GTX 560 Ti 448 cores VS GTX 570 ???

[ru_disa]

Browsing around, I can see that a GTX 560 Ti 448 cores would cost me 300$. A GTX 570, on the other hand, would cost me around 350. I read on an article that the GTX 560 Ti 448 cores renders the GTX 570 completely redundant and that there's absolutely no reason to buy a 570 over a 560 448 cores.
What's your opinion?
At the end of the day, 50$ doesn't look like much of a difference to me and I'd be willing to wait and put some more money aside if the 570 is really worth it...

Right now I have a GTX 260. I live in Canada, so my reference website is ncix.com
You have any suggestion where I could find better deals, by the way?

Thanks in advance!

 

[argo49]

I would have to agree that the 448 cores makes the gtx 570 somewhat redundant. I've heard that you can overclock a solid 560ti 448 cores to achieve the same performance as a GTX 580.

Numbers-wise the 570 wins, and even the Tom's Hardware Hierarchy chart leaves a one tier separation between the 560ti 448 and the 570

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html

This site probably isn't that useful but I like to use it every once in a while to eyeball the difference between two cards:

http://www.hwcompare.com/11142/geforce-gtx-560-ti-448-vs-geforce-gtx-570/

448 cores is a limited edition too so if you ever want SLI later on it'll probably be much harder to find than a second 570.

newegg.ca currently has a sale on a 448 core with a free game
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130738

 

[17seconds]

If you can afford it, I would go for the 570. I believe in getting the most card you can afford. There are several very nice aftermarket 570 models that come overclocked and/or can overclock well beyond what a 560 448 core can achieve. If you are comparing stock models and want to save money, then the 448 core would be the way to go.

 

[Gordon Freeman]

448 is a misplaced and an over priced waste why because 560ti can overclock beyond the 448 and if you need more power just upgrade to a full GTX 570.

 

[JackNaylorPE]

What's your opinion?
At the end of the day, 50$ doesn't look like much of a difference to me and I'd be willing to wait and put some more money aside if the 570 is really worth it...

The 560-448 is just a partially disabled 570 (1 of 15 sets of cores non functional). So lets compare the 3 of them.

Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite, COD-MW, Bad Company 2, Dirt 2, Far Cry 2, Metro 2033, Dawn of Discovery, Crysis Warhead. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI:

Single Card Configuration:

$215 560 Ti (900Mhz) - 495 fps ($0.43 per frame)
$300 560-448 0- 511 fps ($0.59 per frame)
$340 570 - 524 fps ($0.65 per frame)

Note that dropping from the 570 to the 560-448 costs ya just 13 frames and saves $40 .....but dropping to the 560 Ti drops ya just another 16 frames and saves ya $85. So much so that if ya thinking $350 for the 570 ... Or $370-380 for one of the factory overclocked jobs, it's not much of a jump to two 900 Mhz 560 Ti's at $430.

SLI Card Configuration:

$430 560 Ti (900Mhz) - 862 fps ($0.50 per frame)
$600 560-448 0- 851 fps ($0.71 per frame)*
$680 570 - 873 fps ($0.78 per frame)

*SLI numbers for 560-448 not published, figure arrived at by taking single card fps x 570 published scaling rate.

Two of those 560's will give ya 40% more fps than a 580..... two 570's only give ya 11 fps more than two of these 560 Ti's. Granted the 560's are factory OC'd but they can be OC'd another 20% on top of that whereas the 570's are know for having VRM issues at high overclocks.

http://www.pureoverclock.com/review.php?id=1201&page=17
http://www.overclock.net/t/929152/have-you-killed-a-570-no-recent-deaths-buy-some-570s/550

 

[refillable]

I completely disagree with Gordon Freeman when he says 'It's an overpriced waste'

560 ti 448 offers a good overclocking capabilities to make it even outperform a small overclocked 570 and if you can't get a 570, it's the best one you can get for nVidia. However if you can get a 570, I'd say it's pretty much worth it, it will give better overclocking and better raw power. Also it's going to be available for a long time since it's not a limited edition card.

So at the end of the day, get the most expensive one you can get and make sure everything is OK in your PC that you are going to upgrade of.

 

[ru_disa]

Thanks for the feedback!

 

[Gordon Freeman]

I completely disagree with Gordon Freeman when he says 'It's an overpriced waste'

560 ti 448 offers a good overclocking capabilities to make it even outperform a small overclocked 570 and if you can't get a 570, it's the best one you can get for nVidia. However if you can get a 570, I'd say it's pretty much worth it, it will give better overclocking and better raw power. Also it's going to be available for a long time since it's not a limited edition card.

So at the end of the day, get the most expensive one you can get and make sure everything is OK in your PC that you are going to upgrade of.

560 ti has great OC potential and is a great card on a limited budget whereas 448 is in between but has a price to close to GTX 570 = 448 is a FAIL plus add in the fact they are limited = even more fail. PS it's not get the most expensive card you can get that is just a moronic personal sentiment its more realistically like get the cheapest card you can get away with @ your given resolution while still meeting your own personal standards of what you expect and consider is comfortably playable frame rates and IQ settings.

 

[ru_disa]

Bearing in mind that I'm not interested in SLI configuration: Why is limited edition a bad thing? Does it mean I won't get driver updates in the future or something like that?

 

[Gordon Freeman]

Bearing in mind that I'm not interested in SLI configuration: Why is limited edition a bad thing? Does it mean I won't get driver updates in the future or something like that?

Drivers probably wont be an issue however what is a big issue is if and when something goes wrong and you need to RMA you 448 and there are none left you will most likely end up with a 560ti as a replacement plus if you decide to go SLI in the future you can't.

 

[PCgamer81]

The 560Ti is equivalent to the 6950 1GB, while the 570 is equivalent to the 6970 2GB (in theory).

Here is how the 560Ti 448 stacks up against the 560Ti...

http://www.hwcompare.com/11143/geforce-gtx-560-ti-vs-geforce-gtx-560-ti-448/

I recently built my current rig and did plenty of research, and can tell you that the 570 is the better card.

Not counting the new 7xxx series, I would venture to say that a single 570 is the second best single GPU on the market. It trumps the 6970 for single displays, and beats the 560Ti handedly. Only the 580 beats it.

Going from a 560, however, I wouldn't think it would be worth an upgrade unless it was at least to a 580. I don't think the difference in performance between your 560 and a 570 (let alone a 560Ti) would merit shelling out $300+, at least not unless you can find some sucker to pawn your current GPU off on.

I say either pick up another 560 for SLi, or save your money until you can get yourself a 580/7970.

 

[PCgamer81]

Drivers probably wont be an issue however what is a big issue is if and when something goes wrong and you need to RMA you 448 and there are none left you will most likely end up with a 560ti as a replacement plus if you decide to go SLI in the future you can't.

Not true.

I know for a fact that when you RMA a GPU, if they don't have a replacement then they give you the next GPU up from that. So if you were to RMA a 570 and they didn't have a replacement and couldn't fix it, they would send you a 580 in it's place. Of course, it's at their discretion. But that is generally how they operate. They would never send you a GPU that was a step down from what you sent in. Never.

 

[Gordon Freeman]

Not true.

I know for a fact that when you RMA a GPU, if they don't have a replacement then they give you the next GPU up from that. So if you were to RMA a 570 and they didn't have a replacement and couldn't fix it, they would send you a 580 in it's place. Of course, it's at their discretion. But that is generally how they operate. They would never send you a GPU that was a step down from what you sent in. Never.

RMA policy varies from company to company and there is not set standard in which they must abide by other than there own policies and the fact is Nvdia and AMD and there subsidiaries are money making corps not you friends.

 

[PCgamer81]

RMA policy varies from company to company and there is not set standard in which they must abide by other than there own policies and the fact is Nvdia and AMD and there subsidiaries are money making corps not you friends.

I understand full well that they are companies with a profit motive. But they would not remain companies very long if they did business in the way you suggested.

I also understand that RMA policy varies from company to company, and as I pointed out, remains at the sole discretion of the company. But losing a few dollars on a GPU is nothing to them in the face of building up a positive rapport within the industry and with their customers. I am telling you, they just wouldn't send you a GPU that was a step down. It would be like me sending in a broken Xbox 360 under warranty and Microsoft sending me an original Xbox in it's place. It is not feasible, it is not logical, and it is not possible. They wouldn't it. Companies like Nvidia/AMD didn't get to where they are by being downright foolish.

I am not trying to start an argument, so let me also point out that I see your point. You are right to be skeptical of big corporations. But your suggestion was a tad illogical, no offense.

 

[Gordon Freeman]

I understand full well that they are companies with a profit motive. But they would not remain companies very long if they did business in the way you suggested.

I also understand that RMA policy varies from company to company, and as I pointed out, remains at the sole discretion of the company. But losing a few dollars on a GPU is nothing to them in the face of building up a positive rapport within the industry and with their customers. I am telling you, they just wouldn't send you a GPU that was a step down. It would be like me sending in a broken Xbox 360 under warranty and Microsoft sending me an original Xbox in it's place. It is not feasible, it is not logical, and it is not possible. They wouldn't it. Companies like Nvidia/AMD didn't get to where they are by being downright foolish.

I am not trying to start an argument, so let me also point out that I see your point. You are right to be skeptical of big corporations. But your suggestion was a tad illogical, no offense.

Your rational is a bit naive but I completely agree it is the way it should be but is often not how it is in reality.The Xbox 360 would have been a good rational but the fact is the 560 448 will soon be kinda like the original Xbox in that it will no longer be available. The fact is Nvidia and AMD run a Monopoly in the consumer Graphics arena and they can and will and do think about there own corporate entity first and customer is second but lucky for us there are decent retailers to shop that respect and value and take care of there customers like NCIX up here in Canada.

 

[17seconds]

I don't think the 448 cores is as rare as people would have you believe. They have been out for a couple months and there are plenty of them on Newegg right now, and some pretty good deals with a free Batman game (the Gigabyte model comes with both Batman and Battlefield 3).

If you don't plan to put another in SLI, then I wouldn't worry about the "limited edition" status or the RMA policy. Likely you will either get a GTX 570 or a new 600 series card if you do have to return one. One key to the RMA policy is going to be the fact that the 448 core card comes with 1.25 Gb of memory, just like a GTX 570, and is also based off the 570 PCB design, rather than the 560 Ti design, so it's more similar to the 570 than to the 560 Ti.

What I have read in reviews of the GTX 560 Ti 448 core is that it is a very nice card and makes it hard to justify buying a GTX 570 (if your budget is tight). Here's a look at what an overclocked 448 core does against a stock GTX 570:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/geforce-gtx-560-ti-448-cores_9.html#sect0

All the same, I still recommend the GTX 570 if you can afford one, but the 560 Ti 448 core is a good alternative.

 

[Delirious788]

You do know that new cards are coming soon? For just over $300 you can get something thats supposedly a GTX 580. Just a thought to throw out there...

 

[Gordon Freeman]

You do know that new cards are coming soon? For just over $300 you can get something thats supposedly a GTX 580. Just a thought to throw out there...

Nvidias GTX 6xx power equivalent of GTX 580 wont be that cheap but yes that is just yet another reason why this is just the wrong timing for the 448 and how it was just marketed and priced all wrong 448 should have been available from the same time the GTX 570 hit the market and priced lower and called GTX 565 then it would have been all good.

 

[PCgamer81]

Your rational is a bit naive but I completely agree it is the way it should be but is often not how it is in reality.The Xbox 360 would have been a good rational but the fact is the 560 448 will soon be kinda like the original Xbox in that it will no longer be available. The fact is Nvidia and AMD run a Monopoly in the consumer Graphics arena and they can and will and do think about there own corporate entity first and customer is second but lucky for us there are decent retailers to shop that respect and value and take care of there customers like NCIX up here in Canada.

Well, you are entitled to your own opinion, but I assure you that I am not naive. I do not dispute that companies such as Nvidia and AMD will only ever do what's in their own best interest. What I do dispute, however, is what you would classify as their best interest. Companies such as Nvidia and AMD didn't get to where they are by being flaky; stealing from customers by failing to acknowledge warranties are not, nor have they ever been, in the best monetary interest of a company. It's called corporate ethics, and it's practiced to protect a company from ruin. Not to mention what you suggested would be illegal. A sales receipt with a warranty is legally binding. Unless you void your warranty by acting in violation of the terms, the company is legally bound to make good.

 

[Gordon Freeman]

Well, you are entitled to your own opinion, but I assure you that I am not naive. I do not dispute that companies such as Nvidia and AMD will only ever do what's in their own best interest. What I do dispute, however, is what you would classify as their best interest. Companies such as Nvidia and AMD didn't get to where they are by being flaky; stealing from customers by failing to acknowledge warranties are not, nor have they ever been, in the best monetary interest of a company. It's called corporate ethics, and it's practiced to protect a company from ruin. Not to mention what you suggested would be illegal. A sales receipt with a warranty is legally binding. Unless you void your warranty by acting in violation of the terms, the company is legally bound to make good.

Corporate ethics LOL like the ones that toppled the American Empire those Corporate ethics. A Corporation as big as Nvidia did no get there buy playing nice they get there by being cut throat and if Nvidia was such a fair and compassionate Company the Nvidia GTX 580 would be $350 today and Likewise Radeon would have drooped there pricing being that 7xxx series is out.

 

[PCgamer81]

Corporate ethics don't apply to Nvidia/AMD, seeing as how it was corporate ethics that toppled the American Empire. If a corporation is successful, then it only follows that said corporation became successful by treating customers awful. The fact that Nvidia fails to price the GTX580 (which is their fastest single GPU) at the same price point as inferior GPU's, can only mean one thing... they would rip you off on your warranty. *EDITED FOR CLARITY*

Those are some of the most ridiculous notions that I have ever had the privileged of rebutting. The fact that you are on Tom's Hardware (and giving advice, of all things), is seriously disturbing.

I have no more desire to continue this conversation. In light of your latest comments, it has become abundantly clear that I have wasted my time.

Good day, Sir.

 

[Gordon Freeman]

Those are some of the most ridiculous notions that I have ever had the privileged of rebutting. The fact that you are on Tom's Hardware (and giving advice, of all things), is seriously disturbing.

I have no more desire to continue this conversation. In light of your latest comments, it has become abundantly clear that I have wasted my time.

Good day, Sir.

You sir have no understanding of how the world works and you are scared naturally cause you just do not understand how far down the rabbit hole goes to keep people economically enslaved by way of spending more and more money FIAT money I might add. Socioeconomic's plays a big role in Nvidia and AMD graphics marketing and sales so go get an education before you try and correct someone that has one.

 

[ru_disa]

So, according to Delirious788 I should wait for the new cards to come out and for the price of the old cards to drop... When are the new cards coming out? When are the prices likely to drop? And what card would you recommend?

 

[Gordon Freeman]

So, according to Delirious788 I should wait for the new cards to come out and for the price of the old cards to drop... When are the new cards coming out? When are the prices likely to drop? And what card would you recommend?

By the time the current cards drop tangibly in price they will be slow and old news just get what you can easily afford like in the range of between Radeon 68xx and GeForce GTX 560ti and you will be just fine and happy.

 

[refillable]

You sir have no understanding of how the world works and you are scared naturally cause you just do not understand how far down the rabbit hole goes to keep people economically enslaved by way of spending more and more money FIAT money I might add. Socioeconomic's plays a big role in Nvidia and AMD graphics marketing and sales so go get an education before you try and correct someone that has one.

You sir, are the one who are NOT UNDERSTANDING How The world and Tom's Hardware is not PCgamer81. You are totally disturbing and you are not helping the OP at all with your statements. You better get out and help someone else with monopoly rather on what graphics card they should buy with that kind of statement. Have some argument? Come and argue with me, It has been some time that I argue something with someone. It also I think this is the 3rd time your actions are like this.

But to stay in track, you will probably wait longer than the release of the actual new card to see price dropping. Another alternative is get one 560 ti (only one, save your money) and SLI it if you want to see some performance increase. Skip the new cards in one or two generation, and be happy .