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April 11, 2012 8:12:27 PM

The build is pretty well complete, just looking for some second opinions. It's the best I could do for roughly $600, I can't go any higher than that, I'm on a tightttt budget. I'm going to be gaming, most likely Diablo 3 and other MMORPG's, no fps games.
Question: Would a USB wireless internet compatible with Windows 7, work with windows 8?


RAM: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55546&promoid=1101
HDD: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=63468
Video Card: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61022
CPU: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=46281&promoid=1101
DVD: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=49597&promoid=1101
Motherboard: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=52677&promoid=1205
Case (I like flashy): http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57910&promoid=1101
PSU: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&promoid=1101
April 11, 2012 8:34:18 PM

Your pushing it with that psu, and your leaving yourself no room for upgrades.

I'd suggest at least a good 550w-600w.
April 11, 2012 8:36:39 PM

Hey,

Can you please fill out this form:
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic...

It'll help us decide whether or not there are better parts for your specific usage while taking in consideration your personal preferences.

(For lazy people like me) For now, you have:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition
Motherboard: ASUS M4A87TD/USB3
RAM: Mushkin Enhanced Silverline Stiletto 4GB 2X2GB PC3-10666 DDR3-1333 9-9-9-24
PSU: Antec Neo Eco 450C
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB
GPU: XFX Radeon HD 6770
Optical drive
Case: Zalman Z9 Plus ATX Mid Tower

To answer your question, a WiFi thumb drive certified for Windows 7 (x86 and x64) will probably work with windows 8.

I'll wait til you fill out the form before making a suggestion. :) 
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April 11, 2012 8:42:01 PM

geekapproved said:
Your pushing it with that psu, and your leaving yourself no room for upgrades.

I'd suggest at least a good 550w-600w.


Well, I thought that too. Until I made this topic : http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/331473-28-good-radeon...

All those guys are saying I should be fine with the 450 psu. If there's no need for any more than that, I'll keep it.

and @Quicksand10

I'm not really sure what you want me to do. :o 
April 11, 2012 8:49:10 PM

I am assuming you are planning to use W8 preview to avoid the cost of an OS? If so you are going to be sad panda and likely won't find drivers for most of your hardware and will have a problem trying to run many types of software (including games) in it's current state.

You can get a 6790 for a hair cheaper: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60185&vpn=AX6790%201GBD5%...

Personally I would go with an i3 set-up and then continue to save for an IB CPU future upgrade, but your AMD set-up will certainly be fine for D3 and current MMORPG's, however as much as it pains me to say it, you would have a better upgrade path (performance wise) going the Intel route.





April 11, 2012 8:50:54 PM

surrenderz said:
Well, I thought that too. Until I made this topic : http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/331473-28-good-radeon...

All those guys are saying I should be fine with the 450 psu. If there's no need for any more than that, I'll keep it.

and @Quicksand10

I'm not really sure what you want me to do. :o 


The PSU may be fine but what he is saying is that if you have future plans to upgrade or overclock you will have limited ability to do so.
April 11, 2012 8:52:47 PM

Sorry, wrong link.

Updated
April 11, 2012 8:55:59 PM

kcsmacker said:
The PSU may be fine but what he is saying is that if you have future plans to upgrade or overclock you will have limited ability to do so.


I don't have any plans any time soon to upgrade or overclock. No need to for me really. And If I were to upgrade down the road (don't get me wrong I will sometime) I will upgrade the power supply as well.

But this is a budget PC, and if these parts will do the job, I'm happy. Diablo 3 was my motivation for doing this... It's not like i'm going to be playing Battlefield, Crysis, etc. (you get the point).

And at the moment, my laptop can't even open Diablo 3 let alone run it (tried with the beta). So yeah that's where I'm coming from. I don't need a beast of all machines.
April 11, 2012 8:59:12 PM

surrenderz said:
I don't have any plans any time soon to upgrade or overclock. No need to for me really. And If I were to upgrade down the road (don't get me wrong I will sometime) I will upgrade the power supply as well.

But this is a budget PC, and if these parts will do the job, I'm happy. Diablo 3 was my motivation for doing this... It's not like i'm going to be playing Battlefield, Crysis, etc. (you get the point).


If you upgrade later and buy another PSU, it's a "buy cheap, buy twice" decision...

The parts you chose will probably do the job, but when we know your intentions we'll be able to decide what's best...
April 11, 2012 9:04:19 PM

Well the video card is pretty weak compared to the rest of the system, so already leaving yourself with no upgrade path psu wise wouldn't be a good idea. A 6770 is roughly as fast as a 5770, which is quite a bit slower than my 4yr old 5850 at stock speeds.

What if you decide you need a better video card, which I think you will, then your gonna have to buy a new psu again. But hey, I understand your on a budget so go with what you can afford.

April 11, 2012 9:09:01 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: Today.

Budget Range: $600 before rebates. Sorry, updated.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Surfing, Music.

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor, OS, Speakers.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I've made my decision to order from ncix.com.

Country: Canada

Parts Preferences: AMD. Simply because of price.

Overclocking: No.

SLI or Crossfire: No.

Monitor Resolution: I think it's 1440 X 900

Additional Comments: Like blue LED.
April 11, 2012 9:28:00 PM

Like the posters before me, and for approximately the same reasons, I would have to suggest a better PSU...

In the same price range:
XFX 650W PRO650W Core Edition Single Rail ATX 12V 53A 24PIN ATX Power Supply 80PLUS Bronze PSU ~49$ after rebates.

Also, I hate myself for saying this, but if you're on a strict budget and you don't really need upgradability, you don't really need a full-ATX motherboard, and thus you can save money by going with a smaller case and a microATX motherboard...

Just a thought...
April 11, 2012 9:38:36 PM

quicksand10 said:
Like the posters before me, and for approximately the same reasons, I would have to suggest a better PSU...

In the same price range:
XFX 650W PRO650W Core Edition Single Rail ATX 12V 53A 24PIN ATX Power Supply 80PLUS Bronze PSU ~49$ after rebates.

Also, I hate myself for saying this, but if you're on a strict budget and you don't really need upgradability, you don't really need a full-ATX motherboard, and thus you can save money by going with a smaller case and a microATX motherboard...

Just a thought...


Put's me in an awkward position...
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70426&vpn=GA-M68MT-S2&man...

Actually, I need to do before rebates. Anyhow... what about that motherboard? Updated my post. Garbage?
April 11, 2012 9:41:12 PM

If you're on a tight budget, you can choose to go with a "garbage" board...
I mean, if you don't like toying in your BIOS much, might as well...
April 11, 2012 9:48:08 PM

quicksand10 said:
If you're on a tight budget, you can choose to go with a "garbage" board...
I mean, if you don't like toying in your BIOS much, might as well...


I am sorry... I just happen to be on a tight budget.

I'm just asking if that motherboard will do? You guys know a lot more than I do. Do you mind helping me choose another motherboard if that one is absolutely no good?
I don't plan on playing with my BIOS.

How's this one ? It's a little better. http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65826&vpn=A880GU3&manufac...
April 11, 2012 10:07:58 PM

quicksand10 said:
In that case, then, go with the cheapest board with the AM3 socket.

This one's not so bad.
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65829&vpn=A780L3B&manufac...


Is it terrible that it's not USB3.0?

Also, I switched my PSU to the one you suggested, due to the fact that I got rid of that $100 ATX Mobo. Could I even drop lower to the XFX 550W, or stick with the 650W?
April 11, 2012 10:13:12 PM

Newegg.ca is much cheaper and has a wider array of components to choose from.
April 11, 2012 10:18:29 PM


That's a great price for a PhII 965BE. You should probably snag an AM3+ motherboard. There is a MSI 970 AM3+ for $90.

April 11, 2012 10:19:40 PM

azeem40 said:
Newegg.ca is much cheaper and has a wider array of components to choose from.


I try to stay away from Newegg. Example, that XFX 650W PSU that Quicksand10 suggested is 60 bucks on NCIX, is 100 dollars on Newegg.ca, and has 15 dollar shipping on it.

Newegg's shipping is terrible. I live in Toronto, and there's MANY NCIX warehouses around here.
April 11, 2012 10:20:34 PM

All the boards were suggesting are AM3+.
April 11, 2012 10:23:57 PM

geekapproved said:
All the boards were suggesting are AM3+.


:(  And the processor is AM3.
April 11, 2012 10:24:05 PM

surrenderz said:
The build is pretty well complete, just looking for some second opinions. It's the best I could do for roughly $600, I can't go any higher than that, I'm on a tightttt budget. I'm going to be gaming, most likely Diablo 3 and other MMORPG's, no fps games.
Question: Would a USB wireless internet compatible with Windows 7, work with windows 8?


RAM: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55546&promoid=1101
HDD: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=63468
Video Card: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61022
CPU: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=46281&promoid=1101
DVD: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=49597&promoid=1101
Motherboard: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=52677&promoid=1205
Case (I like flashy): http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57910&promoid=1101
PSU: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60491&promoid=1101






MB: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
CPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
GPU:http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
PSU http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
RAM: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
Case: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
HDD: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
Heat-Sink: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...
Thermal Compound http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

This Is $651.89 before taxes

I like AMD just for the price,and overall they are best bang for the buck and also all their MB can use pretty much any CPU besides the APU but that's just me. It's all depends on pricing, what kind of games, and budget.
April 11, 2012 10:24:37 PM

I would buy the CPU at newegg since it should be cheaper.
April 11, 2012 10:44:49 PM

Quote:
Your a fast learner Einstein. Point?


Is that an insult? :( 
April 11, 2012 11:34:33 PM

AM3 is the older socket, but it is supported by AM2+, AM3 and AM3+ sockets.

In other words, you can put your processor on a motherboard with either AM2+, AM3 or AM3+ socket.

AM3 motherboards would be cheaper, but with an AM3+ board, you will be able to upgrade to an AMD Bulldozer (and maybe a Piledriver, we don't know yet).
April 11, 2012 11:46:22 PM

Quote:
Your a fast learner Einstein. Point?

There are many things wrong with this post.
April 12, 2012 12:04:02 AM

quicksand10 said:
AM3 is the older socket, but it is supported by AM2+, AM3 and AM3+ sockets.

In other words, you can put your processor on a motherboard with either AM2+, AM3 or AM3+ socket.

AM3 motherboards would be cheaper, but with an AM3+ board, you will be able to upgrade to an AMD Bulldozer (and maybe a Piledriver, we don't know yet).


Phenom II 965BE would work on an AM3+ ?
April 12, 2012 12:07:48 AM

Yes it should.
April 12, 2012 12:09:33 AM

Yes.
AM2+ boards might not have any of the new features but will be cheap.
AM3+ boards will probably be slightly more expensive.
AM3 boards are in between.

Up to you. Do the comparison between boards you're considering.

Also, consider shopping around different sites. If you're in Canada:

ncix.ca
directcanada.com
newegg.ca
tigerdirect.ca

Also go visit your local brick and mortar stores nd take a look at Future Shop and Best Buy, as they sometimes have some neat specials.
April 12, 2012 12:32:23 AM


There is a combo deal rig on NE-Canada with a PhII 965 and GB 880-chipset AM3+ full-boat no OS for $409 - ring it up and see what the shipping is . . .

There were HD6870s starting around $170-$180 after rebates. An XFX HD 6950 2GB was around $230-$240 after rebate (did not appear to be a dualBIOS reference design)


April 12, 2012 4:29:18 AM

quicksand10 said:
Go with this PSU instead. It's from a more reliable brand.
http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=59616&vpn=P1650SNLB9&m...

If you're thinking of (maybe, perhaps, at one point in time) getting an SSD, I would suggest a motherboard with SATA III
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
As a matter of fact, at 55$ after the MIR, you should buy this board (even if it means buying only the motherboard from Newegg.ca)


Honestly man, I think i'm just going to go with this cheap Biostar one that you linked me: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=65829&vpn=A780L3B&manufac...
a Phenom II wouldn't work with this right? http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=67664&promoid=1201
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