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April 16, 2012 6:10:58 PM

Hi, i need a new system for work, and i took blazorthon`s advice, and will try a home build, please let me know what are your opinions! also i must say that it willl be great if i could cut down on costs(but without changing the cpu) so any ideeas where i exagerated?
thanks, Daniel

1.case: Fractal Design Define XL Titanium Grey w/ USB 3.0 ATX Full Tower Silent PC Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6811352018
149.99$

2.cpu cooler: Phanteks PH-TC14PE_BK 140mm UFB (Updraft Floating Balance) CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835709011
99.99$

3.psu: CORSAIR Professional Series Gold AX850 (CMPSU-850AX) 850W ATX12V v2.31 / EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS GOLD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817139015
189.99$

4.mobo: ASUS Rampage IV Extreme LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Extended ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] c17c7e8ab8
429.99$

5.cpu: Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E 3.2GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80619i73930K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819116492
599.99$

6.ram: G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL8Q-16GBZM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 0db0be25c0
149.99$

7.ssd: OCZ Vertex 3 VTX3-25SAT3-120G 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820227706
159.99$

8.graphic card: EVGA 015-P3-1480-KR GeForce GTX 480 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814130759
249.99$

Total: about 2030$

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April 16, 2012 6:17:23 PM

Change the Vertex SSD. They are known for a lot of firmware issues. Get the Mushkin Chronos 120GB for $40 less.

Cut down the MOBO to http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... . It is half the cost.

Ditch the GTX 480 and get a Radeon 7950. It is MUCH better. Why would you get a 2 gen old GPU? It runs super hot.
April 16, 2012 6:20:56 PM

azeem40 said:
Change the Vertex SSD. They are known for a lot of firmware issues. Get the Mushkin Chronos 120GB for $40 less.

Cut down the MOBO to http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... . It is half the cost.

Ditch the GTX 480 and get a Radeon 7950. It is MUCH better. Why would you get a 2 gen old GPU? It runs super hot.


Not only do they run super hot but they're *MAJOR* power hogs. The 4XX and 5XX require monster PSUs - thankfully NVIDIA got wise to that with Keppler and made them more energy efficient.

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Hi, i need a new system for work, and i took blazorthon`s advice, and will try a home build, please let me know what are your opinions! also i must say that it willl be great if i could cut down on costs(but without changing the cpu) so any ideeas where i exagerated?


That depends on what applications you're going to be using and whether or not you'll need multiple displays because I can post entirely different builds.
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April 16, 2012 6:27:37 PM

thanks g-unit1111,

well the system will used for 3D modelling and rendering, for programs like Archicad and Artlantis(the programs support max of 8 core processor), graphic card isnt that important becouse they rely on cpu(computing power) and not gpu; on my current workstation i have nvidia quadro 5000 wich is not being used at all; and i will be using only one monitor
April 16, 2012 6:30:33 PM

Why isn't it being used?
April 16, 2012 6:47:33 PM

hi azeem40, it is being used, but very little(in terms of performance), i think its due to the software i metioned; the graphic card doesnt help when rendering, it works at about 15...20% in OpenGL; thats it

here is a quote from artlantis official : "the graphic card plays a role in displaying the scene in the preview and 2D window, but it doesn't play any role during the rendering process.
Artlantis 4 being of 64-bit requests (as all 62-bit applications in general) minimum 4 GB RAM, so the more you have the better is. The processor is very important in the final calculation, the same are the number of cores: Artlantis can deal with 8 cores maximum."

other quote:
"Is it normal that rendering is only made by the CPU?
My FGX card works on rendering at 0% !?

If its normal... why dont render with gfx card? it would be way faster!

hope for an answer..

reply:yes, it is normal. This is the way Artlantis calculates the renderings."
April 16, 2012 6:55:02 PM

other quotes regarding the software:
"Take a faster CPU. My practice shows that fewer cores with faster clock (lets say dual core 3.6 ghz) renders a lot faster than a multicore (quad - 2.8 , or even 3.2). A program specialist i talked to explained me that most rendering softwares use one primary processor, and the rest of the cores are either idle, or used at a lower rate. This means that its generally better to have a very fast processor, rather than a few weaker ones."

azeem40, what you are suggesting, is this: SAPPHIRE 11196-00-40G Radeon HD 7950 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
April 16, 2012 7:08:11 PM

Since you already have the GPU - and I'd heavily advise reusing it, try this build:

Try this:

Case: Rosewill Thor - $139.99
PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer MKII 950W - $149.99
Motherboard: Asus Rampage IV Extreme - $429.99
CPU: 3.2Ghz Intel Core i7-3930K - $599.99
Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 Socket LGA 2011 Edition - $94.99
RAM: 16GB (4 x 4GB) G.Skill Ares 1333MHz 1.5V - $139.99
SSD: 128GB Crucial M4 - $159.99
HD: 2TB Samsung Ecogreen F4 - $129.99
Optical: Lite On DVD Burner - $17.99

Total: $1,857.91

Now before people tear apart this build - I chose the Thor because it's one of the few cases on the market that can accommodate for the largest motherboards like the Rampage IV, heat sinks like the D14, and video cards like the Quaddro 5000 without issue. The Rampage IV was chosen because of its' ability to handle large amounts of RAM and has tons of SATA ports for drive expansion. The PC Power & Cooling Silencer will be more than enough to handle anything you throw at it.
April 16, 2012 7:08:31 PM

If you're gonna invest so much into a CPU cooler, get Noctua NH-D14.
Check table for performance comparison: http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/cases_cooling/phante...

About SSD, go for Samsung 830 or Intel 520. Vertex 4 is an amazing performer and is built on Marvell controller so the issues that are usually attributed to earlier OCZ products based on Sandforce controller, don't apply here, but the drive is relatively new and nobody can talk about reliability for certain (they also need to fix low-Q sequential read speeds with new firmware). I'd say Samsung 830 is your best bet at the moment since Sandforce based drives drop performance while dealing with incompressible data.

You should avoid GTX480 like a plague, it's a monstrous power hog, has overheating issues and is 2 generations behind in the first place. Get GTX6xx/Radeon 7xxx series card instead.

Motherboard is best on the market, but personally, I don't think it's worth the money. There are way cheaper alternatives if you won't go quad-SLI/quadfire which can overclock just as well as Rampage. Pick something from $250-300 price range, depending what features you need.
April 16, 2012 7:19:23 PM

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About SSD, go for Samsung 830 or Intel 520. Vertex 4 is an amazing performer and is built on Marvell controller so the issues that are usually attributed to earlier OCZ products based on Sandforce controller, don't apply here, but the drive is relatively new and nobody can talk about reliability for certain (they also need to fix low-Q sequential read speeds with new firmware). I'd say Samsung 830 is your best bet at the moment since Sandforce based drives drop performance while dealing with incompressible data.


I thought the Vertex 4 used an entirely new controller that wasn't Sandforce or Marvell, no?

The Samsung drive is a good choice but Intel does use Sandforce, at least my older 320 does and I've seen all the issues that apply to other Sandforce drives with my drive.

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You should avoid GTX480 like a plague, it's a monstrous power hog, has overheating issues and is 2 generations behind in the first place. Get GTX6xx/Radeon 7xxx series card instead.


OP has a Quaddro 5000 - and I'd suggest reusing that before getting one of those GPUs.

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Motherboard is best on the market, but personally, I don't think it's worth the money. There are way cheaper alternatives if you won't go quad-SLI/quadfire which can overclock just as well as Rampage. Pick something from $250-300 price range, depending what features you need.


The only thing lesser would be like the Sabertooth X79 - sure you're not gonna use all the features the Rampage IV has but this isn't a gaming rig and the OP needs lots of RAM to power the applications being used which is why I seconded the recommendation.
April 16, 2012 7:19:24 PM

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Carbide-Series-Gaming-CC-... $116.16 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Corsair Carbide Series 500R Mid Tower Gaming Case CC-9011012-WW

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $249.99
ASRock X79 Extreme6 LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $239.99
G.SKILL Ares Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C10Q-32GAO

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $154.99
XFX PRO850W XXX Edition Semi-Modular 80 Plus Silver Certified 850 Watt Active PFC Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $124.99 FREE SHIPPING
Mushkin Enhanced Chronos MKNSSDCR120GB 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

http://www.amazon.com/XFX-PRO1050W-Compatible-Certified... $215.78 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
XFX PRO1050W Black Edition Full Modular 80PLUS Gold PSU Compatible with Intel Core i3, i5, i7 and AMD Phenom, FX ATX 1050 Energy Star Certified Power Supply P11050BEFX

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $389.99 FREE SHIPPING
MSI N580GTX Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card


http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=X79%20Extre... <---- better look at that board

http://www.corsair.com/pc-cases/carbide-series-pc-case/... <---- a better look at that case
April 16, 2012 8:32:28 PM

1.case: Corsair Carbide Series 500R Black Steel structure with molded ABS plastic accent pieces ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$129.99

2.psu: PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II 950W High Performance 80PLUS Silver SLI CrossFire ready Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$149.99

3.mobo: ASRock X79 Extreme6 LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$249.99

4.cpu: Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E 3.2GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80619i73930K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819116492
599.99$

5.cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 140mm and 120mm SSO CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$89.99

6.SSD: SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128B/WW 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$159.99

7.ram: Kit Dual Channel Corsair 16GB (4 x 4GB), DDR3, 1600MHz, Radiator
$139.99

total: 1520$
April 16, 2012 10:04:16 PM

Archi_B said:
1.case: Corsair Carbide Series 500R Black Steel structure with molded ABS plastic accent pieces ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$129.99

2.psu: PC Power and Cooling Silencer Mk II 950W High Performance 80PLUS Silver SLI CrossFire ready Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$149.99

3.mobo: ASRock X79 Extreme6 LGA 2011 Intel X79 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$249.99

4.cpu: Intel Core i7-3930K Sandy Bridge-E 3.2GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) LGA 2011 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80619i73930K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819116492
599.99$

5.cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 140mm and 120mm SSO CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$89.99

6.SSD: SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128B/WW 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$159.99

7.ram: Kit Dual Channel Corsair 16GB (4 x 4GB), DDR3, 1600MHz, Radiator
$139.99

total: 1520$


That looks good but you'll need a quad channel kit instead of a dual, and watch the tall heat sinks with Corsair RAM. Try this instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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