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I7-920 or I5-3570k for gaming?

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July 23, 2012 1:00:05 AM

Hey Guys
I have two rigs and Im wondering what is going to be the best setup for BF3 gaming.

option one:
I7-920 lga-1366 w/ asus p6t deluxe mobo w/ 24 gigs of G Skill 1600 tri channel ram

or

option 2:
I5-3570 K ivy bridge w/ ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
w/ 16 gigs of G Skill 1600 dual channel ram


What ever setup is better I will be installing my Samsung 830 SSD, corsair TX 50 watt v2 power supply and my EVGA ctx 580 super clocked gpu.

both cpu have after market cooler so I can oc both of them.

Thanks for your opinions

Hitch

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July 23, 2012 1:05:16 AM

the i5 just due to architecture superiority. the differences between an i7 and an i5 in gaming are extremely minimal, and is not worth the effort unless you like use recording programs or programs that effectively use the hyperthreads the i7 creates vs the i5
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July 23, 2012 1:10:27 AM

dudewitbow is right. Core i5, i3 , i7 doesnt differ much in gaming. Unless you do a 3 way SLI of GTX 670, core i3 can handle it easily! And performance depends on the graphic card. I say you try it on 3570k since it consumes less power, satisfy all needs, better technology, PCI 3.0 ( no use really), Virtua MVP
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July 23, 2012 1:10:34 AM

The Ivy Bridge chip is 15-20% faster clock for clock than the older i7 920. So at equal clockspeeds the i5 is 15-20% faster.

No games use Hyperthreading so that will not help the i7.

With good aftermarket cooling the 920 will top out in the ~4Ghz range and the 3570 should hit 4.4-4.5Ghz.

Anything over 8GB of RAM is a waste for gaming.
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July 23, 2012 1:30:19 AM

OK how about this,
The rig I don't use for gaming will be used for business, ie: quick books pro and website design and management

What rig is better for the business use?

TX

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July 23, 2012 1:31:28 AM

In gaming, the bottleneck is the GPU. Any Core i# series processors from any generation will be able to run any setup with little to no bottleneck.

Side note - If you're getting a new rig - always go for the latest best performance for $ cpu like the 2500k or 3570k. If you already got a 1st generation core cpu then it's useless and a waste to upgrade since GPU's barely even get close to making the cpu's a bottleneck.
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July 23, 2012 1:36:30 AM

lilotimz said:
In gaming, the bottleneck is the GPU. Any Core i# series processors from any generation will be able to run any setup with little to no bottleneck.

Side note - If you're getting a new rig - always go for the latest best performance for $ cpu like the 2500k or 3570k. If you already got a 1st generation core cpu then it's useless and a waste to upgrade since GPU's barely even get close to making the cpu's a bottleneck.


I already own both setups, not buying anything, just wondering which rig is better setup for gaming.
I thought the I5 setup would be better for gaming when paired with my Samsung 830 ssd since the I5 mobo will do 6 gigs/sec and the older I7 mobo will only do 3 gigs/sec
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July 23, 2012 1:45:54 AM

For general/business use you will not notice a difference between the 2 computers except for the SSD. I would use the i5 for gaming and the i7 for business and get a SSD for both. The i7 is actually a better business choice due to the Hyperthreading.
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July 23, 2012 4:01:49 AM

The newer I5 system will be much better for gaming. Newer CPU and Mobo will work much better with the 580. the older i7 will be fine for business use. Anort makes a good point, an SSD will greatly benefit both systems.
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July 23, 2012 6:33:12 AM

i5 for gaming. I just got one, but my graphics cards (two GTX 460s) haven't arrived yet so I can't speak with concrete conviction.
The virtual HyperThreaded cores in the i7 will not help you one bit while gaming. Even if BF3 will use HyperThreading (which to my knowledge it doesn't), HyperThreading is after all, virtual. You won't get much of a performance boost.
And like others have said, save money on the RAM, 8 GB will suffice if all you're doing is gaming.

BUT, my graphics cards come in today (Monday), so wait till tonight and I'll tell you how it does.
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July 23, 2012 8:45:09 AM

as others have said there will be no difference. and i mean 0% difference. where you get 200 fps on the newer hardware you will get 200 fps on the old. i know this to be true as i use an i7 920 every day and play bf3.
the difference will come in power used to get that 200 fps. the i5 is much lower wattage even at idle it uses less than the 920 which uses 46w and tops out at around 140w the i5 is more efficient per watt so putting the ssd in and the 580 will make it slightly cheaper to run games on. its pretty much the only legitimate reason and difference you can find. so the i5 is the better option.

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July 24, 2012 2:01:31 AM

newegg had a smokin deal on the memory so i pulled the trigger on it
i have the i5 up and running, but my temps seem high in game. i will post some screen shots tomorrow
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July 24, 2012 3:17:02 AM

Ivy bridge typically run hotter under load because of the way it was designed. That's why overclocks usually top off at 4.4-4.5 ghz before heat becomes a problem while sandy bridge can top off at 4.8 usually.
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July 24, 2012 12:06:23 PM

if you have a stock heatsink temps up to 65 under full load are fine, when you go over 70 thats the danger zone.
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July 24, 2012 12:16:47 PM

Any ivy cpu even with the best cooler on the market can't handle a prime95 4 threads with minimal fft all the cpu cache and halt the ram ussage OC or not it get's to 90 C and the system goes way above 105 c!

Above 105 c not even the japananese solid capacitors are quarantee they will work property. When malfunction occurs voltage delivery on boad it get's lower the fans speed drops making the problem even worst. In simple words these chips can't handle only 4 threads with the cpu cache full and half the ram at once as they getting hot by the hour! Sandy cpu's do not have problem handle that king of load, OC or not, is nothing to them.

I say is better go with sandy i7 3820 or i7 3930K in LGA 2011 motherboards are giving you a better chance to upgrade in feature.

Ps you will not find 1 post of me in "ivy searching for cooler" threads in the forum because i know i can't effectivly help them.
Ps2 the oc capabilities in ivy http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/342106-10-3770k-ove... 1.6 Ghz with intel speedstep....
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July 24, 2012 5:05:04 PM

Anonymous said:
Any ivy cpu even with the best cooler on the market can't handle a prime95 4 threads with minimal fft all the cpu cache and halt the ram ussage OC or not it get's to 90 C and the system goes way above 105 c!

Above 105 c not even the japananese solid capacitors are quarantee they will work property. When malfunction occurs voltage delivery on boad it get's lower the fans speed drops making the problem even worst. In simple words these chips can't handle only 4 threads with the cpu cache full and half the ram at once as they getting hot by the hour! Sandy cpu's do not have problem handle that king of load, OC or not, is nothing to them.

I say is better go with sandy i7 3820 or i7 3930K in LGA 2011 motherboards are giving you a better chance to upgrade in feature.

Ps you will not find 1 post of me in "ivy searching for cooler" threads in the forum because i know i can't effectivly help them.
Ps2 the oc capabilities in ivy http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/342106-10-3770k-ove... 1.6 Ghz with intel speedstep....



Huh? Really none of that makes any sense. :??: 
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July 24, 2012 10:00:07 PM

anort3 said:
Huh? Really none of that makes any sense. :??: 


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I know man, I decided to ignore it... :/ 
he did that on a few other threads the past few days..


This is why in details:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/forum2.php?config=t...

have you any idea how many came with the hot temps problems in ivy cpu's thread asking help? there all yours:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/342076-10-3770k-rea...

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/340863-10-intel-377...

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/341561-10-temps-377...

I know i can help them you also may figure it out some day, I'm trying to save this one.
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July 24, 2012 10:41:22 PM

They deleted it a head admin open it i need it, has important details inside ivy cpu opened, the heat sreader removed, thermal camera is used and many many details you are trolling not me.

Why do you wasting time if you don't belive me? go help the ivys with the heated problems are you blind? 3 links above all yours.

I'm not going in there what to do to bring them the BAD news ? i'm tired...

In here i may save the op for being the next one in list for your wisdom.
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July 24, 2012 10:47:53 PM

Someone needs to feel the fury of the banhammer. Unreadable, barely literate crap.
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July 24, 2012 11:37:29 PM

Let's calm down here and please layoff the alert button.
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July 25, 2012 12:02:38 AM

Me either. The opinion stands though. :p 
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July 25, 2012 11:36:04 PM

This is my temp before game, just surfing the net

hwm before gaming by

this is my temp just after a game of BF3
hwm after game by http://www.flickr.com/people/8234779@N02/" target="_blank">

Temps seem really high for not being oc'd and I have a Dark Knight cpu cooler to boot. on my I7-920 I am oc'd @3.8g and my temp dont go this high in game.

It would seem you cannot overclock this cpu unless the temps dont rise much when oc'd on the ivy bridge

what do you guys think? are these temps normal?

Hitch" target="_blank">
hwm after game by http://www.flickr.com/people/8234779@N02/" target="_blank">

Temps seem really high for not being oc'd and I have a Dark Knight cpu cooler to boot. on my I7-920 I am oc'd @3.8g and my temp dont go this high in game.

It would seem you cannot overclock this cpu unless the temps dont rise much when oc'd on the ivy bridge

what do you guys think? are these temps normal?

Hitch
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July 26, 2012 12:09:29 AM

Normal!
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July 26, 2012 12:18:45 AM

If those temps are normal im wondering how people are oc'n these cpu's
my only thought would be liquid cooling would be the only option since my temps are already on the high end of max temp with a artic freezer pro cooler @ stock clock


mmmm

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July 26, 2012 12:21:22 AM

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this is the i5-3570K @ stock settings.?

Yes this is the ivy bridge 3570k CPU @ stock clock w/ a after market artic freezer pro v2 cooler on it

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July 26, 2012 12:23:16 AM

What case do you have?
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July 26, 2012 12:29:28 AM

SR-71 Blackbird said:
What case do you have?


coolermaster nvidia series nv690 w/ 2 fans, one blowing into case from the front and one pulling air out at the rear , plus the entire top is free air ventalated
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July 26, 2012 12:31:28 AM

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did you use the thermal paste pre-applied to the CPU cooler or did yo remove it an use a real aftermarket paste.?



removed stock crap and used artic silver 5. I have using that on all my builds for years
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July 26, 2012 12:33:06 AM

you need a few more 120mm fans... in the top
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July 26, 2012 12:33:47 AM

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you need a few more 120mm fans...


sorry i forgot to mention the fan in the side door blowing in on the mobo, total of three120 mm fans
i had my I7=920 in this case oc'd @3.8g and my temps never went above 65c

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July 26, 2012 12:36:02 AM

2 -120'S ON MY PUSH PULL
1 -120 REAR OUT
1 - 200 FRONT SICKLE
1- 200 TOP SICKLE

In my case
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July 26, 2012 12:36:09 AM

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good move.



for sure, never use that crap that comes with any cooler. i have been building rigs for years
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July 26, 2012 12:39:25 AM

so should i keep the side fan and add one on top or loose the the side fan and add one one top, also do i want the new top fan pulling or pushing?
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July 26, 2012 12:43:55 AM

I have my top fan pushing out.
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July 26, 2012 12:51:11 AM

i just found this good deal, coolermaster 120mm fan for $2.99 w/ free ship. i think im going to pick up 2 of them

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July 26, 2012 12:51:25 AM

coolermaster 120mm < will do fine,keep us posted
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July 26, 2012 12:55:41 AM

I the red led version as my exhaust on the back of my case.
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July 26, 2012 12:56:18 AM

they push out the air pretty well.
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July 26, 2012 12:58:04 AM

SR-71 Blackbird said:
coolermaster 120mm < will do fine,keep us posted

will do, my side door fan does blow on cpu and gpu, if i picked up 2 of those fans i m not sure the best setup

1 front push in
1 rear pull out
1 side push in
2 new fans on top pull out?

thanks to ALL for the input and ideas

Hitch
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July 26, 2012 1:00:18 AM

Cool keep us updated!
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July 26, 2012 10:51:09 AM

XRWKEN said:
This is my temp before game, just surfing the net
]http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8433/7646564070_69a925deef_b.jpg
hwm before gaming by

this is my temp just after a game of BF3
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8009/7646836456_8d0dd32701_b.jpghwm after game by http://www.flickr.com/people/8234779@N02/" target="_blank">

Temps seem really high for not being oc'd and I have a Dark Knight cpu cooler to boot. on my I7-920 I am oc'd @3.8g and my temp dont go this high in game.

It would seem you cannot overclock this cpu unless the temps dont rise much when oc'd on the ivy bridge

what do you guys think? are these temps normal?

Hitch" target="_blank">
hwm after game by http://www.flickr.com/people/8234779@N02/" target="_blank">

Temps seem really high for not being oc'd and I have a Dark Knight cpu cooler to boot. on my I7-920 I am oc'd @3.8g and my temp dont go this high in game.

It would seem you cannot overclock this cpu unless the temps dont rise much when oc'd on the ivy bridge

what do you guys think? are these temps normal?

Hitch

With an ivy on stock speed and the same box, cooler you wil get more than 70 c after playing BF3 and even the best CPU cooler on the market or the best Pc case that will maximize the airflow to the cooler can't change that much.

PS add another 120x120 fan by the side of your box to increase the airflow and you will get much better temps suggestion NF-P12 Noctua but not close so close the rear.

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With an ivy on stock speed and the same box, cooler you wil get more than 70 c after playing BF3 and even the best CPU cooler on the market or the best Pc case that will maximize the airflow to the cooler can't change that much.

PS add another 120x120 fan by the side of your box to increase the airflow and you will get much better temps suggestion NF-P12 Noctua but not close so close the rear.

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With an ivy on stock speed and the same box, cooler you wil get more than 70 c after playing BF3 and even the best CPU cooler on the market or the best Pc case that will maximize the airflow to the cooler can't change that much.

PS add another 120x120 fan by the side of your box to increase the airflow and you will get much better temps suggestion NF-P12 Noctua but not close so close the rear.

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July 26, 2012 12:30:12 PM

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PS add another 120x120 fan by the side of your box to increase the airflow and you will get much better temps suggestion NF-P12 Noctua but not close so close the rear.


Thanks for you input but Im not sure what you mean about the placement,

I have 1-120mm cm fan in my LS door blowing in, 1-120mm cm fan in front blowing in, 1-20mm cm fan at rear pulling out

I have just ordered 1-140mm XIGMATEK fan to mount in the top to pull more hot air out
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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July 26, 2012 12:32:27 PM

Go with what urban told you yesterday about the placement.
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July 26, 2012 12:34:19 PM

1 front push in
1 rear pull out
1 side push in
2 new fans on top pull out?

The ( plan ) ^
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July 26, 2012 12:35:05 PM

Nice timing urban!
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July 26, 2012 12:44:46 PM

SR-71 Blackbird said:
1 front push in
1 rear pull out
1 side push in
2 new fans on top pull out?

The ( plan ) ^


Done deal ^

just one question tho

Im wondering about the negative pressure verses the positive pressure theory
I ordered 2- 1400mm fans that I will add to the top pulling more air out
so my setup will then be as follows
2-120mm fans pushing air in
1-120mm fan pulling out
2-140mm fans pulling out (new on order)

I will have negative air pressure in the case since I will have more exhaust fans then intake fans
Is there any negative effect with this airflow? It thought smooth air flow was preferred. I have no idea that is why I ask

Thanks
my fans should be here in a day or two

Hitch

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July 26, 2012 12:46:11 PM

It will be fine!
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July 26, 2012 12:48:50 PM

Thanks,
you guys are the best
Really appreciate all the advice and quick responses

Will update you guys when I get the fans installed

Hitch
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July 26, 2012 12:51:05 PM

We are glad to assist!
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