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April 13, 2012 5:30:35 AM
April 13, 2012 5:37:51 AM

if your going with 6670 better go with amd apu it will crossfire with that and buy the rams that comes in 2 pieces already they are much cheaper and buy 2 of those kit for total of 4 stick
everything else is ok but i do suggest getting a better brand psu or go with corsair cx500 psu its cheap and a better build
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April 13, 2012 5:51:11 AM

that will cost more money and I want to stay where Im at, if I chose apu over my graphic card and the processor would it be a big downgrade when it comes to playing games?
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April 13, 2012 6:33:01 AM

processor
The athlon you picked is a dual core part (x2). Trying to get a quad core on your budget will just leave you with poor gaming performance.

$80 pentium G630. It's a faster processor than the athlon for cheaper.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

here's the comparison
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

It's also a socket 1155 chip, so you could even swap it out for an i5 2500k or something similar later on.

motherboard
$55 MSI H61M-P20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM
$27 G.skill 4gb 2x2 1333
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - *please* change your PSU, the one in the current build is a POS
$45 CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 V2 ($35 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

never cheap out on the power supply.

video card
$60 Galaxy GeForce GTS 250 1 GB. It's a much better card than the 6670 for cheaper.
(the gts 250 is roughly equivalent to an HD 7750)
http://www.amazon.com/Galaxy-GeForce-Express-Graphics-2...

here's the comparison for the video card
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

HDD
$30, your HDD is fine.

case
$30, your case is fine.
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total $327 before mail in rebate ($317 after)

The extra $13 should *about* cover shipping
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April 13, 2012 7:04:36 AM

^^ +1. Pretty good build right there.
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April 13, 2012 9:17:18 AM

Oh, I might have made a bad assumption about your case. Even though it's sized for ATX, it doesn't list micro ATX as a compatibility in the newegg details like most ATX cases do. Looking at pictures of the case, it looks like the case has stamped in standouts for ATX only. If it does also support micro ATX, it will come with a couple standouts in the little screw-baggie to put in for the smaller board that fit into the square holes you see in the pictures. I can't think of any reason why an ATX case wouldn't also support micro ATX, it costs practically nothing to add.

All the same, I'd hate for you to find out your mobo doesn't fit in your case here's a couple of micro ATX cases for the same price:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
2 80mm fans

or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
1 120mm fan, space for a 2nd

Or this one (1 120mm, space for a 2nd)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It's $35, but supports ATX and micro ATX, as well as having a couple other niceties - a cutout for installing the CPU cooler, and a bottom-mount for the PSU (so the PSU isn't sucking in the hot air from inside the case).
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April 13, 2012 10:15:46 AM

Are you going to use this build mainly for gaming?
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April 13, 2012 11:52:30 AM

I would go with APU
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April 13, 2012 1:55:01 PM

tmk221 said:
I would go with APU

If for gaming, please no.

A8 3870k + HD6670 = $200

For the same money you can get a G620 + HD6850.

You cant even begin to compare the difference in gaming potential.
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April 13, 2012 2:22:12 PM

I generally agree with quilciri. Logisys makes PSU-shaped objects, that should never be connected to computer components if there is any possibility of them being attached to an A/C power source at the same time. The PSU I prefer to use in budget builds is the Antec EA-380D; it's $45 right now.
You MUST change your hard drive. You selected an IDE drive, and few motherboards even have IDE connectors any more.
For the video card, see if you can stretch your budget enough to accommodate this HD6770: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... for $90 ($80 after MIR if you play that game and win). This card will be much better than any of the others listed so far; that GTS250 has GDDR3, so it will probably only perform like a HD5670 with GDDR5.
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April 13, 2012 2:48:57 PM

Ok, here's an almost bottom-dollar build. There's nothing here I would not buy myself.

PowerColor AX6770 1GBD5-HV2 Radeon HD 6770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
Model #:AX6770 1GBD5-HV2
Item #:N82E16814131453
Mail in Rebate
$109.99 -$20.00 Instant $89.99
As mentioned above, for the price this performance can't be beat. If your budget is absolutely inflexible, and lower, there's a HIS HD5670 with GDDR5 and their fantastic IceQ cooler for $70.

Rosewill R218-P-BK Black SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Model #:R218-P-BK
Item #:N82E16811147073
$29.99 $29.99
I've built in this case. For a cheap case, it is decently sturdy, and I don't recall cutting myself in it. The fan is quiet but effective; another can be added up front.

ASRock H61M/U3S3 LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
Model #:H61M/U3S3
Item #:N82E16813157236
$74.99 -$5.00 Instant $69.99
For the price, includes current interfaces. ASRock is one of my preferred brands (#2 behind Asus).

Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W Continuous power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power ...
Model #:EA-380D Green
Item #:N82E16817371033
$59.99 -$15.00 Instant $44.99
Has been my "goto" PSU in budget builds for years. I haven't heard of one dying yet. Will power a HD6850 or HD7770 without breaking a sweat.

Intel Pentium G630 Sandy Bridge 2.7GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80623G630
Model #:BX80623G630
Item #:N82E16819116406
$79.99 $79.99
The sad truth is, this will outperform even higher priced AMD CPUs in games. This is probably the first thing I'd improve in this build if the budget is more flexible though, to an i3-2120.

G.SKILL NS 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL9D-4GBNS
Model #:F3-10600CL9D-4GBNS
Item #:N82E16820231394
$22.99 $22.99
G.Skill is my preferred RAM because it just works. I've never had to return a stick; no DOAs and no later RMAs.

Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKX 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Model #:WD3200AAKX
Item #:N82E16822136770
$84.99 -$10.00 Instant $74.99
Hard drive prices are still very high. This is probably as well as you'll do these days.

LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer - Bulk - Black SATA Model iHAS224-06 LightScribe Support - OEM
Model #:iHAS224-06
Item #:N82E16827106333
$20.99 $20.99
One optical drive is much like another. This one has Lightscribe.

Subtotal: $433.92
A little higher than you wanted to spend, but includes a couple things you did not (e.g. the optical drive), and offers better performance. I'd have a hard time cutting this down much and still keep a clear conscience, although the HIS HD5670 with the IceQ cooler is a card I would buy myself on a tight budget.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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April 13, 2012 5:12:50 PM

So who should I use build because two different people posted, I want a gaming computer that could run Diablo 3 when it comes out on some decent graphics
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April 13, 2012 5:58:11 PM

Well, that depends on how much you need to stay under budget. Either machine will run D3 well.

The 6770 is about 10% better than the 250, acc. to tom's rankings, but will cost you 50% more.

If you don't have an optical drive to reuse, you can grab
$18 LG DVD Burner 24X
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

which'll put you at $335 total in my build.
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April 13, 2012 6:37:59 PM

Keep a few things in mind:
1) we are in the midst of a little price war as the new generation of GPUs have just been released, so GPU prices will fall a bit more over the next few months before they stabilize again. I'm not sure on D3's release date, but I would get the GPU as late as possible unless you find a killer sale on something.

2) Ivy bridge is coming out at the end of the month, so you may be able to find some good used parts soon for cheap if you are not opposed to that. I would not expect much of a price drop on Sandy Bridge parts though from retail stores.

3) I would like to add my voice to what was said about the PSU: Do not skimp out on the power supply! The power supply is the #1 reason for computer problems (other than parts that arrive DOA).

4) Windows costs $100, so add that cost to all of the above builds unless you intend to use a copy of Linux or have your own copy of XP/7 to use.

5) That HDD is in fact IDE, which will not work with modern motherboards. Choose a SATA HDD, it does not matter if it is SATA1, 2, or 3 as SATA is cross compatible. Also, the HDD you choose was refurbished, and likely at the end of it's useful life. Always buy new HDDs, or reuse one that you personally know the history of.

6) other than the HDD, I would stick with quilciri's build at this point. It should serve you well.
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April 13, 2012 8:16:11 PM

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5) That HDD is in fact IDE, which will not work with modern motherboards. Choose a SATA HDD, it does not matter if it is SATA1, 2, or 3 as SATA is cross compatible. Also, the HDD you choose was refurbished, and likely at the end of it's useful life. Always buy new HDDs, or reuse one that you personally know the history of.


Doh! didn't even notice that.

At a $30 price point, though, you're limited to a 40gb SATA hard drive; if you spend $35, you can get an 80gb. neither one of those will do, unfortunately.

If you want to stay close to budget, I'd suggest getting an IDE hard drive anyway, (you need the space more than the minor speed boost) and then buying a IDE to SATA adapter ($4)

http://www.amazon.com/SATA-PATA-Drive-Interface-Adapter...
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April 13, 2012 8:28:07 PM

Oh, one other thing. If you live near a major metropolitan area, you might find PC junkyard shops.
They basically function the same as car junkyards, they buy really old pc's for cheap, then sell off the still serviceable parts. Some of them will even let you pull the parts yourself.

It's a very cheap option for commodity-type parts (CD-RW's, cases, cables). You can of course get other parts there, but it's a bit more of a risk with other components. Most of the shops do have a short free-return period, though (3-7 days in the chicago area).
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April 13, 2012 9:31:28 PM

I am fairly certain that a HD6770 with GDDR5 will be a lot more than 10% faster than a GTS250 with GDDR3 on it; if the latter were also GDDR5, only 10% might be more reasonable.
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April 13, 2012 9:56:49 PM

It's actually less than 10%. I'm using 6770's and my gf has a 250 in her machine. when I turn off xfire, it's about 8% difference @ 1920x1080 (3dmark). we're using the same processor, though her's isn't oc'd.

10% is just the approximate difference between the tier's in tom's hardware graphics card rankings, and the 250 is only one tier away from the 6770.

In any case, the 6770 is way out of budget for the OP, and the 250 is better than anything else within budget.
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April 24, 2012 10:40:07 AM

I would wait to build a system for Diablo 3 untill someone (Tom's Hardware) do a good review on it. They did a very good job with SWTOR. Their review on that game helped me decide what to upgrade which was my GPU.
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April 25, 2012 5:24:14 AM

@op
your ram is ddr3, but board is ddr2, so that ram will not work with that build
phenom 2 x2 560 is duel core not 4 (unlockable to 4).

quilciri suggested good build
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