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April 10, 2012 2:33:34 AM

hey guys,

Put this together on newegg and was wondering what your opinions are on it, not sure if ive got everything, please let me know anything that might help me out, and if you have something that might be better than something else please let me know!






Antec DF-85 Black Steel / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case

AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor FD4100WMGUSBX

Antec 761345-75026-4 120mm Red LED Case Fan

ASUS Crosshair V Formula AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Gaming Motherboard with 3-Way SLI/CrossFireX Support and ...


EVGA 01G-P3-1460-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

CORSAIR Professional Series HX750 (CMPSU-750HX) 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified ...


Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model 997015

Samsung by Seagate Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ/ST500DM005 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

ASUS VH236H Black 23" Full HD Widescreen LCD Monitor w/ Speakers

LITE-ON Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDS118-04 - OEM

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM


Rosewill RNX-N250PCe (RNWD-11005) PCI Express 150/300Mbps 2T2R Wireless Adapter

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel

Rosewill RTK-002 Anti-Static Wrist Strap

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April 10, 2012 4:55:25 AM

This topic has been moved from the section Opinions and Experiences to section Systems by Pyree
April 10, 2012 7:09:59 AM

Drop the Wrist Strap and Case Fan.
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April 10, 2012 7:19:01 AM

Go with a Core i3 2100.
April 10, 2012 7:19:47 AM

The i3-2100 may be better at stock, but once the FX 4100 is OCed to 4 GHz, it will kick its butt into oblivion.
April 10, 2012 11:19:01 AM

well i really dont want to get an i3 because amd is so much cheaper, and i personally like them more. Is it a bad idea to stay with the fx4100?
April 10, 2012 11:31:35 AM

azeem40 said:
The i3-2100 may be better at stock, but once the FX 4100 is OCed to 4 GHz, it will kick its butt into oblivion.


Not true. My 4170 @ 4.8ghz is only slightly outperforming a 2120 after the overclock. Only reason I didn't get an I series is I had the am3+ board and an x3 before bulldozer debuted.

Also, you may as well get the 2120 if you were thinking about the 2100. $3 for 200 Ghz....
April 10, 2012 11:44:12 AM

AMD isn't cheaper anymore.

the only amd chips that can beat a 2120 as far as gaming are more expensive than it is. even then, you need to overclock the amd chips before they're competitive.

If you are willing to overclock, you could get either the 4170, or a 975/980 black edition. You could also get the 1090t or 1100t black edition, but there's really no point in the 6 core chips for gaming.

the cheapest of those would be the 975 black @$129, *if* you buy the OEM version (no cooler).
April 10, 2012 11:44:23 AM

quilciri said:
Not true. My 4170 @ 4.8ghz is only slightly outperforming a 2120 after the overclock. Only reason I didn't get an I series is I had the am3+ board and an x3 before bulldozer debuted.

Also, you may as well get the 2120 if you were thinking about the 2100. $3 for 200 Ghz....




hey my second choice is the 4170, would you reccomend it with my setup? im sticking with the 4100 unless it turns out to be bad, but if you like your 4170 then please let me know, and give your pros and cons on it.

thanks
April 10, 2012 11:49:08 AM

azeem40 said:
The i3-2100 may be better at stock, but once the FX 4100 is OCed to 4 GHz, it will kick its butt into oblivion.

bulldozer=EPIC FAIL!!!!
x4 chips are better IMO.
April 10, 2012 11:50:11 AM

@powerkitman,what's your max budget?
April 10, 2012 11:52:36 AM

im at 1350... i would like to stay at that.
April 10, 2012 11:53:22 AM

powerkiteman1 said:
hey my second choice is the 4170, would you reccomend it with my setup? im sticking with the 4100 unless it turns out to be bad, but if you like your 4170 then please let me know, and give your pros and cons on it.

thanks


The point of that comment is that I'm NOT recommending the 4170 *or* the 4100, or really AMD at all unless you're willing to overclock.
April 10, 2012 11:54:10 AM

hellfire24 said:
@powerkitman,what's your max budget?




right now the computer is at 1350, I would like to stay at that, i don't want to go less than a 4 core processor.
April 10, 2012 11:56:12 AM

quilciri said:
The point of that comment is that I'm NOT recommending the 4170 *or* the 4100, or really AMD at all unless you're willing to overclock.





well i really do not care about a few ghz, that's not what i'm worried about, what I want to know is if either of those preform well, im most likely going to not overclock any processor,


Pretty much, how do you like you 4170, would you recommend buying it?
April 10, 2012 11:58:50 AM

Even if you are willing to overclock, I'd still recommend the 2120. While my 4170 overclocked is slightly outperforming a stock 2120, the 2120 is only multiplier locked, and based on reviews, it *does* have 2-300 mhz of fsb overclocking in it, which would likely bring it back to even again.

If your main purpose is for gaming, don't worry too much about a four core processor. games aren't likely to use more than 2 for a while. Those that use 2 cores do so by offloading the A.I. onto the second processor. parallel programming is hard as it is, and the first person to crack how to parallelize iterations where the new computation depends on the previous answer (i.e. gaming) will probably be nominated for a nobel....

Even battlefield 3, which gets held up so often as a 4 core example. really only uses 2. the game acceses four, but doesn't use them.
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2011/11/10/battlefield...
April 10, 2012 11:59:52 AM

powerkiteman1 said:
right now the computer is at 1350, I would like to stay at that, i don't want to go less than a 4 core processor.


you can build way better intel rig.
April 10, 2012 12:02:53 PM

ok, well the main reason is i would like to stick with amd, mainly because i've built everything around that, and if the 4100 and the 4170 are not bad, as in not working well, then i would like to stick with them, but if you have issues with your 4170 or have any reason that it isn't good to get in the long run, then please let me know
April 10, 2012 12:08:48 PM

for $1350,you can build a far better intel rig that will kick any amd rig.
April 10, 2012 12:17:03 PM

I can't think of a logical reason to stay with AMD other than to spite intel (which I can understand).

However, AMD is not cheaper and not really better bang for the buck anymore either. For your record, I'm not actually recommending amd at all.

If you insist on AMD despite all the advice against it for gaming machine purposes, then any late gen x4 will do (965, 975, 980).

Since you're not going to overclock, you don't need a black edition, but the 970 is the only non-black edition in that performance tier.

As far as bulldozer chips, the 4170 is the only gaming option that's even close to worth the money, but once again that's not even worth it unless you overclock it

As I've also said before, you get more for your money with a sandy bridge solution in that price range at stock speeds. If I were starting from scratch, I'd be picking up a 2120.

- nothing to do with this build, but the llano chips @$100 and under are f'ckin awesome. I don't know why AMD's not trying to push these chips into tablets.
April 10, 2012 11:11:03 PM

ok well, how do you like you 4170?
April 10, 2012 11:34:39 PM

ok here is something else,


My first option was to go with the fx6100 six core processor, i will be running 8 total fans, and the hyper 212 heat sink, some may say i will need water cooling, but do you really thing i will with that?
April 10, 2012 11:39:39 PM

I have seen the benchmarks and all but Tom's says onced OCed to 4.0 GHz you will notice a difference.
April 10, 2012 11:47:09 PM

No, only way it can overheat is without adequate cooling.
April 10, 2012 11:56:34 PM

will i have adequate cooling?
April 11, 2012 12:46:18 AM

Depends on your case and CPU HSF. Since you're not OCing, though, get the i3-2120 as it performs better at stock.
April 11, 2012 1:16:12 AM

i will have 8 fans running, and a 120mm heatsink
April 11, 2012 1:19:26 AM

You are not going to have any problems.
April 11, 2012 1:22:09 AM

I would bet my life on it.
April 11, 2012 1:24:12 AM

alright so its done im going with the 6100!!!!!!!!
April 11, 2012 1:25:56 AM

Since you're not OCing, though, get the i3-2120 as it performs better at stock.
April 11, 2012 1:31:48 AM

Lower power consumption and better performance. Worth it. :) 
April 11, 2012 1:38:05 AM

im going with the amd, im no hardcore gamer, this arises another question, atm i have the evga 560 ti 2gb 256 bit, shud i change that to a radeon?
April 11, 2012 1:41:16 AM

No offense, but why?
April 11, 2012 1:47:35 AM

mainly because i already have my entire computer built around this and i don't see anything wrong with the amd processors, i mean intel is good and all, but im not looking at spending a few extra dollars for a few minor differences, i know that the i3 may be more reliable and a little fast, and may use less power, but I think that my build is going to be fine with amd. If there was something wrong with amd i may rethink this, but i have friends who love this, and i think down the road when newer cpu's come out, i can use those with my mother board, where as if i get the i3 ill have to get the processor based around my mother board, getting just the right socket, and plus it takes months for intels prices to even start to go down let alone get to a reasonable price, where amd's prices come out at a good price, ( my opinion ) , but when an amd processor comes out then i can buy it right away and plug it straight into my motherboard with making sure a few things a right. I think in the long run it will be just a little better
April 11, 2012 1:50:24 AM

You are being blatantly told by everyone that at stock speeds Sandy Bridge will outdo any AMD at stock (only talking stock since you don't plan on OC'ing). Don't ask for advice and then refuse it, take the advice that was given by everyone and go with it. No reason not to go with i3-2120 in your case.
April 11, 2012 2:00:54 AM

i may use a i5 or an i7...
April 11, 2012 2:02:48 AM

my budget is 1500, im not going over it. if you had to recomend an intel processor, which one
April 11, 2012 2:03:33 AM

i5-2500k is as good as it gets for gaming. You won't notice any improvements by going with the i7-2600k for gaming. You will notice improvements with the i7 if you doing CPU intensive tasks like video editing/photshop.
April 11, 2012 2:04:32 AM

i5-2500k is a excellent choice.
April 11, 2012 2:05:47 AM

ok so if i go with the 2500k, and say i overclock, will i overheat?
April 11, 2012 2:07:21 AM

in the 2500k, what motherboard would you reccomend?
April 11, 2012 2:07:53 AM

If your MAX budget is $1500 why were you going with a FX-4100?
April 11, 2012 2:08:34 AM

The EVO cooler is the best cooler out of the two you linked
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