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April 14, 2012 1:38:30 AM

Hello forum!

I recently developed an interest in building my own computer. My current laptop is reaching its time and I thought the process could be an edifying experience. I'm extremely new to the whole business and lack much knowledge(so keep jargon to a minimum); hence my purpose coming here.
Although I am new I have done some research of my own and put together what I believe is a a great build for me and my wallet! I hope it will allow for me to game and multitask as I'd like to with plenty of room to upgrade and experiment as I learn more about computers(overclocking, sli/crossfire, etc).

The advice I'm seeking is if all my components are compatible with one another for I'd like to eliminate any bottle-necking. Also, if you have any recommendations on how I should adjust the build I would be more than happy to consider them.

I haven't gotten into any bargain hunting, I've just put together a general estimate based on what I've seen so far. The build is around $1200 and I would rather not go any more than that. So, take a look and tell me what you guys think!

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, mouse, monitor

Case- NZXT Phantom white blue. $130

fans- 2 NZXT FS-200RB-BLED 200mm SILENT Blue LED Fan with ON/OFF Switch $35

Motherboard- ASRock P67 EXTREME4 GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $150

CPU-i5 2500k. $180

Graphics Card- radeon hd 7850 $260

Ram- CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B $50

PSU-Rosewill HIVE Series HIVE-750 750W Continuous @40°C, 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified, Modular Design, Single +12V Rail, ATX12V v2.31/EPS12V v2.92, SLI Ready, CrossFire Ready, Active-PFC Power Supply $80

HDD- Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $100

SDD- Corsair Force Series 3 CSSD-F90GB3-BK 2.5" 90GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $120

CD- LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM $18

OS- Windows 7 $100

Thank you for your help and opinions!

-Jeremy

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April 14, 2012 1:40:06 AM

Also, I didn't see the template until now. I apologize in advance.
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April 14, 2012 1:44:44 AM

Looks okay, I would get the ASROCK Z77 Extreme4 mobo. Change the PSU to Corsair TX650 or 750. SSD to Crucial M4 128gb. A little more expensive, but it will be better in the long run.
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April 14, 2012 2:09:48 AM

Thanks, Gary, I appreciate the reply. I understand the motherboard and SSD exchange and will be following through with that, but could you enlighten me on your reasoning behind the PSU?
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April 14, 2012 2:17:20 AM

Rosewill is generally regarded as garbage Power Supplies.
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April 14, 2012 2:38:09 AM

Oh, I'll keep that in mind for future builds. I really appreciate the advice.
Also, in the future if I wanted to upgrade with overclocking, a second gpu, and possibly liquid cooling would the Corsair tx750 be able to handle that or would I want to upgrade to a 1000 watt?
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April 14, 2012 2:45:23 AM

RelicOfThought said:
Oh, I'll keep that in mind for future builds. I really appreciate the advice.
Also, in the future if I wanted to upgrade with overclocking, a second gpu, and possibly liquid cooling would the Corsair tx750 be able to handle that or would I want to upgrade to a 1000 watt?


For a 7850? 850W is more than enough. So might as well get the TX850 now.
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April 14, 2012 3:21:38 AM

Are you buying from MicroCenter? I saw that the i5-2500k was $180
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April 14, 2012 4:05:23 AM

That's where I saw it listed for that price, yes. As I said though, this is just a general price listing of what I've seen.

Frozonic, I took a look at the components you're advising and changed of few of my own. It looks as if the motherboard and PSU are a definite, seeing as how both you and Gary advised them and they are all around better. I also decided on the SSD and CPU cooler as they were needed exchanges. Thanks for the advice on the i5 3750k, I'll make sure to wait for that one. As for the ram and case I would like to stick with my own; I won't be overclocking for a long while at first so the extra $30 on ram will be a waste and the case is a preference.
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April 14, 2012 4:12:17 AM

You live near MicroCenter correct? Because you can't order only in-store pickup on there best deals.
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April 14, 2012 4:25:09 AM

I am ten minutes away, yes. I'm going to make use of their deals if I can.
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April 14, 2012 4:30:11 AM

Lucky, wish I lived near one. I live in Washington :/  Closest one is in California...
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April 14, 2012 4:40:31 AM

I live ten minutes from the one in California. xD
I haven't looked very much but I'm assuming they always have really sweet deals?
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April 14, 2012 4:42:04 AM

Most the time. It's normally CPU and motherboard deals.
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April 14, 2012 4:48:52 AM

I should check to see if I can get a discount. All of these component exchanges has put me well above what I was wanting. Do you have any advice on how I can reduce the cost of the rig without sacrificing too much?
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April 14, 2012 4:59:29 AM

What I do on newegg is if you scroll down you can make combos and when you make the combos it reduces around 15+ It's actually really nice. I have around 2-3 combos in the build I want

For Example:http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

In this combo I get a FREE game and if it weren't in the combo I'd be paying an extra $30

I'm not sure about this but, I heard at MicroCenter they have deals with the i5-2500k and a P67 mobo. I'm not sure but it's like $50 off or something. You'll have to ask around.
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April 14, 2012 5:04:30 AM

So, you personally get to make combos? For example, could I attach my mobo and cpu in a deal?
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April 14, 2012 5:07:40 AM

It depends Like I wanted the Corsair 500R (Case) and a AX850 (PSU) they didn't have the combo. But they had the Corsair 500R and the HX750... So I have to buy them separately and not get the combo savings.
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April 14, 2012 5:23:53 AM

Okay, well that is very useful information. I'll have to tinker with that. Also, do you think I should go Corsair or Crucial for my SSD?
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April 14, 2012 5:28:04 AM

Being a Corsair Fanboy I'd say go with Corsair but, I think everyone thinks the Crucial M4's are best. So probably Crucial
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April 14, 2012 5:28:31 AM

How many GB's do you want on your SSD?
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April 14, 2012 5:36:04 AM

I was thinking 90gb would be enough to start out with since this is my first rig and I won't be playing a large amount of games. Plus, the NZXT PHantom case has tons of drive bay expansions, so I can just get more later. Would you advise I save the money and get a 64gb, stay at the 90gb, or spend a bit more for a 128gb?
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April 14, 2012 5:48:23 AM

Isnt' the Vertex 4 brand new?
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April 14, 2012 5:49:20 AM

What I'm thinking then is that I'll hold off on the HDD and use a fraction of the $100 I was going to spend to upgrade to a 128gb SSD.
How important are CPU coolers if you aren't overclocking?
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April 14, 2012 5:52:01 AM

You can use stock if your not overclocking. It will come with the processor.
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April 14, 2012 6:04:20 AM

This is the changed build.

Chasis-NZXT Phantom white blue. $130

fans- 2 NZXT FS-200RB-BLED 200mm SILENT Blue LED Fan with ON/OFF Switch $35

Mobo- ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $140

CPU-i5 2500k. $180

Graphics Card- radeon hd 7850 $260

Ram- CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9B $50

PSU-CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX850M 850W ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Semi Modular High Performance Power Supply $140

SDD- Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) $160

CD- LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM $18

All for a generalized total of $1100.
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April 14, 2012 6:05:48 AM

With the exception of the possible i5 3750k.
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April 14, 2012 6:05:50 AM

Looks good!
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April 14, 2012 6:09:29 AM

That looks like a good build to me... Almost the same as mine. The only difference is I have two 570's a AX850 and 16GB Vengeance Ram. You don't need 16GB ram unless you are gonna photoshop etc. Or I will once it comes in FedEx :D :D :D !!
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April 14, 2012 6:11:27 AM

I use UPS to deliver. :p 
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April 14, 2012 6:12:55 AM

To add to the already muddled SSD discussion, I would advise against any of those SSD's.

OCZ has developed a bit of a bad rep as of late, both for reliability and for customer service, so while the vertex 4 may be faster than other ssd's, I consider it a bad risk.

As far as the rest of the SSD's suggested, they all use synchronous NAND as far as I can tell. The type of NAND used affects SSD speed more than any other factor, and toggle NAND is currently the fastest. I would suggest one of those.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-review-benchmar...

the 256gb crucial and 250gb intel are in the same tier as 120gb toggle NAND, sandforce ssd's. that indicates that a toggle nand sandforce based ssd is approximately twice as fast as a synchronous NAND, non sandforce ssd.

To add to that list, the sandisk extreme also uses toggle NAND and a sandforce controller. Any toggle NAND sandforce controller SSD will give you practically the same performance, so it comes down to price and reliability. Intel does not yet make a toggle NAND ssd, so I recommend the sandisk as both the cheapest 120gb, and possibly the most reliable as well (it's only been out for a few months). Sandisk not only makes their own flash memory, but has also been making enterprise level ssd's for almost a decade.
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April 14, 2012 6:13:16 AM

I normally do too, but, I live to far out for UPS to come.
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April 14, 2012 6:14:45 AM

I have to agree, I enjoy UPS more so than FedEx. xD

How does the Corsair Gaming Series 700 Watt High Performance ATX Power Supply compare to the CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX850M 850W ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Semi Modular High Performance Power Supply
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April 14, 2012 6:16:18 AM

The TX850 has more watts, no leds, and is Semi Modular. IMO, I don't really like the gaming series that Corsair makes.
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April 14, 2012 6:17:16 AM

It depends. If you plan on CF, the 850W will leave you with enough power. However, for single, 700W is overkill.
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April 14, 2012 6:18:53 AM

What is the difference between modular and semi modular if you don't mind me asking? Is it worth the $50?
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April 14, 2012 6:19:21 AM

Yeah, I'd personally go with the TX850
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April 14, 2012 6:20:47 AM

Modular means most of the extra cables besides the 8/4-pin supplementary power connector and the 20/24-pin power connector can be removed to increase airflow. Semi means only some of the cables can be removed.
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April 14, 2012 6:20:50 AM

Well, I don't plan on CF or OC any time soon, as I am extremely new and can always upgrade as I learn more. Would you advise the 700 watt or going lower?
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April 14, 2012 6:22:35 AM

Hmm... I'd just go with a 750 to be safe for the future
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April 14, 2012 6:24:01 AM

I am new as well. I ended up getting a 950W PSU because it was on sale. :p 
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April 14, 2012 6:26:44 AM

I am actually quite new also. Hah
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April 14, 2012 6:29:43 AM

Damn, you guys seem to know what you're talking about for being so new.
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April 14, 2012 6:30:18 AM

I am relatively new. Officially started Dec 11, 2011. :p 
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April 14, 2012 6:32:58 AM

Thats around the same time for me too.. I don't know the exact date, but It was near my birthday, November 2nd. I'll check when I started on the forums. Thats when I started to learn some real stuff
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April 14, 2012 6:37:36 AM

How quickly do you warm up to everything? I haven't had a terribly difficult time, but there is a lot to take in.
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April 14, 2012 6:38:36 AM

Took me a couple days of researching and reading forums. You'll start to find out what parts are liked, what parts really suck, what brands are good, etc.
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April 14, 2012 6:40:26 AM

Well, I spend a lot of time on YouTube. Good places to Subscribe to is TheTechSource1, LinusTechTips, NCIX. I was subbed to Motherboardsorg, but, he made me mad so I unsubed :p  lol. That has helped me alot. I also watched a bunch of people build there computers
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