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April 8, 2012 9:11:01 PM

So I'm in 8th grade, and console gaming has gotten boring this year to me. I started in sixth grade and thought it was my favorite thing ever and I would never stop playing. It seems I only play on it when my friends come over, but when they're not I'm usually on my families computer. I had my bar mitzvah in seventh grade and I've been working for my dad for a while and I have roughly $5000-$6000 saved up. I want to know how quickly PC gaming gets boring and if a fourteen year old like me should get into it. I posted a thread last night asking people about my gaming rig, but now my mind suddenly wanted to know this answer. I'm willing to spend around 1000 on the tower itself, though I'm fine going a bit over. If I should buy the computer, I would want to build it, I know it would cost around the same if I were to buy it pre-built, but I think it would be an awesome experience building it. If you didn't see the specs, here they are:

Case: http://bit.ly/h62cS5

RAM: http://bit.ly/HRxhWW

Processor: http://bit.ly/h6dxCY

CPU fan: http://bit.ly/IeMPUN

Motherboard, $50 because of a sale going on at the store with the purchase of the i5 2500K : http://bit.ly/GCkvGS

Video Card should I get this or the GTX 560 ti? GTX 480: http://bit.ly/IjZEZw GTX 560 Ti: http://bit.ly/IqxzTc

HDD: http://bit.ly/Hnvgfb

SDD (OS): http://bit.ly/oZNNmv

PSU: http://bit.ly/HoisLt

DVD Burner: http://bit.ly/I4FTsZ

Speakers: http://bit.ly/d7XqiY

I would like it if you chose the parts from microcenter.com but I'm open to NewEgg.com
I would be using this computer for gaming, editing video with Sony Vegas, schoolwork, surfing the web and watching movies.
I need help with finding a good but cheap monitor, keyboard, and mouse (mouse and preferably gaming, would like it off of NewEgg)
How is it? Should I get into PC Gaming?
Can you also tell me what overclocking is and the pros and cons of it? All answers/suggestions are appreciated!!!!

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April 8, 2012 9:17:10 PM

Get the ASRock MOBO. Only $23 more but much better features.
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April 8, 2012 9:17:43 PM

do as you please. what your budget?
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April 8, 2012 9:18:51 PM

No, of course you shouldn't. Get a college degree instead.
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April 8, 2012 9:19:57 PM

to be honest it get tiring and i consider a pc a console and u could get a xbox360 controller to use on pc. overclocking does consume more power but the results are worth it. It's best to do your research first before overclocking including a solid cooling system.
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April 8, 2012 9:21:11 PM

My son's have been playing PC games since they were 3 (Jump Start Kindergarten) and had their own PC's since Jr. High, We have an XBox and a Playstation but they only get used when they have friends over.

$1,000 is a bit tough w/ a SSD and mid range GFX .... the tower in 2nd ones comes to $1330 so I blew ya budget by $300. Build it w/ya Dad, you will have lotta fun doing it as a joint project....my 3 boys and I have done 3 builds for each of them so far.

Overclocking can be easily accomplished using one of the guides online:

http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1578110

You have a mix of high end, mid range and low end products.... here's cupla "balanced" builds but 2nd one hits ya $1200-1400 budget "for the tower only".....figure $200 more for the latest top of the line GPU

Case - $ 130 - Corsair 500R White http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $ 245 - Corsair TX850 Combo http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
MoBo - $ 685 - ASUS P8z68 Pro Combo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU - $ 220 - Intel Core i7-2500K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Cooler - $ 43 - Hyper 612 PWM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
TIM - $ 5 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $ 50 - (2 x 4GB) Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1600 (White) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - Included - Asus GTX 680 Included with MoBo Combo
GFX - Later - Asus GTX 680 Same
HD - included - WD Black 1 TB Included w/ PSU
SSD - $ 180 - Samsung 830 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $ 58 - Asus Model BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor $ 290 ASUS VG236HE Black 23" 120 Hz Monitor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Keyboard - $ 100 - Logitech G510 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mouse - $ 55 - Logitech G500 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS - $ 100 - Win 7-64 Home Premium http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total $ 2,161 ($1,616 for tower only)

Case - $ 140 - Antec DF-85 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU - $ 120 - Antec CP-850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MoBo - $ 195 - ASUS P8z68 Pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU - $ 220 - Intel Core i7-2500K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Cooler - $ 43 - Hyper 612 PWM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
TIM - $ 5 - Shin Etsu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $ 50 - (2 x 4GB) Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1600 (White) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - $ 220 - Asus GTX 560 900Mhz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GFX - Later - Asus GTX 560 900Mhz Same
HD - $ 100 - Seagate 1 TB 64 MB cache http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SSD - $ 180 - Samsung 830 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
DVD Writer - $ 58 - Asus Model BC-12B1ST/BLK/B/AS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Monitor $ 290 ASUS VG236HE Black 23" 120 Hz Monitor http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Keyboard - $ 100 - Logitech G510 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mouse - $ 55 - Logitech G500 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OS - $ 100 - Win 7-64 Home Premium http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total $ 1,876 ($1,331 for tower only)
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April 8, 2012 9:24:12 PM

lookerup said:
do as you please. what your budget?

Budget is around 1200-1400, is that too much?
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April 8, 2012 9:28:25 PM

I don't see a copy of windows in your build. In my experience, PC Gaming has been rewarding and is graphically superior to Console gaming if you have decent hardware. Another thing to consider is that with games like skyrim, there is a well established mod community that you can use to enhance your gaming experience to your heart's desire. MMO's also have more options on the PC, if online gaming is your thing.

As you noted above, a PC does more than just game as well, so it's an investment that would see other uses if you did get bored of pc gaming.

The Downsides are there are not near as many titles for PC gamers as there are for console gamers, and also, obviously, the price.

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April 8, 2012 9:31:04 PM

Welcome to the forum:) 

That's a good amount for a computer, i wouldn't recommend going over $1000 dollars on a gaming computer if you are "just" getting into PC gaming. PC gaming is far better than console gaming, and it's fun building your own computer:)  I just turned 15 and i wanted to do the same thing as you (apart from my budget was around $600). I'll be posting my system recommendation soon..
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April 8, 2012 9:33:17 PM

Wait... change that PSU to a Corsair 80Plus Bronze or higher. Any second that machine will be up in smoke because you bought a terrible PSU.

PC gaming is generally cheaper than consoles and PC's are a lot more versatile as you can edit video, do school work etc. It's a lot different to a console and I enjoy playing PC only games like Minecraft. When I get bored of games sometimes I install modifications (which you can't do on a PS3) that make the game different and makes it more exciting. I also when games start going slow can upgrade, while for consoles sometimes the games aren't backwards compatible so I have to buy a new console which is a lot more expensive than upgrading.

Overclocking is when you can make the speed of the CPU faster, but it makes the CPU last less, can damage your hardware and consumes more power. It boosts the performance of your PC as well. I wouldn't recommend it though, as it could go wrong and damage your PC.

Also found a cheap HD monitor here: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
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April 8, 2012 9:38:59 PM

rednal16 said:
Budget is around 1200-1400, is that too much?

nope
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April 8, 2012 9:49:48 PM

Well... I'm 14 (by the way, how'd you get that much money from a Bar Mitzvah! :o  Yes, I had mine a year ago, too). I haven't played on consoles much, and I'm in the process of building a gaming computer. My build is over here, if you want to see: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/341836-31-still-repli...

Ignore the PSU, GPU, and motherboard. Other than that, it would still apply to you. The Fractal R3 is to make it quiet.

With PC gaming, here's what I've got. PC gaming is way more versatile (I'm not going to mention mouse-and-keyboard gaming. You can connect a controller). You have a large community of mods. Also, you don't have to pay for an Xbox live feature (it's called the "internet" ;)  ). The graphics are superior. There are way more free games available to PCs. The problem is... PCs are expensive. Usually, you'll build a nice PC and upgrade parts (generally the GPU. Sometimes the CPU) as you go along.

Referring to your build, I'd suggest looking at mine (I've done quite a bit of research). I'd suggest an MSI Twin Frozr II OC 7850 2GB GPU at the least, possibly upgrading to a 7870. I don't know when you're buying, so you could wait for an Ivy Bridge processor that's coming out April 29th. Then, get the i5-2500k equivalent, the i5-3750k. Get an Extreme4 ASRock Z77 motherboard (that's available on newegg as of a few hours ago... exciting for us techies ;)  ).Since you're going from console gaming, you'll want it quiet, which is why I'd recommend something like a Fractal R3 or a Corsair 550D. If you don't care about quietness, get a Corsair 500R. (Those are cases). Get 8GB of DDR3-1600 RAM at a CAS latency of 9. A CPU cooler like the Hyper 212+ or the Hyper 212 Evo. Also, for your hard drive, get a 7200rpm. An SSD is optional (maybe a 64GB one for your operating system and a few games). I think that covers it. Good luck!
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April 8, 2012 10:00:32 PM

get the ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 and the HD 7850 instead
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April 8, 2012 10:07:29 PM

You mean to say ASRock Z77 Extreme4 and 7850, right? ;) 
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April 8, 2012 10:10:06 PM

a little side off track: how is the website mircocenter.com? cause i'd like to know other websites beside neweggs
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April 8, 2012 10:42:28 PM

ddan49 said:
You mean to say ASRock Z77 Extreme4 and 7850, right? ;) 

Yeh, oops;)
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April 8, 2012 10:50:32 PM

lookerup said:
a little side off track: how is the website mircocenter.com? cause i'd like to know other websites beside neweggs

Microcenter is only good for MOBO and CPU IMO.
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April 8, 2012 11:03:20 PM

lookerup said:
a little side off track: how is the website mircocenter.com? cause i'd like to know other websites beside neweggs

Really good I think, a lot of discounts and I have one of the few real stores here in St. Louis
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April 8, 2012 11:07:00 PM

sounds promising
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April 8, 2012 11:24:16 PM

Should I wait for the Ivy bridge to come out, I can wait a while too
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April 8, 2012 11:25:01 PM

Forget gaming. Save your money. Soon you will be interested in girls. This new interest will require every cent that you have. Oh and girls are much more challenging than PC games.
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April 8, 2012 11:40:11 PM

What is it that borred you about console gaming? Was it the lack of re-playability, the controls, or the games themselves? Because if your borred of the games, most PC titles are re-makes of console titles, unless you play Blizzard games, so that won't change. However the controls are better (debatable, opinion I suppose) and re-playability grows vastly because almost all large titles are mod-able, which is something you can't do on consoles and can be alot of fun. So figure out why you got borred of consoles and you'll find out wether or not you'll get borred of PC gaming quickly. Personally, I find games on PC alot more enjoyable, even if they are just console ports.

Also, on a side note, you mentioned that building a PC is same as ordering a pre-built rig, and you're wrong. Not only is building your own PC significantly more satisfying, it's also alot cheaper, and go with Newegg, they're better ;) .
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April 8, 2012 11:45:49 PM

kelthic said:
I don't see a copy of windows in your build. In my experience, PC Gaming has been rewarding and is graphically superior to Console gaming if you have decent hardware. Another thing to consider is that with games like skyrim, there is a well established mod community that you can use to enhance your gaming experience to your heart's desire. MMO's also have more options on the PC, if online gaming is your thing.

As you noted above, a PC does more than just game as well, so it's an investment that would see other uses if you did get bored of pc gaming.

The Downsides are there are not near as many titles for PC gamers as there are for console gamers, and also, obviously, the price.



the games that arent on pc is becaude they suck
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April 9, 2012 12:02:57 AM

Markusx64 said:
the games that arent on pc is becaude they suck



i suppose that's a matter of opinion lol. Truth of the matter is that consoles are cheaper and because of that the market is larger for them (more customers because more people can afford them). i can say though that 95% of the people i know who gamed on consoles when they were younger have since switched to PC. I think PC is generally a more mature platform for gamers.
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April 9, 2012 12:04:40 AM

ddan49 said:
Well... I'm 14 (by the way, how'd you get that much money from a Bar Mitzvah! :o  Yes, I had mine a year ago, too). I haven't played on consoles much, and I'm in the process of building a gaming computer. My build is over here, if you want to see: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/341836-31-still-repli...

Ignore the PSU, GPU, and motherboard. Other than that, it would still apply to you. The Fractal R3 is to make it quiet.

With PC gaming, here's what I've got. PC gaming is way more versatile (I'm not going to mention mouse-and-keyboard gaming. You can connect a controller). You have a large community of mods. Also, you don't have to pay for an Xbox live feature (it's called the "internet" ;)  ). The graphics are superior. There are way more free games available to PCs. The problem is... PCs are expensive. Usually, you'll build a nice PC and upgrade parts (generally the GPU. Sometimes the CPU) as you go along.

Referring to your build, I'd suggest looking at mine (I've done quite a bit of research). I'd suggest an MSI Twin Frozr II OC 7850 2GB GPU at the least, possibly upgrading to a 7870. I don't know when you're buying, so you could wait for an Ivy Bridge processor that's coming out April 29th. Then, get the i5-2500k equivalent, the i5-3750k. Get an Extreme4 ASRock Z77 motherboard (that's available on newegg as of a few hours ago... exciting for us techies ;)  ).Since you're going from console gaming, you'll want it quiet, which is why I'd recommend something like a Fractal R3 or a Corsair 550D. If you don't care about quietness, get a Corsair 500R. (Those are cases). Get 8GB of DDR3-1600 RAM at a CAS latency of 9. A CPU cooler like the Hyper 212+ or the Hyper 212 Evo. Also, for your hard drive, get a 7200rpm. An SSD is optional (maybe a 64GB one for your operating system and a few games). I think that covers it. Good luck!

Your suggestions helped a lot and I do think I should be in your budget range since I'm just starting. Also, can you answers these questions:
What power supply do you suggest?
When do you think the video card you suggested will be back in stock?
What mouse, keyboard, and monitor do you suggest?
Since I don't plan to purchase anything today, what are some other quiet cases that are some what cheap?
Also, after I factored everything in (the monitor, hdd, sdd, mouse and keyboard) i'm getting $1280 is that about right? Is it too much?
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April 9, 2012 12:14:54 AM

The Radeon 7870 is already in stock.
PSU: Any good quality unit from XFX or Seasonic.
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April 9, 2012 12:19:59 AM

kelthic said:
i suppose that's a matter of opinion lol. Truth of the matter is that consoles are cheaper and because of that the market is larger for them (more customers because more people can afford them). i can say though that 95% of the people i know who gamed on consoles when they were younger have since switched to PC. I think PC is generally a more mature platform for gamers.


indeed
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April 9, 2012 12:59:19 AM

rednal16 said:
Your suggestions helped a lot and I do think I should be in your budget range since I'm just starting. Also, can you answers these questions:
What power supply do you suggest?
When do you think the video card you suggested will be back in stock?
What mouse, keyboard, and monitor do you suggest?
Since I don't plan to purchase anything today, what are some other quiet cases that are some what cheap?
Also, after I factored everything in (the monitor, hdd, sdd, mouse and keyboard) i'm getting $1280 is that about right? Is it too much?

1) I'd suggest this one (that was suggested to me. Although you might want a better, gold rated modular one. It's up to you. Modular means some cables detach, which makes it a little neater... but Google it. There's some controversy):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
2) I have no idea. It IS on NCIX for about $10 more:
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=69585&vpn=R7850%20Twin...
3) Don't ask me. I'm on a Logitech K120 keyboard with a Logitech M510 mouse and a 1680x1050 HP f2105 5-year-old monitor. Despite what people will tell you, you don't need a premium keyboard/mouse. I consider my mouse a gaming mouse because it has TWO programmable buttons (that I use for page forward and page back in web browsing). I still do well in video games.
4) I can only really recommend the "silent" cases. "Silent" cases are covered with sound-deadening foam, so they sometimes have airflow problems (the Fractal R3 is still great with airflow, though). If you don't need it, get something like a HAF or a Corsair case (Corsair 500R is nice, if pricey). Quiet cases are:
Antec P280
Fractal Define R3
Corsair 550D
There's also another one that ends in H2 (can't remember :/  ), but it's bad. Stay away.
5) $1280 isn't too much because you've got a monitor, keyboard, mouse, and other stuff. Make sure you have speakers/headphones, by the way! I've got my HDD as well, so overall my build should be about $300 less. Which is about right (you will have better parts). If you have both an SSD and an HDD, then that will also boost the price. $1500 is generally an average higher end gaming computer, and $1000 is an average mid-level. You're right in between, which is nice. You've maxed out everything except for the GPU, which is where that extra $200 would go for the high-end (going higher with CPU/Mobo/Case, etc. isn't worth it).

Hope I helped! Also, remember that you don't have wifi/bluetooth connectivity by default, so if you want to connect (for desktops, ethernet is better, but I dunno... ;)  ) to those services, you'll need to buy a wifi card or a bluetooth card. Ethernet is available by default, though.
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April 9, 2012 1:40:24 PM

Absolutely, you should get into PC gaming! :bounce: 

When I was 14 (only four years ago, I'm a senior now), I built my first gaming PC (before this, I had a Dell long past it's prime I saved up for, and before that, I had a Pentium 3 I still have in my room)

With $5,000, you can have a machine that lasts you till your doctorate. (the machine I got my 8th grade year was really, really cheap, it wasn't till 9th grade I was able to afford a really awesome machine).

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April 9, 2012 2:39:31 PM

You'd love Los Santos Role Play, trust me. It's like grand theft auto san andreas but every player is real, and better yet they actually act like real people, not just run around shooting people for no reason. You can pretty much create your own character and do whatever you want, you could join a street gang, a mafia, become a cop, or maybe even just be a civilian and become a fireman or a lawyer or something in the government. If you've got big ambitions, you could even try to run for mayor of the city.

http://forum.ls-rp.com/

Read about it there. To get it all you need is GTA SA on the PC which is about £6.99 on amazon. Then you just download the patch and the multiplayer for free, and join Los Santos Role Play. I can help you get it if you like. Best thing about it is, because it's all real it has a continuous story so it never gets boring. Even if you haven't joined anything yet and you're walking around the city on your own there's still plenty of things you can do.

Oh, and it's got an incredibly well establish mod community, in fact there are many different ones. If you want to mod your game, I can help you make your game look as god quality as GTA IV in no time/
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June 6, 2014 3:57:57 AM

Ok So I Know A lot of People Have Mentioned This But Ill Just Sum It Up For You

PC Gaming Would Deffiently Beniffet Because.......

:o nline is Free
:Games are Cheaper
:Mods, Many Mods to Keep You Interested
:p lenty of Games Including Classics if Your Interested in Them
:p lus a Computer will Work for Gaming and Homework ect, (Multipurpose)

From Scarci5
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