79
MOBO: GIGABYTE H61M-S2P-B3 $56
GPU: HIS 6790 $122
RAM: G-SKILL 4GB $22
HDD: SEAGATE 500GB $75
Case: Coolermaster RC371 $43
PSU: Corsair CX 430 $58
Total: $453.79

or

CPU: INTEL Core G850 $77.79
MOBO: GIGABYTE H61M-S2P-B3 $56
GPU: POWERCOLOUR 6870 $160
RAM: G-SKILL 4GB $22
HDD: SEAGATE 500GB $75
Case: COOLERMASTER ELITE RC 335 with 420W PSU $65
Total: $455.79
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April 8, 2012 4:32:46 AM

andy1998 said:
Well when my mother gets back ill talk to her about getting a GTX 560 try to convince her that it uses less power. lol

How are you going to fit it into your budget? And not to mention the G850 will bottleneck the 560 are your resolution. Which would mean you need to upgrade your CPU and there goes your budget.
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April 8, 2012 4:34:17 AM

billgates8889 said:
Here are the two variants of my recommendation for BUDGET $450. One features stronger CPU whilst the other stronger GPU. A stronger CPU would benefit you more when gaming at such low resolutions. Also a stronger CPU would allow you to have better graphics card upgrades without buying a new CPU. Variant 2 has a stronger GPU which would lead to marginally higher FPS.

Variant 1
CPU: INTEL Core i3 2100 $115.57
MOBO: GIGABYTE H61M-S2P-B3 $56
GPU: MSI 6770 $89
RAM: G-SKILL 4GB $22
HDD: SEAGATE 500GB $75
Case: Coolermaster RC371 $43
PSU: Corsair CX 430 $58
Total: $458.57


Variant 2
CPU: INTEL Core G850 $77.79
MOBO: GIGABYTE H61M-S2P-B3 $56
GPU: HIS 6790 $122
RAM: G-SKILL 4GB $22
HDD: SEAGATE 500GB $75
Case: Coolermaster RC371 $43
PSU: Corsair CX 430 $58
Total: $453.79

or

CPU: INTEL Core G850 $77.79
MOBO: GIGABYTE H61M-S2P-B3 $56
GPU: POWERCOLOUR 6870 $160
RAM: G-SKILL 4GB $22
HDD: SEAGATE 500GB $75
Case: COOLERMASTER ELITE RC 335 with 420W PSU $65
Total: $455.79


I think ill go with 3 and upgrade the CPU when haswell comes out, i dont really care of bottleneck i can always lower res by a little.
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April 8, 2012 4:35:06 AM

Reasoning behind the CPU is that you can never overclock it so no option if you want it a bit faster.

Your ram only runs at half speed if you don't have it in dual channel configuration.
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April 8, 2012 4:36:04 AM

A comparable AMD CPU to the G850 will not fair well.
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April 8, 2012 4:36:43 AM

andrewcarr said:
Reasoning behind the CPU is that you can never overclock it so no option if you want it a bit faster.

Your ram only runs at half speed if you don't have it in dual channel configuration.


Sorry noob question how much does dual ram vs normal ram differ?
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April 8, 2012 4:38:59 AM

It will be half as fast so 1333 runs at 667 normally.
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April 8, 2012 4:42:58 AM

Also there won't be a bottleneck by your chosen CPU because in the comparison they were using a 7970 and that CPU performed above a Phenom II 955 (granted it was the 860 which is 3.0GHz vs 2.9GHz).
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

Lastly don't get the 560 when the 6870 is cheaper and performs the same.
But you then need the Antec Neo Eco 520W PSU for $67

billgates8889 the 6870 won't work with that PSU.
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April 8, 2012 5:04:26 AM

andrewcarr said:
Reasoning behind the CPU is that you can never overclock it so no option if you want it a bit faster.

Your ram only runs at half speed if you don't have it in dual channel configuration.


A bit faster is not worth $20. i3 2100 is enough for what he is running. No need for the extra 200mhz.

RAM runs at full speed no matter if its configured in one stick or two stick, Using two sticks mean that your RAM would run twice as fast. To clarify things
1stick: normal speed (1333 mhz)
2 sticks: same speed (1333 mhz) Twice as fast when compared to 1 stick.
But if you were to add more ram, then the second stick would have to become useless. Useless = wasted money.
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April 8, 2012 5:06:35 AM

The i3-2120 is only $3 more for 100 MHz. Good deal IMO.
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April 8, 2012 5:19:25 AM

Core i3 2100 cost $115.57
Core i3 2120 cost $122.36
Difference $6.79. Totally not worth it. The whole idea was to keep the total price down.
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April 8, 2012 5:20:13 AM

Here is what I would get.

CPU G850 $82

PSU Antec Neo Eco 520 W (supports upgraded GPU which has two PCI-E connectors) $67

Case Coolermaster RC371 $43

GPU 1G 6870 Powercolor (better than the other at a comparable price) $160

HDD Hitachi Deskstar 7200rpm 500G (Hitachi is more reliable that Seagate is) $74

MoBo MSI H61M-P21 (works and has solid capacitors) $49

Memory 4G Kit 1333 Patriot-S (brand won't matter if you're not overclocking) $24

Total is $499 (under $500)

If you can add a second fan to the case Coolermaster 120mm $6.

If you can't afford to get this I would get all the parts except the GPU. Then when you have the money you can get it. If you do this I would also get the i3 to start (prefer the 2120 because only $9 more for 0.2 GHz faster). You'll be fine with 4GB of ram I have never been able to use that much on mine.
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April 8, 2012 5:22:06 AM

So you really think $7 is a big saving to not go for i3-2120. That's ridiculous. $7 won't make any difference in keeping the cost down.
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April 8, 2012 5:24:53 AM

andrewcarr said:
Here is what I would get.

CPU G850 $82

PSU Antec Neo Eco 520 W (supports upgraded GPU which has two PCI-E connectors) $67

Case Coolermaster RC371 $43

GPU 1G 6870 Powercolor (better than the other at a comparable price) $160

HDD Hitachi Deskstar 7200rpm 500G (Hitachi is more reliable that Seagate is) $74

MoBo MSI H61M-P21 (works and has solid capacitors) $49

Memory 4G Kit 1333 Patriot-S (brand won't matter if you're not overclocking) $24

Total is $499 (under $500)

If you can add a second fan to the case Coolermaster 120mm $6.

If you can't afford to get this I would get all the parts except the GPU. Then when you have the money you can get it. If you do this I would also get the i3 to start (prefer the 2120 because only $9 more for 0.2 GHz faster). You'll be fine with 4GB of ram I have never been able to use that much on mine.


Why do i need to seperate the psu with the case the 6870 uses less energy as the 465 which means i can now even get a less power psu but i decided to stay the same since i like coolermaster
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April 8, 2012 5:27:14 AM

The PSUs that come with the case are crap, low quality units.
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April 8, 2012 5:34:08 AM

Revised

Variant 1
CPU: INTEL Core i3 2120 $122.36
MOBO: GIGABYTE H61M-S2P-B3 $56
GPU: MSI 6770 $89
RAM: G-SKILL 4GB $22
HDD: SEAGATE 500GB $75
Case: Coolermaster RC371 $43
PSU: Corsair CX 430 $58
Total: $465.36


Variant 2
CPU: INTEL Core G850 $77.79
MOBO: GIGABYTE H61M-S2P-B3 $56
GPU: HIS 6790 $122
RAM: G-SKILL 4GB $22
HDD: SEAGATE 500GB $75
Case: Coolermaster RC371 $43
PSU: Antec Neo Eco 520w $67
Total: $462.79
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April 8, 2012 5:34:12 AM

andrewcarr said:
The PSU has to have two PCI-E connectors that has only one if any. Also you want a better brand of PSU if you want it to last.


All i want is it to work and now blow up like SHAW
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April 8, 2012 5:45:09 AM

Okay sticking to budget means I sacrifice the GPU and just use integrated graphics until worthwhile parts can be afforded. This is what I would do at least since you won't then this is second best.

CPU G850 $82

PSU Corsair CX430 (now GPU only need one PCI-e connector so can use this) $58

Case Coolermaster RC371 $43

GPU 1G 6850 Powercolor $140

HDD Hitachi Deskstar 7200rpm 500G (Hitachi is more reliable that Seagate is) $74

MoBo MSI H61M-P21 (works and has solid capacitors) $49

Memory 4G Kit 1333 Patriot-S (brand won't matter if you're not overclocking) $24

Total is $470 now

Other options to decrease further are to get the 6790 (HIS) $122 (total $452) or 6770 (HIS) $89 (total $419)
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April 8, 2012 5:45:53 AM

This build would perform better than the one andrewcarr because of a stronger CPU and GPU. The current PSU is enough to support the graphics card and the CPU.

CPU: Core i3 2100 $115.57

MOBO: GIGABYTE H61M-S2P-B3 $56

GPU: POWERCOLOUR 6850 $140

RAM: G-SKILL 4GB $22

HDD: SEAGATE 500GB $75

Case: COOLERMASTER ELITE RC 335 with 420W PSU $65

Total: $473.57
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April 8, 2012 5:55:15 AM

I'd like to know where you can find the 6850 for $120 in Australia?
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April 8, 2012 5:59:41 AM

This is all going over OP's budget limit of 450. I want the OP to clarify his maximum budget.
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April 8, 2012 6:02:40 AM

My point is keep the budget at $450 but get the 520 w PSU the $43 case and an extra $6 fan. Get what motherboard you want whether the $49 or $56 and get a i3-2120 (or 2100, please don't argue the 2120 is better). Have it set up so that you can install the 6870 when you have enough money and this will be the best in the long run.

I know you can use the adapters but I don't like to. If you can help it stay away from it it is less reliable and just worse. The power rail for molex doesn't support as much power so it can lead to PSU failures. It just isn't worth the $9 difference to get the worse one and use adapters.
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April 8, 2012 6:09:40 AM

andrewcarr said:
My point is keep the budget at $450 but get the 520 w PSU the $43 case and an extra $6 fan. Get what motherboard you want whether the $49 or $56 and get a i3-2120 (or 2100, please don't argue the 2120 is better). Have it set up so that you can install the 6870 when you have enough money and this will be the best in the long run.

I know you can use the adapters but I don't like to. If you can help it stay away from it it is less reliable and just worse. The power rail for molex doesn't support as much power so it can lead to PSU failures. It just isn't worth the $9 difference to get the worse one and use adapters.


ill just keep what i want as there is quite an amount of good reviews with the generic case. and the pentium compared to the i3 2100 is very similar exept there isnt hyper threading and 2 less threads and lower clock speed. thats all
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April 8, 2012 6:11:10 AM

My estimate for all that would be $550-$600. I don't think that is going to work.
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April 8, 2012 6:12:50 AM

billgates8889 said:
My estimate for all that would be $550-$600. I don't think that is going to work.

ikr
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April 8, 2012 6:13:37 AM

andy1998 said:
ill just keep what i want as there is quite an amount of good reviews with the generic case. and the pentium compared to the i3 2100 is very similar exept there isnt hyper threading and 2 less threads and lower clock speed. thats all


Okay but just don't get a GPU over the 6850. Not going to happen on that PSU that comes with the case. By the way both cases are lower end models one just comes with an okay PSU the other is just with a good PSU (either the antec 520w or corsair430w).
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April 8, 2012 6:15:52 AM

Don't you ever SAVE money so you can get good stuff. Trust me in computers it helps when advancements are happening so fast. You'll want something better and it'll cost you way more in the long run. Lastly I had all those parts for only $50 more than what you wanted to spend so how can it cost $550-600 if it does cost $499? You act as if a $550 is an expensive computer when the lowest I would spend with a GPU is $600.
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