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MSI GTX 460 Hawk Talon Attack and BF3/Skyrim?

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February 5, 2012 11:22:49 PM

My friend might be able to get a GTX 460 Talon Attack for $150, and he was wondering how it would perform with newer games. Could he play Skyrim and BF3 with high settings? His monitor has a low res, and the desktop is actually just an HP from Costco. It has a i5 2600, 16GB DDR3, and a 400-500W PSU. I actually am not sure if his PSU has connections for the card though...
So the question is, could he play BF3 and Skyrim at high, or even max settings on a res under 1440x900??
February 6, 2012 1:49:32 AM

at that res, I would think so, the Is that hawk new? if so that's a great price (although they are overpriced to begin with)
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February 6, 2012 2:03:31 AM

Skyrim is generally more limited by the CPU. Non-OCed (whatever convinced him to get a non-K 2600?), I think you'll still be able to get high settings out of it. BF3, maybe medium, as it's more dependent on the GPU.
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February 6, 2012 2:23:02 AM

kajabla said:
Skyrim is generally more limited by the CPU. Non-OCed (whatever convinced him to get a non-K 2600?), I think you'll still be able to get high settings out of it. BF3, maybe medium, as it's more dependent on the GPU.

I am sure that it can play BF 3 on High / Ultra on that resolution... atleast i can
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February 6, 2012 3:05:41 AM

With what kind of FPS, though? I'm looking for 60.
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February 6, 2012 3:22:50 AM

crisan_tiberiu said:
I am sure that it can play BF 3 on High / Ultra on that resolution... atleast i can


How are your fps on say a 64 player server on maxed out settings (or whatever settings you have)?
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February 6, 2012 3:25:38 AM

cpitts1 said:
at that res, I would think so, the Is that hawk new? if so that's a great price (although they are overpriced to begin with)


http://us.msi.com/product/vga/N460GTX-Hawk-Talon-Attack...

That's the card, and yeah it's an awesome deal. He was just telling me he wanted to play Skyrim and BF3 on his new computer, and that his mobo had the integrated Intel HD graphics. I told him it wouldn't run too well and then stumbled upon that 460. To power the 460, you need the psu power cables right? I don't think his psu has it.
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February 6, 2012 3:26:48 AM

kajabla said:
Skyrim is generally more limited by the CPU. Non-OCed (whatever convinced him to get a non-K 2600?), I think you'll still be able to get high settings out of it. BF3, maybe medium, as it's more dependent on the GPU.


He got the locked 2600 because that's what was in the HP at the local Costco here.
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February 6, 2012 3:48:37 AM

Sigh
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February 6, 2012 1:23:14 PM

well,with the hawk, he should have no problem OC'ing for more performance. and it's very possible that he may have to upgrade his PSU if his is non-modular and doesn't have the two 6 pin connectors required for the gtx 460. You could probably get a Legacy to 6 pin adapter provided that he has enough Legacy connectors. Oh and do you know if his PSU meets the requirements?
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February 6, 2012 1:46:17 PM

460 hawk is power hungry vga that wont fit into your system and over kill to a monitor with resolutions like that..
if you need to upgrade to fit with a monitor resolutions like that, i'll sugest you to pick a radeon 6670 plus you need to upgrade your psu with pure 500wats PSU.

Remember you sytem stability its depends on your psu..
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February 7, 2012 2:11:49 AM

mildsend said:
460 hawk is power hungry vga that wont fit into your system and over kill to a monitor with resolutions like that..
if you need to upgrade to fit with a monitor resolutions like that, i'll sugest you to pick a radeon 6670 plus you need to upgrade your psu with pure 500wats PSU.

Remember you sytem stability its depends on your psu..


It's actually my friends pc. But, I'll tell him. Why wouldn't it work though? He has the 2600 (And I know it's not unlocked, but it should still be playable, and also 16GB of ram...) I know his PSU should be upgraded, and monitor, which he says he's going to buy. Will any PSU work with his HP?
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February 7, 2012 3:06:46 AM

cpitts1 said:
Anyone that fits and has the proper cables.
so yes.
Here's a great PSU at a good price


Oh nice a SeaSonic. I'll tell him tomorrow. Thanks!
I had another question, but for me. I have an EVGA GTX 580, but it gets kinda warm in my RV03 (I think to like 70-80 when playing BF3 maxed out at 1920 for a couple hours) and was wondering, should I upgrade? I can get the PNY XLR8 Liquid Cooled CPU and 580. Should I get that and cool my i5 2500k which gets to like 60 under load with my Hyper 212+? Is it worth buying?
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February 7, 2012 7:08:59 PM

Are you OC'd? Because if not those temperatures aren't ideal (but also not terrible), I usually get 51 on load with my 212 evo. I don't really know anything about that particular cooler, but I'll check it out
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February 7, 2012 11:55:21 PM

cpitts1 said:
Are you OC'd? Because if not those temperatures aren't ideal (but also not terrible), I usually get 51 on load with my 212 evo. I don't really know anything about that particular cooler, but I'll check it out


Yeah, that's what I thought. I didn't think it was that cool. Maybe it was the thermal paste? It was a cheapy one I had that was hard as hell to spread evenly, or even spread at all. I want something that already has pre-applied thermal paste.
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February 8, 2012 12:14:53 AM

Not many cooler's have pre applied paste, just take 15 minutes and replace the coolant, I reccomend arctic silver cooling paste
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February 8, 2012 12:20:17 AM

cpitts1 said:
Not many cooler's have pre applied paste, just take 15 minutes and replace the coolant, I reccomend arctic silver cooling paste


Most of the water cooling kits like the h100 or Kuhler 920 have pre-applied paste...
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February 8, 2012 1:33:40 AM

Oh, I for some reason thought you had a $40 price range, i'm active on too many threads...
I still recommend you just re-apply the paste, but hey, i'm a cheapskate.
out of those two i would go with the H100
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February 8, 2012 2:10:28 AM

MisterFuuManchu said:
Oh nice a SeaSonic. I'll tell him tomorrow. Thanks!
I had another question, but for me. I have an EVGA GTX 580, but it gets kinda warm in my RV03 (I think to like 70-80 when playing BF3 maxed out at 1920 for a couple hours) and was wondering, should I upgrade? I can get the PNY XLR8 Liquid Cooled CPU and 580. Should I get that and cool my i5 2500k which gets to like 60 under load with my Hyper 212+? Is it worth buying?

Those GPU temps are really good and a PNY CPU/GPU liquid cooled edition costs about $650.
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February 8, 2012 2:12:05 AM

Oh yeah, the GPU temps are great (better than mine), it's the CPU temps that were mediocre
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February 8, 2012 5:11:24 AM

cpitts1 said:
Oh yeah, the GPU temps are great (better than mine), it's the CPU temps that were mediocre

Yeah, reapplying the thermal paste and/or upgrading the CPU cooler is a much cheaper way to go. I thought the hyper 212 was already a good cooler. Maybe check to see that the heatsink is firmly applied after applying new thermal paste. Actually, now that I think about it, since your GPU is so cool that means your case airflow is good, and therefore your CPU problem is related to your heatsink installation.

Here is a great roundup of thermal pastes:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermal-Compound...
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February 15, 2012 12:48:08 PM

Maybe I should buy some more thermal paste...Artic Silver is the best?
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February 15, 2012 4:17:24 PM

yes, IMO
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February 15, 2012 8:58:15 PM

cpitts1 said:
yes, IMO


Do I really have to let it cure for 24 hours??
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February 15, 2012 10:46:40 PM

MisterFuuManchu said:
Do I really have to let it cure for 24 hours??

No, you should start gaming right away. The curing process, if there is one, is something that will just improve the performance over time. It doesn't prevent it from being effective.
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February 19, 2012 2:07:20 AM

17seconds said:
No, you should start gaming right away. The curing process, if there is one, is something that will just improve the performance over time. It doesn't prevent it from being effective.


So I don't have to let it cure? Also, I read about some kind of paste but for a car that is supposedly better and much cheaper...Do you know of the name? I heard you can get it from Auto Zone or something.
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February 19, 2012 2:36:16 AM

MisterFuuManchu said:
So I don't have to let it cure? Also, I read about some kind of paste but for a car that is supposedly better and much cheaper...Do you know of the name? I heard you can get it from Auto Zone or something.

No I have not heard of that one. In the Hardware Secrets thermal paste roundup, they also give results for common household items like chocolate and butter. But no I they have not tested any auto products that I am aware of.
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February 19, 2012 7:44:34 AM

I have a Phenom II X4 955 @ 3.6 Ghz and a GTX 460 1GB @ 875 Mhz. I have a 1680x1050 monitor and can play Skyrim quite smoothly with the Ultra preset and shadows turn down to "High". Your friend should have no trouble doing the same at his resolution and using the hardware in your post.
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February 19, 2012 3:39:31 PM

17seconds said:
No I have not heard of that one. In the Hardware Secrets thermal paste roundup, they also give results for common household items like chocolate and butter. But no I they have not tested any auto products that I am aware of.


Oh OK...I'll take a look for some thermal at Frys or something when I get some cash. Thanks
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February 19, 2012 3:41:03 PM

jeffredo said:
I have a Phenom II X4 955 @ 3.6 Ghz and a GTX 460 1GB @ 875 Mhz. I have a 1680x1050 monitor and can play Skyrim quite smoothly with the Ultra preset and shadows turn down to "High". Your friend should have no trouble doing the same at his resolution and using the hardware in your post.


Oh, then he'd be able to max everything out because his monitor is lower than 1680x1050. But I think he forgot about it lol.
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February 19, 2012 3:56:40 PM

MisterFuuManchu said:
Oh OK...I'll take a look for some thermal at Frys or something when I get some cash. Thanks

It should be cheap, $5-$10.
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February 19, 2012 10:51:12 PM

17seconds said:
It should be cheap, $5-$10.

Oh wow. I saw some paste that was like $15-$25.
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February 20, 2012 12:18:16 AM

No more than $15 for the best stuff.
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February 20, 2012 4:02:43 PM

17seconds said:
No more than $15 for the best stuff.


Oh all right then I'll take a look sometime this week. Thanks
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February 20, 2012 5:25:31 PM

MisterFuuManchu said:
My friend might be able to get a GTX 460 Talon Attack for $150, and he was wondering how it would perform with newer games. Could he play Skyrim and BF3 with high settings? His monitor has a low res, and the desktop is actually just an HP from Costco. It has a i5 2600, 16GB DDR3, and a 400-500W PSU. I actually am not sure if his PSU has connections for the card though...
So the question is, could he play BF3 and Skyrim at high, or even max settings on a res under 1440x900??



I built and sold a system with an MSI cyclone gtx 460 1GB and could play bf3 at 1920x1080 on high with AA off with an average of 55fps. Your friend should be able to play in ultra but may need to turn off AA to maintain higher than 50FPS. Skyrim takes a little less gpu power to run in ultra but you need a good cpu to keep up. I think that is mostly since it really does not take full advantage of multiple cpu cores. For me, bf3 uses all 4 cores and 4 threads and they continuously run at 70% but skyrim only ever uses 2 or 3 cores at the same time and just as many threads. I sigh a little bit when I see 2cores and 2 threads dormant while I am playing.
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February 20, 2012 5:28:46 PM

Forgot to mention that is overclocked to 850MHz/2000MHz. Running at stock speeds, my average fps was 45-50.
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February 21, 2012 5:21:38 AM

alrobichaud said:
Forgot to mention that is overclocked to 850MHz/2000MHz. Running at stock speeds, my average fps was 45-50.


Wow so these 460s are still pretty decent cards...I was originally going to get two MSI Hawk Talon Attacks but chose to go with a 580. I don't think he bought it, but thanks for the information. I never OCed my 580 because I'm way too scared to blow it up or something.
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February 21, 2012 9:21:31 AM

MisterFuuManchu said:
Wow so these 460s are still pretty decent cards...I was originally going to get two MSI Hawk Talon Attacks but chose to go with a 580. I don't think he bought it, but thanks for the information. I never OCed my 580 because I'm way too scared to blow it up or something.



Looking strictly at 3dmark11 scores, with that system I sold I was able to hit as high as roughly 6800 when I was running sli gtx 460's. I deleted the results so I can't say exactly what it was but it was in that range. That score and many benchmarks put sli gtx 460 1GB on par with a single 580 but you have more vram so I think you made the right choice even though it probably cost you more in the end. BTW, that overclock was with stock voltage. I would only start worrying when you start increasing the voltage. With increased temps, your fan will simply have to ramp up more often to compensate. Use MSI afterburner and see what you can get out of your 580. You will see an improvement in game fps by overclocking your gpu.
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February 21, 2012 2:44:28 PM

alrobichaud said:
Looking strictly at 3dmark11 scores, with that system I sold I was able to hit as high as roughly 6800 when I was running sli gtx 460's. I deleted the results so I can't say exactly what it was but it was in that range. That score and many benchmarks put sli gtx 460 1GB on par with a single 580 but you have more vram so I think you made the right choice even though it probably cost you more in the end. BTW, that overclock was with stock voltage. I would only start worrying when you start increasing the voltage. With increased temps, your fan will simply have to ramp up more often to compensate. Use MSI afterburner and see what you can get out of your 580. You will see an improvement in game fps by overclocking your gpu.


I can use MSI Afterburner with my EVGA 580??
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February 21, 2012 3:00:32 PM

MisterFuuManchu said:
I can use MSI Afterburner with my EVGA 580??

Yes.
http://downloads.guru3d.com/Afterburner-2.0.0-Final-dow...
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