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April 16, 2012 12:45:13 AM

So my mom has finally agreed to let me build a PC instead of buying one.

Approximate Purchase Date: This week hopefully

Budget Range: $400-500

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, surfing the internet, watching movies, etc.

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, Windows 7 OS; I have a used Nvidia GeForce GTX 470 1280mb, so I won't need a new graphics card (so don't add that on please)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: What ever has the best prices and is most reliable....maybe newegg?

Country: Georgia, United States

Parts Preferences: Preferably Intel i5 or better with my GTX 470. If possible a lot of memory. (HDD as well as RAM 8gigs)

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Not needed

Monitor Resolution: 1280x1024 max. (For now at least)

Additional Comments: Just the best gaming PC with a lot of space as possible.

AND please let it be compatible! Thank you!
April 16, 2012 1:16:12 AM

For your budget, a core i5 is pretty much out of the question (or at least out of reach of my creativity). You could downgrade the mobo chipset, but you'lll lose OC ability for the future. Plus, the GPU is going to represent the real bottleneck. Anyway, here is my suggestion. Also, you could go with AMD.

The mobo doesn't sli, but you could downgrade the cpu to a sandy bridge pentium and get a Asrock Extreme3 Gen3 (see below)

Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill R218-P-BK ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($62.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $495.91
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2012-04-15 21:14 EDT-0400)

Pentium G840/G850:

Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G840 2.8GHz Dual-Core Processor ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($129.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill R218-P-BK ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($62.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $505.78
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2012-04-15 21:26 EDT-0400)
April 16, 2012 1:23:29 AM

SLI and Crossfire are basically the same, SLI is nVidia and Crossfire is AMD/ATI
Related resources
April 16, 2012 1:32:17 AM

James McKeane said:
For your budget, a core i5 is pretty much out of the question (or at least out of reach of my creativity). You could downgrade the mobo chipset, but you'lll lose OC ability for the future. Plus, the GPU is going to represent the real bottleneck. Anyway, here is my suggestion. Also, you could go with AMD.

The mobo doesn't sli, but you could downgrade the cpu to a sandy bridge pentium and get a Asrock Extreme3 Gen3 (see below)

Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill R218-P-BK ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($62.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $495.91
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2012-04-15 21:14 EDT-0400)

Pentium G840/G850:

Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Pentium G840 2.8GHz Dual-Core Processor ($84.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($129.86 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill R218-P-BK ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($62.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $505.78
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2012-04-15 21:26 EDT-0400)


he doesnt need 16 gigs of ram, 8 is more than enough.
April 16, 2012 1:36:15 AM

ultra619 said:
he doesnt need 16 gigs of ram, 8 is more than enough.
said he wanted lots o' mem. gave it to him. Even if you downgrade the memory, still can't afford a budget i5 without going $50 over budget.

i told u i lacked creativity (and common sense apparently)
April 16, 2012 1:39:57 AM

I wasn't sure, I saw this build for $529 at Bestbuy:

8gb RAM
Win7
ATI HD 6570 1gb
Intel i5 2nd Gen
1.5TB

Refurbished

But its out of stock now :\
a b 4 Gaming
April 16, 2012 1:42:43 AM

the problem with prebuilt computers is that most of the time, the companies will rip you off on the power supply and give you a bad one which severely limits what you can use in your computer.
April 16, 2012 1:43:22 AM

James McKeane said:
said he wanted lots o' mem. gave it to him. Even if you downgrade the memory, still can't afford a budget i5 without going $50 over budget.

i told u i lacked creativity (and common sense apparently)


I should have stated in the OP, but I'm willing to go up a little bit in the budget if its needed, but only if.
April 16, 2012 1:47:15 AM

Atunzuman said:
I should have stated in the OP, but I'm willing to go up a little bit in the budget if its needed, but only if.
How about a less expensive, less featured SLI z68 mobo and a i5 2300 at $525 after MIR (also note that the total is with the listed vendors/retailers, not just newegg):

Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-2300 2.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($41.95 @ B&H)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill R218-P-BK ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($62.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $522.87
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2012-04-15 21:45 EDT-0400)
April 16, 2012 1:50:56 AM

I don't think I'll be needed a SLI mobo.

Ugghh I'm so stupid, I should have been more specific in the OP.


THANK YOU FOR KEEPING UP WITH MY INCOMPETENCE
April 16, 2012 1:54:56 AM

Atunzuman said:
I don't think I'll be needed a SLI mobo.

Ugghh I'm so stupid, I should have been more specific in the OP.


THANK YOU FOR KEEPING UP WITH MY INCOMPETENCE
With or without sli (the pro3 gen3 with the i3 and the gigabyte mobo with the i5) its still the same price at $525 (i round up...that's right...BAD ASS)
Anonymous
a b 4 Gaming
April 16, 2012 1:57:14 AM

James McKeane said:
How about a less expensive, less featured SLI z68 mobo and a i5 2300 at $525 after MIR (also note that the total is with the listed vendors/retailers, not just newegg):

Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i5-2300 2.8GHz Quad-Core Processor ($174.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ NCIX US)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix sport 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($41.95 @ B&H)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill R218-P-BK ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($62.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $522.87
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2012-04-15 21:45 EDT-0400)


keep the Asrock :) 
ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 $104.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and not to be too picky, for what the OP stated, gaming internet browsing movies. the i3 is fine. i really don't know if the difference between an i3 and i5 is cost efficient; unless its the i5-2500k.
April 16, 2012 2:15:34 AM

Well...I'm guessing the system that James posted is about the best I can get for that price?
April 16, 2012 2:32:08 AM

Atunzuman said:
Well...I'm guessing the system that James posted is about the best I can get for that price?
I cut the RAM down from 16 to 8 (which is all you'll really need), and taking looniam's advice on the i3, i got it down to this:

Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill R218-P-BK ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($62.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $452.91
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2012-04-15 22:30 EDT-0400)
April 16, 2012 2:45:55 AM

So the i5 to i3 won't be a huge difference?
Anonymous
a b 4 Gaming
April 16, 2012 2:49:37 AM

James McKeane said:
I cut the RAM down from 16 to 8 (which is all you'll really need), and taking looniam's advice on the i3, i got it down to this:

Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill R218-P-BK ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($62.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $452.91
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2012-04-15 22:30 EDT-0400)


that looks excellent for $450 :) 
Anonymous
a b 4 Gaming
April 16, 2012 2:51:10 AM

Atunzuman said:
So the i5 to i3 won't be a huge difference?

not for what you spec'd for usage. if you want a little more bang for your buck get a i3-2120 either way it will not come near bottlenecking that gtx 470.

dual cores are long from being dead
April 16, 2012 2:57:32 AM

Anonymous said:
not for what you spec'd for usage. if you want a little more bang for your buck get a i3-2120 either way it will not come near bottlenecking that gtx 470.

dual cores are long from being dead


Which would be gaming (like BF3, crysis, etc), internet usage, watching HD movies.

So I guess this is a good build :D 
Anonymous
a b 4 Gaming
April 16, 2012 3:17:40 AM

james hooked you up.

i don't have BF3 but in crysis2 and BF2BC i get 45-60 fps with my i3 2120 and 550ti @ 1920x1080 everything turned up, 2msaa 2AF. your 470 will blow by that :) 
April 16, 2012 3:37:21 AM

Hahaha thanks guys! Couldn't do it without ya!

(Isn't the 550ti better although? than the 470)
Anonymous
a b 4 Gaming
April 16, 2012 3:41:00 AM

Atunzuman said:
Hahaha thanks guys! Couldn't do it without ya!

(Isn't the 550ti better although? than the 470)


NOPE!


maybe your thinking the 560ti.
April 16, 2012 3:42:52 AM

Thanks, and ALL of this is completely compatible? It would KILL all my mom's interest if it didn't work.

I don't need to get any extra fans for the case?
Anonymous
a b 4 Gaming
April 16, 2012 3:49:03 AM

everything is 100% compatible and low power enough where heat ought not be an issue unless you toss your dirty laundry on it. :lol: 
April 16, 2012 3:54:03 AM

Alright thanks! Now all I have to do is order it as soon as possible.
April 16, 2012 5:01:08 AM

How much more would it costs for 1TB as opposed to 500GB?
April 16, 2012 5:18:20 AM

You don't need a Z68 MOBO if you dont have a "k" CPU. Get a H61.

That case is HORRIBLE, the best case in that price range is the NZXT Source 210 $39.99 @newegg said:
You don't need a Z68 MOBO if you dont have a "k" CPU. Get a H61.

That case is HORRIBLE, the best case in that price range is the NZXT Source 210 $39.99 @newegg

Thoughts?
Thats what my friends opinion was.

Also this PSU that has higher wattage at the same price :
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
April 16, 2012 6:57:37 AM

proc: i5 2500K = $220
mobo: GIGABYTE GA-Z68AP-D3 = $110
psu: Corsair Builder Series CX600 (600W) = $70
ram: Patriot 4GB DDR3 (1333 Mhz) = $24
storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 320Gb = $75
casing: Cooler Master RC-430-KWN1 Elite 430 = $50
optical drive: Sony Optiarc 24x DVDRW Drive = $20(very rare..but good quality n cheap)

get this..this is the best for u..price = $569
if u are using this mobo n processor..it is easier to upgrade ur pc in future...
April 16, 2012 9:02:42 PM

skittertitter said:
proc: i5 2500K = $220
mobo: GIGABYTE GA-Z68AP-D3 = $110
psu: Corsair Builder Series CX600 (600W) = $70
ram: Patriot 4GB DDR3 (1333 Mhz) = $24
storage: Western Digital Caviar Green 320Gb = $75
casing: Cooler Master RC-430-KWN1 Elite 430 = $50
optical drive: Sony Optiarc 24x DVDRW Drive = $20(very rare..but good quality n cheap)

get this..this is the best for u..price = $569
if u are using this mobo n processor..it is easier to upgrade ur pc in future...



LOOK WHAT I FOUND! Jeez check these deals out! Should I just go ahead and snag the i5 one? These look pretty sweet! Or should I go with the builds in this thread.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2313376&CatId=31

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2406873&CatId=31

Yay or no? Btw I still have my GTX 470 as well as Windows 7 already with me.




Which is better with my GTX 470? Should I just get that or still make my own, those look like a pretty damn good prices...
April 16, 2012 9:17:43 PM

Atunzuman said:
LOOK WHAT I FOUND! Jeez check these deals out! Should I just go ahead and snag the i5 one? These look pretty sweet! Or should I go with the builds in this thread.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2313376&CatId=31

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2406873&CatId=31

Yay or no? Btw I still have my GTX 470 as well as Windows 7 already with me.




Which is better with my GTX 470? Should I just get that or still make my own, those look like a pretty damn good prices...
Those psus are a hard NO-GO. bad ratings all around. $30 part that could smoke the other $500
April 16, 2012 9:36:35 PM

Not sure what you mean by the last sentance.

But so this wouldn't be good? Man I was excited, the price was so, so awesome. :\
Anonymous
a b 4 Gaming
April 16, 2012 9:49:34 PM

diablotek=time bomb!

sorry.
Anonymous
a b 4 Gaming
April 16, 2012 10:27:16 PM

good PSUs are a little more than $40

the ultra is defiantly better, however putting more than 450 watts is questionable. don't SLI with it.
April 16, 2012 10:29:48 PM

Anonymous said:
good PSUs are a little more than $40

the ultra is defiantly better, however putting more than 450 watts is questionable. don't SLI with it.


I don't plan on SLI.

So its questionable that it has 550w? lol I thought thats a good thing :o 




So is this the system I should go for? Or the one that James posted up, and if you could also see the stuff that my friend said about that.


Also, just restating that I have my own OS and GTX 470
a b 4 Gaming
April 16, 2012 10:36:06 PM

on the issue on the psu, the 12 rail has 30 amps, which is enough. the only outlying problem is that there is no indicator that it is certified. so you cannot confirm if it will 100% be at least 80% effeciency. because if a part gets underfed, the computer either suffers slow speed and feels slugish, parts mess up, or the whole system shuts down.
Anonymous
a b 4 Gaming
April 16, 2012 10:40:28 PM

dudewitbow said:
on the issue on the psu, the 12 rail has 30 amps, which is enough. the only outlying problem is that there is no indicator that it is certified. so you cannot confirm if it will 100% be at least 80% effeciency. because if a part gets underfed, the computer either suffers slow speed and feels slugish, parts mess up, or the whole system shuts down.

the effiency rating has nothing to do with how much it supplies but how much it draws from the wall

ie. 550 watts @ 80% is (550/0.8) 687.5 watts.

EDIT: the 450 watts is a guesstimate, i had a ultra 750 for 5 years and never had a problem. but i never hit a heavy load on it. keep the load down, less heat less likely a failure.
a b 4 Gaming
April 16, 2012 10:41:53 PM

TIL how the efficientcy rating works. thanks I guess O_o.
April 16, 2012 10:49:42 PM

lol so which one of these 4 should I go with and pair with my Win7 and GTX 470 1gb

Option 1: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Option 2: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Option 3 (8 cores, isn't that really good?????): http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...


Or Jame's Build:

James McKeane said:
I cut the RAM down from 16 to 8 (which is all you'll really need), and taking looniam's advice on the i3, i got it down to this:

Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant / Benchmarks

CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 3.1GHz Dual-Core Processor ($99.99 @ Microcenter)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($104.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($46.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($79.99 @ Amazon)
Case: Rosewill R218-P-BK ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.98 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Antec 520W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($62.98 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($17.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $452.91
(Prices include shipping and discounts when available.)
(Generated 2012-04-15 22:30 EDT-0400)

April 16, 2012 10:56:19 PM

Atunzuman said:
LOOK WHAT I FOUND! Jeez check these deals out! Should I just go ahead and snag the i5 one? These look pretty sweet! Or should I go with the builds in this thread.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2313376&CatId=31

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2406873&CatId=31

Yay or no? Btw I still have my GTX 470 as well as Windows 7 already with me.




Which is better with my GTX 470? Should I just get that or still make my own, those look like a pretty damn good prices...


take the 1 i've suggest..this i5 worth every money...plus when u got money to upgrade ur pc..u just add noctua cooling system and ssd..so it is simple this also can be easily overclocked to 4.5Ghz with air cooling system
Anonymous
a b 4 Gaming
April 16, 2012 10:57:12 PM

please do not get option #2 and #3

as much as i appreciate jame's build i gotta say option #1. even with the ultra
PSU is a good deal.
April 16, 2012 11:22:38 PM

So option one is the way to go!!!!!???

Would like to see James Opinion on it.

Also, I'm guessing the i5 is on par with the AMD 8-core?
April 16, 2012 11:23:45 PM

Will the 550w PSU still work even AFTER I add my GTX 470?

And also, after adding that, and installing Win7 64bit, I have EVERYTHING, a complete build THAT WORKS? Correct?
Anonymous
a b 4 Gaming
April 16, 2012 11:30:17 PM

your 470 @ 180 watts and the rest will draw less than 400 watts. its good.

someone wake up james! :lol: 
April 16, 2012 11:35:01 PM

Hahah nice! I actually cross-reference 3 different threads from different forums. (Although I got most my ideas from here)

And I can finally say that I think this is my build! (Unless someone comes up with something else)
April 17, 2012 12:02:41 AM

Anonymous said:
your 470 @ 180 watts and the rest will draw less than 400 watts. its good.

someone wake up james! :lol: 
Had to eat*. Damn biology. z77, 1TB, 2500k for 530..jesus I might get one (kdding.) the psu seems okay. I say go for it.

*i was also talking someone down from an LGA2011, but thats another...
April 17, 2012 12:05:56 AM

Atunzuman said:
So option one is the way to go!!!!!???

Would like to see James Opinion on it.

Also, I'm guessing the i5 is on par with the AMD 8-core?


Let's not even go there. Just google it (on second thought, don't. my hopes were crushed by AMD. bastards.)
Anonymous
a b 4 Gaming
April 17, 2012 12:07:32 AM

James McKeane said:

*i was also talking someone down from an LGA2011, but thats another...


like talking a jumper down off of a bridge

:lol: 
April 17, 2012 12:12:53 AM

Anonymous said:
like talking a jumper down off of a bridge

:lol: 
I can't pick on him too much. when i first started specing out a build, i got a BAD case of mission creep.

One day you just want play MW3, the next you're seconds away from buying a $300 case and 32gbs of 2133.
April 17, 2012 12:27:21 AM

James McKeane said:
Let's not even go there. Just google it (on second thought, don't. my hopes were crushed by AMD. bastards.)


lol if its that much better with higher wattage, why not just get that?

is diablotek THAT bad???? lol
!