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July 29, 2012 4:27:04 PM

Will that PSU be enough to power an Asus NVIDIA GeForce GTX560 Ti DirectCU II?

My online retailer doesn't offer anymore any of the Corsair models, and I'd rather not get a Thermaltake Powersupply since they seem to have even worse rep than CM's. Besides Corsair, Tt and CM, the only other brand of PSU offered online in my country is Enermax, but the highest priced model I can get my hands on is just at 500w.

Is it true that Silent Pro is of much better quality than the rest of the Cooler Master models? I won't do any overclocking with GPU and CPU.

The rest of my parts will be:

Case: NZXT Phantom
MOBO: Intel DH67BL-B3
CPU: Intel Core i5-2320 @3.0 GHz
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB, Cache 32MB, 7200 RPM, SATA III (6.0 Gb/s)

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July 29, 2012 4:40:03 PM

Yes this already overkill... some good brand around 600W will be good enough.
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July 29, 2012 5:16:03 PM

As I said before I only have access to the Corsair (They have been out of stock for months where I live), Cooler Master, Thermaltake and Enermax (the models available here are below 500w) brands. Thanks anyway for the suggestion.

I currently own a Thermaltake TR2 600w that has been working fine for months alongisde a GTX 550 ti, but the 12v rail only has 32a in v1 and 24a in v2. The Asus card seems to need +38A in the 12v rail, so that's why I was looking for a better PSU.
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July 29, 2012 5:20:35 PM

bambinobomber said:
The Asus card seems to need +38A in the 12v rail, so that's why I was looking for a better PSU.


That assumes a single rail for the PSU and accounts for the WHOLE system, not just the GPU. There is more than 38A available on that TT unit overall, anyway. It's not the best quality unit, but it's still quite a bit overkill for a 560 Ti.

You'll be fine, trust me.
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July 29, 2012 5:21:38 PM

bambinobomber said:
As I said before I only have access to the

I currently own a Thermaltake TR2 600w that has been working fine for months alongisde a GTX 550 ti, but the 12v rail only has 32a in v1 and 24a in v2. The Asus card seems to need +38A in the 12v rail, so that's why I was looking for a better PSU.

that card does not need 38 amps!
if you look at the review i post that would be more wattage needed for your entire system.
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Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 176 Watts

using two 6 pin power connection it cannot go over 225 watts

you can use the PSU you have.

(btw, sorry i didn't understand what brands were available)
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July 29, 2012 5:25:07 PM

I've read a lot of god-awful things about the TR2 models, so I'm just kind of afraid of using it alongisde a higher-end GPU and a brand new CPU. :/ 
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July 29, 2012 5:31:57 PM

ah!
it might make it easier if you can list what corsair or enermax model you can get.
(honestly even a CX430v2 could do it with an 6 pin adapter, i would do it but i won't recommend it to others.)
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July 29, 2012 5:35:18 PM

The TR2 models are the worst ever, the 500W model failed to complete the test @ hardwaresecrets labs, only ToughPower series are the best.

There's nothing wrong about the Silent pro series, it's very good quality compared to GX & Extreme series, reviews state nothing bad about this unit, but yea 700W is overkill but it will be Wattage-Proof if you ever wanted to upgrade to high end cards.
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July 29, 2012 5:35:26 PM

Anonymous said:
ah!
it might make it easier if you can list what corsair or enermax model you can get.
(honestly even a CX430v2 could do it with an 6 pin adapter, i would do it but i won't recommend it to others.)

Why? As stated above nothing wrong about the Silent Pro unit.
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July 29, 2012 5:43:22 PM

ilysaml said:
Why? As stated above nothing wrong about the Silent Pro unit.



it is not wise to buy a PSU with twice the wattage needed. getting too large of a PSU is almost as bad as too small. efficiency takes a nosedive under 20% load and the rig will idle as the PSU sits there getting hot doing nothing.
a 700 watt would be appropriate for a SLI/Xfire configuration and considering the mother has 1 pci x16 slot, no need for that, at all.
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July 29, 2012 6:23:34 PM

Maybe for future upgrades, what's wrong?
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efficiency takes a nosedive under 20% load and the rig will idle as the PSU sits there getting hot doing nothing.

I'm not sure what are you trying to imply.
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July 29, 2012 6:33:43 PM

bambinobomber could just get a lower wattage version of the Silent Pro M series, such as the 600W version.
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July 29, 2012 6:33:43 PM

Silvune said:
bambinobomber could just get a lower wattage version of the Silent Pro M series, such as the 600W version.


There's none in stock at my online retailer
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July 29, 2012 6:33:48 PM

My tr2 600w is way too much for my Dual core E550 and GTX 550 ti and I have never had any problems with it...
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Anonymous
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July 29, 2012 6:55:35 PM

ilysaml said:
Maybe for future upgrades, what's wrong?
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efficiency takes a nosedive under 20% load and the rig will idle as the PSU sits there getting hot doing nothing.

I'm not sure what are you trying to imply.

i am not implying:
Debunking Power Supply Myths

the OPs rig running ~300 watt @ 100% load would only get the "front end" of the efficiency curve with a 700 watt psu (which would be a little further to the right in this image as it is for a 900 watt PSU graph). so even at full load they would not get the best efficiency of the PSU.

though more directly to the low idle usage; as i said efficiency takes a big nosedive under 20% load. as i am sure you are aware the less the efficiency the more heat gets generated by the PSU. getting a 700 PSU would need to have the system idle no less than 140 watts to help it from generating heat and causing the capacitors to age (it is heat and nothing else that affects a capacitor).

so getting a too large of a PSU is not "future proofing" but actually limiting its life expectancy. when a 500 watt PSU; with a rig idling at 100 watts and max load of 380 watts would keep the PSU within a better efficiency curve; above 20% and below 80%.


OP please ignore my "instructonal" post
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July 29, 2012 8:57:59 PM

From the link you posted;
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The first system causes this high-performance power supply (900W PSU used in the test) to only run at 73% to 81% efficiency, depending on input voltage. Obviously, there's absolutely no need for a 900W power supply if you're running this type of computer

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The midrange system looks quite a bit better, allowing the PSU to run at 80% to 88% efficiency

A PSU running with that efficient at this load is still superb, I don't get your point again.
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For the third system, a 900W power supply actually might start to make sense. It's still more than you need, but having a bit of extra room to grow isn't a bad idea. This system idles at over 300W, so it achieves a minimum 86% efficiency with 120VAC. When running a game or other demanding task, the PSU is finally able to reach its potential and provide 89% efficiency with 230VAC (or 87.5% with 120VAC).

A 900W PSU isn't a bad idea for a 500W consuming system.
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Anonymous
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July 29, 2012 9:19:23 PM

ilysaml said:
I don't get your point again.

you trolling, bro?
i am glad you understand the article but perhaps you cannot understand how it relates to the topic at hand:
a 700 watt PSU is appropriate for a system that runs idle @~140 watts and ~560 watts on 100% load.

the OPs rig will not idle nearly @140 watts (20% of 700 watts) nor will not exceed 300 watts (not even 50% of a 700 watt PSU) under load. having a bit of room is not a bad idea but too much room is. which is the point of that part of the article and my posts
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July 29, 2012 9:46:16 PM

Trolling? yea for facts.
I thought that that "80Plus" certification which means at any load the minimum efficiency will be 80% across the board.
Also, the whole article and your assumption might be based on non theoretical facts, only one PSU was tested at different loads.
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Anonymous
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July 29, 2012 10:10:47 PM

ilysaml said:
Trolling? yea for facts.
I thought that that "80Plus" certification which means at any load the minimum efficiency will be 80% across the board.
Also, the whole article and your assumption might be based on non theoretical facts, only one PSU was tested at different loads.

no. the 80+ or any certification only means it was tested at 20% 50% and 100% loads.
On Efficiency
Understanding the 80 Plus Certification
80 PLUS
i have read a lot more than read 1 article. i am not making any assumption but presenting facts.

but as the old saying goes, "you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink."
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July 29, 2012 10:27:38 PM

So your main problem is that the PC won't reach 140W at Idle? And this will cause serious problems?
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July 29, 2012 11:00:27 PM

Are there more articles regarding the issue of "overkil" power supplies? That 2008 one is the only one I've been able to find.
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Anonymous
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July 29, 2012 11:15:19 PM

ilysaml said:
So your main problem is that the PC won't reach 140W at Idle? And this will cause serious problems?

not "my problem" per se but what gets often over looked; what a system idles at.

there is no sense in buying a quality 80+/bronze/silver/gold certified PSU and then having it run at in inefficient manner while idling. the added expense in power is minimal but the heat generated will decrease the lifespan of the PSU. if someone can afford to shell out the money for a $80- $120 850 watt certified 80+ PSU and have it die within the same time period as a $30 600 watt cooler master, well i guess there is no problem.

but when when folks get too large of a PSU for "future proofing" or thinking bigger is better so it will last longer, yes then there is a problem.
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July 29, 2012 11:54:18 PM

bambinobomber said:
Are there more articles regarding the issue of "overkil" power supplies? That 2008 one is the only one I've been able to find.

sorry missed that . .maybe it would give more results looking for PSU myths instead of overkill.
PSU articles
the tuts on hardware secrets about power are rather good.
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July 30, 2012 1:16:18 AM

Would it be safe to use my TR2 600w with the ASUS 560 Ti card while I wait for my online retailer to get a Corsair or Silent Pro M 600w?

I'd actually like a modular PSU and then sell this one to a friend.
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July 30, 2012 2:41:54 AM

What's the link for? And as I know the TR2 RX is an enhanced version of the TR2 and however it performs creepy.

No need to argue and give foolish posts, both series are crappy PSUs and not recommended.
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July 30, 2012 2:45:24 AM

Ok, after searching around, the tr2 series are non-certified while the RX tr2 are certified with 80+, any comment on this?
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July 30, 2012 2:49:33 AM

ilysaml said:
What's the link for? And as I know the TR2 RX is an enhanced version of the TR2 and however it performs creepy.

No need to argue and give foolish posts, both series are crappy PSUs and not recommended.

you really more knowledge of PSUs so you can stop giving bad information. not all the same "models" are made from the same manufacturer and will be different in performance.
http://pro-clockers.com/powersupplies/2277-fsp-aurum-go...
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To be honest we were not surprised to see the quality in which the Aurum Pro Gold from FSP has. When you are the OEM of choice for many other companies and have the longest list of power supplies on the PLUS80 site you must be doing some right.

same series and OEM:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Thermaltake-TR2-...
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We were very impressed by the new Thermaltake TR2 700 W, as in the past the TR2 series used to be a very entry-level power supply series, with low-efficiency units. The TR2 700 W proved to be a flawless unit, with high efficiency between 82.6% and 87.4%, voltages closer to their nominal values all the time (3% regulation), and very low noise and ripple levels.


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July 30, 2012 3:04:10 AM

This is the most funniest thing I ever read, a 80 Bronze PSU fails to complete the test and another 80 Bronze gets to be a flawless unit.

Thermaltake listing 3 different types, Tr2 standard, Tr2 Bronze and Tr2 RX which is supposed to be Bronze too, what if the Op has the Tr-600W? You'd look it up to know it's story?
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July 30, 2012 3:20:26 AM

My PSU didn't come with any "bronze" labels on the box (A white box with "RU" marked on the back). It was part of a bundle that I got last christmas at BestBuy, but as I said before it has yet to fail me with the GTX 550 ti. And the temps on both CPU and GPU are pretty stable (I read somewhere that a bad PSU will cause serious overheating before it fries any parts. Could someone confirm this?)

Most of the complaints I read on sites like Newegg seem to be about PSUs that go bad straight from the box or a couple of months later. I already have about 7 months with this one so I'd like to think that I got lucky, or that it's just enough to power up a low-end dual core and a entry-level GPU.

Is there any way to check if my current PSU's performance is good enough to power the ASUS GTX 560 ti?
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July 30, 2012 3:24:40 AM

bambinobomber said:
(I read somewhere that a bad PSU will cause serious overheating before it fries any parts. Could someone confirm this?)


Not really overheating of any of the components (besides the PSU itself), just general system instability.

Honestly though, I'll stick with what I said originally WAY up the page. It'll be ok until you can get a better quality unit. You're not exactly gonna be pushing it near its limit, even with both the CPU AND GPU at 100% load.

Is it a low quality unit that can't output its rated wattage? Probably, but you'll be ok for a bit anyway.
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July 30, 2012 4:03:40 AM

ilysaml said:
This is the most funniest thing I ever read, a 80 Bronze PSU fails to complete the test and another 80 Bronze gets to be a flawless unit.

Thermaltake listing 3 different types, Tr2 standard, Tr2 Bronze and Tr2 RX which is supposed to be Bronze too, what if the Op has the Tr-600W? You'd look it up to know it's story?

that is exactly why i posted the link to the PSU review database judging a book by its cover, the 80 ratings can be misleading. what really matters is who made the PSU and the database lists that. the TR2 RX are all made by CWT, not a great manufacturer, an HEC a horrible manufacturer. whereas the TR2 are made by those two along with FSP, a quality manufacturer.
the model the OP has is made by FSP and will be a much better quality than any of the others.
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July 30, 2012 5:01:54 AM

Anonymous said:
that is exactly why i posted the link to the PSU review database judging a book by its cover, the 80 ratings can be misleading. what really matters is who made the PSU and the database lists that. the TR2 RX are all made by CWT, not a great manufacturer, an HEC a horrible manufacturer. whereas the TR2 are made by those two along with FSP, a quality manufacturer.
the model the OP has is made by FSP and will be a much better quality than any of the others.


You're wrong about the model of my PSU.

This is the PSU I have: http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1172&ID=18...

Anyway, after talking with some folks of a gaming forum I frequent, I have decided to not upgrade my card since I'm playing fine at max settings the games I'm currently addicted to (And most of the games I play are by Valve. All of them are on the CPU Hungry side as seen in some GPU reviews of this site). I'll just sell the PSU and get a better case with a lower wattage modular PSU once they become available.

Do you think getting a i5 2500 is worth it? The price difference between that and the 2400 (Tom once mentioned it as the best CPU for the money if you're not planning to OC) is marginal where I live and I honestly have no intentions of making the jump to Ivy Bridge.
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July 30, 2012 5:16:38 AM

bambinobomber said:
You're wrong about the model of my PSU.

This is the PSU I have: http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/Product.aspx?S=1172&ID=18...

Anyway, after talking with some folks of a gaming forum I frequent, I have decided to not upgrade my card since I'm playing fine at max settings the games I'm currently addicted to (And most of the games I play are by Valve. All of them are on the CPU Hungry side as seen in some GPU reviews of this site). I'll just sell the PSU and get a better case with a lower wattage modular PSU once they become available.

Do you think getting a i5 2500 is worth it? The price difference between that and the 2400 (Tom once mentioned it as the best CPU for the money if you're not planning to OC) is marginal where I live and I honestly have no intentions of making the jump to Ivy Bridge.

ah, that is the PSU i thought you have. :??:  (oooh! that review i posted of the 700 was an example of the series)

if you really want to upgrade the cpu getting anything less than a i5-2500K w/ a Z68 motherboard to overclock it really won't be worth it. you're talking about just a few hundred Mhz for any non K and won't be that much of a performance difference.
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July 30, 2012 5:33:04 AM

Would I actually see any improvements in games like Starcraft 2 if I upgrade from a low-end Dual Core to a sandy bridge i5? I might end up going with the i5 2320 since the difference between non-k is marginal when it comes to gaming. And the money could go to something better like better quality fans for my case.

Anyway, aren't most tests done to stress the PSUs to their limits? If I stick with my GTX 550 Ti I doubt I'll ever get to the point where the PSU will start failing. As I said before it has been working fine for 7 months already, and sometimes I end up playing for 4 hours straight.

Is a bad PSU actually capable of permanently damaging my CPU and GPU? As far as I've seen, the only time people have gotten their components damaged is when they try to overclock with a poor quality model.
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Anonymous
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July 30, 2012 5:58:14 AM

i am sorry i miss read
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The rest of my parts will be:

Case: NZXT Phantom
MOBO: Intel DH67BL-B3
CPU: Intel Core i5-2320 @3.0 GHz
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1TB, Cache 32MB, 7200 RPM, SATA III (6.0 Gb/s)

as in you had them.
and that is a horse of another color; you will see a big difference in games needing more cpu than usual; like starcraft2, BF3 mulitplayer, WoW . . .
and as i thought i had been referring to; your PSU is fine for what you are looking at doing; adding ~20 - 25 more watts to the system in real word usage.

its not the very best quality but it ain't a flaming brick like a diablotek.
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