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February 1, 2012 2:51:04 PM

Hey everybody, I have recently been looking at building a new computer. I was just wondering what would a good entry level gaming graphics card would be to go with this bundle, im asking this because I've read that if your graphics card isnt matched up to your system it will not be at its full potential. Also people letting me know if the bundle is good value or not would be helpful.

The bundle is a CCL Alpha Enchant Motherboard Bundle:

AMD Bulldozer FX-6 Six Core 6100 Black Edition 3.30GHz (Socket AM3+) Processor
PNY Optima 4GB Memory Module DDR3 1333MHz DIMM
Asus M5A78L-M LX Socket AM3+ Motherboard
All with a 3 year warranty

All that for £199.99

I live in the UK so the price is in pounds (£).

Now, im hoping the graphics card will cost me no more than £60 but I have a feeling it will be more. but if possible under £60 please. :ange: 

Also, I'm afraid cannot use sites like Newegg, so please Amazon, CCL or any other UK Supplier.

Thanks in advance :D 

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a c 125 U Graphics card
February 1, 2012 3:38:22 PM

That bundle doesn't appear to have a case? or PSU? or Hard Drive?
February 1, 2012 3:48:11 PM

I am aware of this, I simply want to get the components before i choose a PSU. :D 

Also I recently realised that this is a UK website, sorry about assuming it was an American one. :) 
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a c 125 U Graphics card
February 1, 2012 3:57:34 PM

Oh ok well frankly you can put any GPU you can afford in there without any bottlenecks. The more you spend, the more performance you get, so really just pick the best card for your budget.

The GTX 560 or the 6870 are both good choices for 1080p gaming, but probably a little more than your budget. The 6850 and 550Ti are decent cards as well and they should be pretty close to what you're looking at. Lower than that you have the 6790 and the 6770 which are ok but many games will run at medium settings at 1080p.
February 1, 2012 4:07:38 PM

wolfram23 said:
Oh ok well frankly you can put any GPU you can afford in there without any bottlenecks. The more you spend, the more performance you get, so really just pick the best card for your budget.

The GTX 560 or the 6870 are both good choices for 1080p gaming, but probably a little more than your budget. The 6850 and 550Ti are decent cards as well and they should be pretty close to what you're looking at. Lower than that you have the 6790 and the 6770 which are ok but many games will run at medium settings at 1080p.

Great, ill go check them out.

Thanks for the advice. :D 
February 1, 2012 4:12:04 PM

wolfram23 said:
Oh ok well frankly you can put any GPU you can afford in there without any bottlenecks. The more you spend, the more performance you get, so really just pick the best card for your budget.

The GTX 560 or the 6870 are both good choices for 1080p gaming, but probably a little more than your budget. The 6850 and 550Ti are decent cards as well and they should be pretty close to what you're looking at. Lower than that you have the 6790 and the 6770 which are ok but many games will run at medium settings at 1080p.

6850 is actually faster than a GTX 560 sans ti and it is leaving GTX 550ti in the dust. 550 ti is a bit of a price/performance dud.
a c 172 U Graphics card
February 1, 2012 4:23:43 PM

Quote:
6850 is actually faster than a GTX 560


Shouldn't be. the GTX560 is like a 6870. They are all rather close in performance. But it should look something like this for most games. GTX560 ~ 6870 > 6850. I usually give the nod to the GTX560 because they OC better then the 6870.
February 1, 2012 4:28:29 PM

4745454b said:
Quote:
6850 is actually faster than a GTX 560


Shouldn't be. the GTX560 is like a 6870. They are all rather close in performance. But it should look something like this for most games. GTX560 ~ 6870 > 6850. I usually give the nod to the GTX560 because they OC better then the 6870.

68xx series OC like beasts and 6850 is a fast card and 6870 is closer to 560ti not 560 sans ti. Here's a cherry picked best case scenario on a nice Msi 6850 notice how it surpasses the GTX 570 in Crysis. http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_r6850_cyclo... so 6870 should perform and OC better.
February 1, 2012 4:29:08 PM

4745454b said:
Quote:
6850 is actually faster than a GTX 560


Shouldn't be. the GTX560 is like a 6870. They are all rather close in performance. But it should look something like this for most games. GTX560 ~ 6870 > 6850. I usually give the nod to the GTX560 because they OC better then the 6870.

PS GTX 560 is a re badged GTX 460.
February 1, 2012 4:35:53 PM

here is perfromrnace of gpus

gtx550ti>6790>6850>gtx460>6870>gtx560ti

550ti and 6790 are of same price and starting of the mid range good gpus
a c 172 U Graphics card
February 1, 2012 4:36:27 PM

But you need to look at more then one game. Seeing as we've done this dance before....

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-amp...

Which two cards are very close in performance at the ~135% faster mark? That would be the 6870 and the GTX560. What card is slower at the 115% mark? 6850 perhaps?
February 1, 2012 4:37:26 PM


GTX 560 is a GTX 460 albeit a glorified well marketed one. Quote Tom's Hardware article. " If those specs sound vaguely familiar, that's because they’re the same as Nvidia's GeForce GTX 460 1 GB. It makes sense; after all, the GF114 is functionally identical to GF104. It was simply reworked to deliver higher clocks while using less power. " http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-amp...
February 1, 2012 4:39:38 PM


Tom is Green biased everyone know that LOL.
a c 172 U Graphics card
February 1, 2012 5:07:27 PM

Now that I actually look at your link, care to link something with the GTX560 in it?
February 1, 2012 5:09:42 PM

4745454b said:
Now that I actually look at your link, care to link something with the GTX560 in it?

You mean GTX 460/560
a c 172 U Graphics card
February 1, 2012 5:13:53 PM

Similar but reworked with higher clocks.

What excuses do you use for this review? Another where the GTX560 beats the 6870.

http://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/zardon/...

Edit: Taking another look at your link, the GTX460 isn't in there either.

Do you remember seeing the GTX460 OC results? Where people pushed it up to 900MHz+ and got GTX470 performance? Are you saying the 6850 is faster then the GTX470?
a c 172 U Graphics card
February 1, 2012 5:22:22 PM

To get back on track, I'm not sure what is available to you at 60pounds. I would assume that the GTX560 and 6870 are too much. The 6850 might be within reach, but I'm assuming you are really looking at the GTX550 or 5770/6770 at best. In this case I would stick with AMD. Get the 5770/6770, or the 6850 if you can. The GTX550 just isn't a good buy. (usually. Being across the pond might change things.)
February 1, 2012 5:24:35 PM

4745454b said:
To get back on track, I'm not sure what is available to you at 60pounds. I would assume that the GTX560 and 6870 are too much. The 6850 might be within reach, but I'm assuming you are really looking at the GTX550 or 5770/6770 at best. In this case I would stick with AMD. Get the 5770/6770, or the 6850 if you can. The GTX550 just isn't a good buy. (usually. Being across the pond might change things.)

6850 is fast than a GTX 460 is more available than GTX 460 and take less power than GTX 460 and creates less heat than GTX 460 and 6850 is cheaper.
a b U Graphics card
February 1, 2012 5:32:34 PM

Hey man, far as memory goes. in the Cart add another stick of that PNY memory. if you can. Also man check out my rig. were running the same CPU. i have 8 gigs of 1600. And i am running Not one but Two GTX 560 ti's one is the ASUS DCII with a slight core OC and the other is a Reference clock reference card. I easily see 60 fps while i play now. I recommend the ASUS DCII GTX 560 ti or the top edition. MSI Hawks edition is a clear winner in the benches up there ^ to so. And for your case for the best air flow you may want a big Mid tower, or a Full tower. The Haf X or the Corsair 500r, Haf 932, Haf 922. Any of the Corsair Carbide, or 400r series. The Antec Lan boy Air is a gamers dream because it creates good air pressure. they recommend you run all fans as intake because the case can;t be anymore open minded. and a Good PSU . the Corsair TX 650 can handle anything!. I don't use anything but Corsair PSU's
February 1, 2012 6:11:42 PM

I knew i was being optimistic with £60... :na: 

Thanks for everyones advice, the 6770 will most likely be the one I choose, unless I get a bit more money.

And i don't really see the point of getting more RAM at the moment, in my current system im usually using no more than 3gb. Perhaps that will change.
a c 125 U Graphics card
February 1, 2012 6:19:00 PM

Gordon Freeman said:
6850 is fast than a GTX 460 is more available than GTX 460 and take less power than GTX 460 and creates less heat than GTX 460 and 6850 is cheaper.


Dude no, it isn't faster. First of all the 460 is basically the 560, and in all the benches I've seen there's been maybe 1 game that the 6850 was better than the 560, while in multiple benches the 560 beats even the 6870.

On top of that, the 460 was fighting the 5850 for performance and value 2 years ago. The 5850 was generally a little faster, but the 5850 is also faster than a 6870! So that puts the 460 right around 6870 performance.
February 1, 2012 6:25:13 PM

wolfram23 said:
Dude no, it isn't faster. First of all the 460 is basically the 560, and in all the benches I've seen there's been maybe 1 game that the 6850 was better than the 560, while in multiple benches the 560 beats even the 6870.

On top of that, the 460 was fighting the 5850 for performance and value 2 years ago. The 5850 was generally a little faster, but the 5850 is also faster than a 6870! So that puts the 460 right around 6870 performance.

LOL @ another Nvidia Mantra 460 is on the way out and it had a great run RIP. 6850 is more efficient and powerful and cheaper that a GTX 460 and GTX 560 is a GTX 460 I thought you read the article I enclosed. Nvida has lots of fan buoys and a big Marketing because of it but Radeon is very very good.
a c 92 U Graphics card
February 1, 2012 6:28:20 PM

everyone is listing cards outside of OP's price range but the 6670 or 450 is probably the best card OP can find for 60 pounds.

Anyways the hierarchy goes like this:
6770=550 ti <460 = 6790 <460 256bit bus = 6850 < 6870 = 560 < 560ti = 6950


now you can stop bickering.
a c 125 U Graphics card
February 1, 2012 6:32:59 PM

^ Exactly. 6850 is NOT FASTER THAN A 560!

Freeman, I swear you're just trying to troll now so I'm unflagging this thread. You are wrong and you have been proven wrong by several people with several sources.

Also calling someone with a pair of 5850s an Nvidia fanboy is decidedly stupid.
February 1, 2012 6:35:41 PM

wolfram23 said:
^ Exactly. 6850 is NOT FASTER THAN A 560!

Freeman, I swear you're just trying to troll now so I'm unflagging this thread. You are wrong and you have been proven wrong by several people with several sources.

Also calling someone with a pair of 5850s an Nvidia fanboy is decidedly stupid.

I run an Nvidia card myself LOL and 6850 is faster look on Youtube or trust a bunch of numbers on an electronic paper LOL.
a b U Graphics card
February 1, 2012 6:55:59 PM

get the 6970 or 7950 from msi or gigabyte
a b U Graphics card
February 1, 2012 7:12:47 PM

It's nice to some people help others... unlike the gordan freeman troll...
a c 193 U Graphics card
February 1, 2012 7:21:45 PM

_Pez_ obviously didn't note the budget (probably didn't read the thread), so you may safely ignore his gibbering.
Although there are some games where one architecture is notably better than the other (e.g. nVidia in Blizzard titles and in Civ V), every chart I remember seeing had the HD6770 visibly better than the GTX550Ti.
If you have no upgrade plans beyond the HD6770, you could run your rig on a 380W-430W Antec Earthwatts or 400W-430W Corsair Builder. If you might someday get a HD6870 or GTX560, you'd need a quality 500W PSU. Seasonic, Antec, Corsair, XFX, and Enermax/LEPA are among the better brands. Look for full range active PFC (no little voltage switch) and some level of 80+ certification for efficiency.
February 1, 2012 7:28:25 PM

Yup to OP 5750/5770 6750/6770 are all good picks that are within respect to your budget definitely 6770 is the one to get if your local supply permits good luck. To the nvidia Fanbuoys simmer on the Mantra I run a GTX 275 ok and Radeon makes great cards to there just not hyped up with false marketing tactics and fanbuoys.
a c 172 U Graphics card
February 2, 2012 12:26:19 AM

I just wish Gordon would realize that the GTX560 IS NOT a GTX460. The 560 does perform faster. (I also wish he would change his name and stop ruining the real Gordon Freeman's name. But I know that isn't going to happen.)

OP, the 6770 is an ok card. Should be enough to make most games look pretty, even at 1080. You won't be able to max out the newest one, but everything should at least be playable. Sometimes you have to get what the budget allows.
a b U Graphics card
February 2, 2012 1:48:43 AM

gordon freeman ( a disgrace to the name) always does this bs, dude you are wrong on so many accounts and spreading crap information to people that need it such as the OP so SHHHHHHH thats enough now!

OP you should shoot for at least a 6770 (5770) imo a 6870 or gtx 560 would be nice as well

the bottom line is that for the money it makes no sense to get a 6850 bc for 10-15 dollars more you can have the 6870

@Gordon: just change your name to barnacle...

also the "fanbuoys" spelling was laughable...
February 2, 2012 6:11:01 AM

4745454b said:
I just wish Gordon would realize that the GTX560 IS NOT a GTX460. The 560 does perform faster. (I also wish he would change his name and stop ruining the real Gordon Freeman's name. But I know that isn't going to happen.)

OP, the 6770 is an ok card. Should be enough to make most games look pretty, even at 1080. You won't be able to max out the newest one, but everything should at least be playable. Sometimes you have to get what the budget allows.

GTX 560 is an GTX 460 and I am basing my info on what TH even said it OK and I posted the article so the proof is there to back up my claims so what are you on about trying to make another Nvidia Mantra about how a GTX is more than the sum of its parts. Quote from TH article - (The Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 Review: Take off Your Ti ) - "the GF114 is functionally identical to GF104. It was simply reworked to deliver higher clocks while using less power" So that is a glorified long winded way of saying GTX 560 = OCed GTX 460 and are you calling Tom's Hardware a fraud cause that's where I based and sourced my info about the GTX 560. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-amp...
a c 88 U Graphics card
February 2, 2012 6:21:32 AM

Gordon Freeman said:
GTX 560 is an GTX 460 and I am basing my info on what TH even said it OK and I posted the article so the proof is there to back up my claims so what are you on about trying to make another Nvidia Mantra about how a GTX is more than the sum of its parts. Quote from TH article - (The Nvidia GeForce GTX 560 Review: Take off Your Ti ) - "the GF114 is functionally identical to GF104. It was simply reworked to deliver higher clocks while using less power" So that is a glorified long winded way of saying GTX 560 = OCed GTX 460 and are you calling Tom's Hardware a fraud cause that's where I based and sourced my info about the GTX 560. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-amp...



Troll much? :hello: 
February 2, 2012 6:34:43 AM

monsta said:
Troll much? :hello: 

How is backing up 100% Tom's Hardware approved and published TRUE information that was erroneously labeled as false to be considered trolling LOL OK could you explain please honestly because in reality it seems anytime some provides any truth about Nvidia that might not Hype it up into oblivion they are labeled a troll. I can understand if it's a personal problem people have with me but dont call TH a fraud unless its true which it was not.
a c 84 U Graphics card
February 2, 2012 6:57:27 AM

@gordon freeman first of all an gtx 460= hd 6850 and gtx 560=hd 6870.

you are always interfering in many threads and every right answer and giving wrong reply information you dont know anything just giving sh** answers showing that you are the best let me tell you one thing that man if u know everything than thats good keep your knowledge with you and if u like to reply in every thread then dont interfere in right answers because we know we are going to tell and you are not giving the answer to the thread opener who want help so plz stop that stupidity.
February 2, 2012 7:09:26 AM

:lol: 
February 2, 2012 7:15:25 AM

sunnk said:
@gordon freeman first of all an gtx 460= hd 6850 and gtx 560=hd 6870.

you are always interfering in many threads and every right answer and giving wrong reply information you dont know anything just giving sh** answers showing that you are the best let me tell you one thing that man if u know everything than thats good keep your knowledge with you and if u like to reply in every thread then dont interfere in right answers because we know we are going to tell and you are not giving the answer to the thread opener who want help so plz stop that stupidity.

So than it is agreed bug GTX 460 and GTX 560 are one and the same and I am not hating on Nvidia GTX 460 was there best card ever all things considered hence why it is still going to day in the form of GTX 560. Did you even read the article Take off your Ti By Tom's Hardware cause perhaps its time for some learning. 6850 is a faster better card card than GTX 460 and it should be it newer and more efficient than a GTX 560 and 6870 is trading blows with 560ti.
February 2, 2012 7:17:02 AM

sunnk said:
@gordon freeman first of all an gtx 460= hd 6850 and gtx 560=hd 6870.

you are always interfering in many threads and every right answer and giving wrong reply information you dont know anything just giving sh** answers showing that you are the best let me tell you one thing that man if u know everything than thats good keep your knowledge with you and if u like to reply in every thread then dont interfere in right answers because we know we are going to tell and you are not giving the answer to the thread opener who want help so plz stop that stupidity.

PS I like Nvidia it's the best MOFOs I also like Radeon is also the best MOFOs and I love AMD and Intels OK.
a c 84 U Graphics card
February 2, 2012 7:18:01 AM

Gordon Freeman said:
So than it is agreed bug GTX 460 and GTX 560 are one and the same and I am not hating on Nvidia GTX 460 was there best card ever all things considered hence why it is still going to day in the form of GTX 560. Did you even read the article Take off your Ti By Tom's Hardware cause perhaps its time for some learning. 6850 is a faster better card card than GTX 460 and it should be it newer and more efficient than a GTX 560 and 6870 is trading blows with 560ti.


:sleep:  :sleep:  :sleep: 
February 2, 2012 7:29:12 AM

sunnk said:
:sleep:  :sleep:  :sleep: 

What do you know son you have a Compaq ready built PC and your 15 LOL get some sleep for school it thrusday after all so then one day you can buy yourself a real PC then you earned the rights to talk smack.
a c 84 U Graphics card
February 2, 2012 7:38:51 AM

Gordon Freeman said:
What do you know son you have a Compaq ready built PC and your 15 LOL get some sleep for school it thrusday after all so then one day you can buy yourself a real PC then you earned the rights to talk smack.


uncle that doesnt matter whether i m of 15 years and my pc is cheap i m going to built my pc soon after two months i m collecting money for it and i will build pc with my own money and let me tell you that age doesnt matter in study knowledge matters a lot that you dont have you are bigger then me but your brain is smaller then me u r like uncle max on nickelodeon stupid and mad with small brain :lol:  .and one more thing i think that a born baby will also get a bigger mind then u uncle sam or max sweeper. :lol: 
a c 84 U Graphics card
February 2, 2012 7:51:16 AM

Gordon Freeman said:
What do you know son you have a Compaq ready built PC and your 15 LOL get some sleep for school it thrusday after all so then one day you can buy yourself a real PC then you earned the rights to talk smack.


yes i m an child but i like to help and share my knowledge with thread openers because they dont know thats why and i have got 15 best answers in 10-12 days because of my knowledge i got three badges because of my knowledge i got graphics badge because of my knowledge. :sol:  what do you got nothing being an self dependent guy who knows nothing i m 15 years and i m getting first rank to third rank always in school because i got that much knowledge i have come to toms hardware to learn all the things about pc and make my parents feel proud of my self and age doesnt matter knowledge does matter in toms hardware.
a c 84 U Graphics card
February 2, 2012 8:07:18 AM

Gordon Freeman said:
What do you know son you have a Compaq ready built PC and your 15 LOL get some sleep for school it thrusday after all so then one day you can buy yourself a real PC then you earned the rights to talk smack.


one more thing because i m an child thats why i got compaq made cpu because i m an child i cannot afford that time more then that because it was my first pc with my collected money.:) 
February 2, 2012 9:07:25 AM

sunnk said:
one more thing because i m an child thats why i got compaq made cpu because i m an child i cannot afford that time more then that because it was my first pc with my collected money.:) 

Im sorry dude just keep up with the studies so when the time comes you to can build a real nice PC for CHEAP CHEAP.
a c 193 U Graphics card
February 2, 2012 9:08:04 AM

A nice leather belt for holding up one's pants is "functionally equivalent" to a nylon cord used for the same purpose, but no one is going to call them "the same." More on point, based on Cleeve's chart, a HD4830 offers similar performance to a HD6670; no one calls them "the same." GF, you have some points, but belaboring them makes you look like an idiot, a troll, or both. Tossing an idea into a discussion is not the same as harping on it; please stop. Repeating an idea across many threads is fine too; that's consistency, and I know that's something I do all the time myself. Repeating it in the same thread is a case of doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result (in this case, for people to agree with you); isn't that part of a definition of insanity? Please stop.
February 2, 2012 9:25:49 AM

Onus said:
A nice leather belt for holding up one's pants is "functionally equivalent" to a nylon cord used for the same purpose, but no one is going to call them "the same." More on point, based on Cleeve's chart, a HD4830 offers similar performance to a HD6670; no one calls them "the same." GF, you have some points, but belaboring them makes you look like an idiot, a troll, or both. Tossing an idea into a discussion is not the same as harping on it; please stop. Repeating an idea across many threads is fine too; that's consistency, and I know that's something I do all the time myself. Repeating it in the same thread is a case of doing the same thing over and over, expecting a different result (in this case, for people to agree with you); isn't that part of a definition of insanity? Please stop.

Difference being your example of 4830 and 6670 are two completely different architectures whereas GTX 460 and GTX 560 are identical cards 560 just has a fresh coat off paint and different numbers so to speak but it is the same card as GTX 460
a c 88 U Graphics card
February 2, 2012 9:28:03 AM

Gordon Freeman said:
How is backing up 100% Tom's Hardware approved and published TRUE information that was erroneously labeled as false to be considered trolling LOL OK could you explain please honestly because in reality it seems anytime some provides any truth about Nvidia that might not Hype it up into oblivion they are labeled a troll. I can understand if it's a personal problem people have with me but dont call TH a fraud unless its true which it was not.



Trollolololol :kaola: 
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