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Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:48 AM

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I have started the process to call for an official vote for
rec.photo.equipment.sigma. The vote will probably start sometime next
week. I have received an overwhelming amount of email support for this
proposal, so there is a *very* *good* chance of this group passing.
The CFV will be posted here. Thanks.

Sarah Molly



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Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:49 AM

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Sarah Molly wrote:
> I have started the process to call for an official vote for
> rec.photo.equipment.sigma. The vote will probably start sometime next
> week. I have received an overwhelming amount of email support for
> this proposal, so there is a *very* *good* chance of this group
> passing. The CFV will be posted here. Thanks.
>
> Sarah Molly

Why should a manufacturer specific branch be introduced into the r.p.e
hierarchy? If you are going to do that, shouldn't you be including other
manufacturers as well?
Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:49 AM

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Sarah Molly wrote:

> I have started the process to call for an official vote for
> rec.photo.equipment.sigma. The vote will probably start sometime next
> week. I have received an overwhelming amount of email support for this
> proposal, so there is a *very* *good* chance of this group passing.
> The CFV will be posted here. Thanks.

I abstain from votes for which I have no interest, but this one I will
support hard to provide a haven for Sigma fans. <g>


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Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:49 AM

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In rec.photo.digital Sarah Molly <gy5u-mgxh@dea.spamcon.org> wrote:
> I have started the process to call for an official vote for
> rec.photo.equipment.sigma. The vote will probably start sometime next
> week. I have received an overwhelming amount of email support for this

From whom? Your other sockpuppets?

Dicktard.

> proposal, so there is a *very* *good* chance of this group passing.

Very much doubt it.

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June 22, 2005 3:27:49 AM

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> Sarah Molly

Hello Preddy.....
Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:49 AM

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This is a great idea, since it will keep imbeciles like Preddy and his
sockpuppets (you) out of this NG. I'm all for it if you promise to go there
and never come here again.

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>I have started the process to call for an official vote for
> rec.photo.equipment.sigma. The vote will probably start sometime next
> week. I have received an overwhelming amount of email support for this
> proposal, so there is a *very* *good* chance of this group passing.
> The CFV will be posted here. Thanks.
>
> Sarah Molly
>
>
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June 22, 2005 3:27:49 AM

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"Sarah Molly" <gy5u-mgxh@dea.spamcon.org> wrote
>I have started the process to call for an official vote for
> rec.photo.equipment.sigma. The vote will probably start sometime next
> week. I have received an overwhelming amount of email support for this
> proposal, so there is a *very* *good* chance of this group passing.
> The CFV will be posted here. Thanks.
>
> Sarah Molly

George, the medication is wearing off. Please take your pills. Now!

Carrigman
Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:50 AM

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In article <d99c1s$1nd$2@inews.gazeta.pl>,
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreeLunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>Sarah Molly wrote:
>
>> I have started the process to call for an official vote for
>> rec.photo.equipment.sigma. The vote will probably start sometime next
>> week. I have received an overwhelming amount of email support for this
>> proposal, so there is a *very* *good* chance of this group passing.
>> The CFV will be posted here. Thanks.
>
>I abstain from votes for which I have no interest, but this one I will
>support hard to provide a haven for Sigma fans. <g>

You seem to believe that he won't cross-post like mad from that
newsgroup if it passes.

I have no such belief, and will vote accordingly. (Though I
guess that I could simply set up my filtering to reject anything
cross-posted to that newsgroup. :-)

Enjoy,
DoN.

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Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:51 AM

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DoN. Nichols wrote:

> Though I
> guess that I could simply set up my filtering to reject anything
> cross-posted to that newsgroup. :-)

In a nutshel, that's the whole thing.

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Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:52 AM

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In article <d99k3q$8e2$1@inews.gazeta.pl>,
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreeLunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>DoN. Nichols wrote:
>
>> Though I
>> guess that I could simply set up my filtering to reject anything
>> cross-posted to that newsgroup. :-)
>
>In a nutshel, that's the whole thing.

But given the reactions posted only in news.groups, I think that
it is highly unlikely that it would pass -- even if every active poster
and lurker on this newsgroup posted in favor.

And what about when he pops up (in whichever incarnation or
cluster of them) and posts here *anyway*? We can't ammend the charter
to make Sigma off topic, so what do we do?

Enjoy,
DoN.

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Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:53 AM

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DoN. Nichols wrote:

> cluster of them) and posts here *anyway*? We can't ammend the charter
> to make Sigma off topic, so what do we do?

ah hell, you're making me reply seriously:

There is no need for a .sigma group. If there were genuine Sigma
posters they would be no less welcome, and they would likely be good
contributors to the NG's (rpd and rpd.slr-s.)

Instead, those potential legitimate Sigma posters are drowned out by the
stupidity of Preddy in all his sock puppeted incarnations; and the
derision he receives.

Cheers,
Alan

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Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:54 AM

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I've left this linked to the original thread, as I believe that it
should be.

I just got an invite to join gmail, from
"george.preddy@gmail.com". I wonder how many others in this thread have
gotten the same.

Can we have a show of hands? Is he "inviting" everyone who
disagrees with him?

Setting aside for the moment the consideration of whether or not
I would *want* a gmail account, what are the odds that I would accept an
invitation from this source? After all, there is guilt by association.

And I really don't see what a gmail account would do for me that
I can't do with my own mail server (and lots of things which I could
*not* do with gmail.)

Enjoy,
DoN.
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Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:54 AM

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In article <d99nrj$rgs$1@inews.gazeta.pl>,
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreeLunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>DoN. Nichols wrote:
>
>> cluster of them) and posts here *anyway*? We can't amend the charter
>> to make Sigma off topic, so what do we do?
>
>ah hell, you're making me reply seriously:
>
>There is no need for a .sigma group. If there were genuine Sigma
>posters they would be no less welcome, and they would likely be good
>contributors to the NG's (rpd and rpd.slr-s.)

Agreed.

>Instead, those potential legitimate Sigma posters are drowned out by the
>stupidity of Preddy in all his sock puppeted incarnations; and the
>derision he receives.

Unfortunately. And this means that the camera cannot get
whatever serious consideration it may deserve. (I've never seen one, so
I can't judge it -- except by the company which it appears to keep. :-)

For that matter -- if the CFV *passed*, what are the odds that
the camera would get a fair discussion, even there, given the
proponents. (At least until they got tired of playing in their own
newsgroup.)

Enjoy,
DoN.

P.S. I'm going to modify the subject line to ask a related question,
but I'll leave it linked to the current thread, as I think that
it belongs here.
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Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:54 AM

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"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@FreeLunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
news:D 99nrj$rgs$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
> DoN. Nichols wrote:
>
>> cluster of them) and posts here *anyway*? We can't ammend the charter
>> to make Sigma off topic, so what do we do?
>
> ah hell, you're making me reply seriously:
>
> There is no need for a .sigma group. If there were genuine Sigma posters
> they would be no less welcome, and they would likely be good contributors
> to the NG's (rpd and rpd.slr-s.)
>
> Instead, those potential legitimate Sigma posters are drowned out by the
> stupidity of Preddy in all his sock puppeted incarnations; and the
> derision he receives.

If only this were true. We "genuine" posters are not drowned out by Preddy
but rather by the likes of others. Guilty by association seem sto be the
rule. If that's the case then all Canon owners must be rude and insipid
like Ainsworth or full of misinformation like Scharf, right?
Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:54 AM

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Alan Browne wrote:
> DoN. Nichols wrote:
>
>> cluster of them) and posts here *anyway*? We can't ammend the charter
>> to make Sigma off topic, so what do we do?
>
>
> ah hell, you're making me reply seriously:
>
> There is no need for a .sigma group. If there were genuine Sigma
> posters they would be no less welcome, and they would likely be good
> contributors to the NG's (rpd and rpd.slr-s.)
>
> Instead, those potential legitimate Sigma posters are drowned out by the
> stupidity of Preddy in all his sock puppeted incarnations; and the
> derision he receives.
>
Let's call a "Preddy" a Steve Giovanella, as he has a commercial
photography business, and at some point will not want his shenanigans
associated therewith. At least, some time ago a convincing case was made
here, and there's never been a post attributable to Giovanella that
refutes a word of it. And, for the record, if I am wrong an this is a
horrible mistake, I'll be quick to apologize.

As to Sigma posters who are for real, they may be as much pushed away by
the numb rumblings of those who automatically deride any post with that
brand name mentioned, as Giovanella, his socks and his imitators
combined have done.

--
John McWilliams
Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:55 AM

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"DoN. Nichols" <dnichols@d-and-d.com> wrote in message
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> I've left this linked to the original thread, as I believe that it
> should be.
>
> I just got an invite to join gmail, from
> "george.preddy@gmail.com". I wonder how many others in this thread have
> gotten the same.
>
> Can we have a show of hands?

Not I.

> Is he "inviting" everyone who
> disagrees with him?
>

I guess I don't take his bait often enough.

> Setting aside for the moment the consideration of whether or not
> I would *want* a gmail account, what are the odds that I would accept an
> invitation from this source? After all, there is guilt by association.
>
> And I really don't see what a gmail account would do for me that
> I can't do with my own mail server (and lots of things which I could
> *not* do with gmail.)
>

It's great for my tech mailing lists. Well over 2 GB of storage right now
and growing every day, I'm only at 62MB of 2318MB but I can archive a
helluva lot of messages. OTOH I would never use it for personal email.

Greg
Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:55 AM

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In rec.photo.digital Peter A. Stavrakoglou <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> If only this were true. We "genuine" posters are not drowned out by Preddy

Apropos of this, anyone else getting Gmail invites off "Preddy"?

pete
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Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:55 AM

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In article <d99ue5$gde$1@Fuego.d-and-d.com>, DoN. Nichols
<dnichols@d-and-d.com> wrote:

> I just got an invite to join gmail, from
> "george.preddy@gmail.com". I wonder how many others in this thread have
> gotten the same.
>
> Can we have a show of hands? Is he "inviting" everyone who
> disagrees with him?

I got one. Clicked on the garbage can and away it went along with the
discount mortgage and cheap Viagra ads.
Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:55 AM

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In article <hu%te.10$UG3.5@fe11.lga>, Peter A. Stavrakoglou
<ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote:

> If only this were true. We "genuine" posters are not drowned out by Preddy
> but rather by the likes of others. Guilty by association seem sto be the
> rule. If that's the case then all Canon owners must be rude and insipid
> like Ainsworth or full of misinformation like Scharf, right?

It's my fault now? It's not me that produces an expensive 3.42MP kiddie
toy. And although I have a Canon 10D, I'm still a Hasselblad guy at
heart.
Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:55 AM

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DoN. Nichols wrote:

> Can we have a show of hands? Is he "inviting" everyone who
> disagrees with him?

not me.

> Setting aside for the moment the consideration of whether or not
> I would *want* a gmail account, what are the odds that I would accept an
> invitation from this source? After all, there is guilt by association.

There is no 'memory' attached to the gmail account you get. Once you
delete any e-mails in the gmail account related to how you got invited,
there is no trace of it that anyone outside google mail (and possibly
not there) that would connect you to Preddy. If it might make you feel
better, I'll send you a fresh 'untainted' invite...

> And I really don't see what a gmail account would do for me that
> I can't do with my own mail server (and lots of things which I could
> *not* do with gmail.)

A lot of people have 'alternate' accounts at yahoo, hotmail and gmail, I
certainly do, and I've been using the gmail invite mechanism to send out
invites to a lot of people, a few of whom are here in the photo NG's.

Such accounts have bailed me out a few times on the road when I couldn't
get my laptop to dial in to a network ... pop down to the hotel lobby,
or into a customers computer and via hotmail/yahoo/gmail access e-mail.

It seems the longer I'm with gmail, the more "invite opportunities" I
get to send out to whomever.

Cheers,
Alan

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Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:55 AM

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Peter A. Stavrakoglou wrote:

> If only this were true. We "genuine" posters are not drowned out by Preddy
> but rather by the likes of others. Guilty by association seem sto be the
> rule. If that's the case then all Canon owners must be rude and insipid
> like Ainsworth or full of misinformation like Scharf, right?

No. Preddy is a pebble who hit sthe same place in the pond, the same
way, over and over gnerating waves and having mirror (sockpuppets) reply.

Others are a random selection of manner. And in that you get a spectrum
of response...

Cheers,
Alan


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Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:56 AM

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In article <p41a9d.ges.ln@fenelon.com>, Pete Fenelon <pete@fenelon.com> wrote:
>In rec.photo.digital Peter A. Stavrakoglou <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> If only this were true. We "genuine" posters are not drowned out by Preddy
>
>Apropos of this, anyone else getting Gmail invites off "Preddy"?

Yep -- as I posted in another branch of this thread, renamed to
reflect the Gmail angle.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:56 AM

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"Randall Ainsworth" <rag@nospam.techline.com> wrote in message
news:210620051818488672%rag@nospam.techline.com...
> In article <d99ue5$gde$1@Fuego.d-and-d.com>, DoN. Nichols
> <dnichols@d-and-d.com> wrote:
>
> > I just got an invite to join gmail, from
> > "george.preddy@gmail.com". I wonder how many others in this thread have
> > gotten the same.
> >
> > Can we have a show of hands? Is he "inviting" everyone who
> > disagrees with him?
>
> I got one. Clicked on the garbage can and away it went along with the
> discount mortgage and cheap Viagra ads.

Ha, I just got one, too. Why am I not excited?

Greg
Anonymous
June 22, 2005 3:27:56 AM

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In article <d9a19f$f0d$1@inews.gazeta.pl>,
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreeLunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>DoN. Nichols wrote:
>
>> Can we have a show of hands? Is he "inviting" everyone who
>> disagrees with him?
>
>not me.
>
>> Setting aside for the moment the consideration of whether or not
>> I would *want* a gmail account, what are the odds that I would accept an
>> invitation from this source? After all, there is guilt by association.
>
>There is no 'memory' attached to the gmail account you get. Once you
>delete any e-mails in the gmail account related to how you got invited,
>there is no trace of it that anyone outside google mail (and possibly
>not there) that would connect you to Preddy. If it might make you feel
>better, I'll send you a fresh 'untainted' invite...

Thanks, but I probably would not subscribe anyway. Not that I
would consider your invite "tainted". :-) But mostly, I am accustomed to
being able to block unwanted e-mail, and he has been added to the
blocklist.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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Anonymous
June 22, 2005 11:59:45 AM

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Pete Fenelon wrote:

> In rec.photo.digital Peter A. Stavrakoglou <ntotrr@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>If only this were true. We "genuine" posters are not drowned out by Preddy
>
>
> Apropos of this, anyone else getting Gmail invites off "Preddy"?

Yeah I just got one. But I already have a gmail address.

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Anonymous
June 22, 2005 12:08:23 PM

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DoN. Nichols wrote:

> Thanks, but I probably would not subscribe anyway. Not that I
> would consider your invite "tainted". :-) But mostly, I am accustomed to
> being able to block unwanted e-mail, and he has been added to the
> blocklist.

gmail has a pretty good filter.


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June 22, 2005 12:13:12 PM

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> Can we have a show of hands? Is he "inviting" everyone who
> disagrees with him?

Yup, I got one too!
Anonymous
June 22, 2005 8:59:23 PM

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In article <d9bkbm$p8o$2@inews.gazeta.pl>,
Alan Browne <alan.browne@FreeLunchVideotron.ca> wrote:
>DoN. Nichols wrote:
>
>> Thanks, but I probably would not subscribe anyway. Not that I
>> would consider your invite "tainted". :-) But mostly, I am accustomed to
>> being able to block unwanted e-mail, and he has been added to the
>> blocklist.
>
>gmail has a pretty good filter.

Maybe so -- but I use *three* layers of filtering:

1) IP blocking. (Including large blocks of known spammers and of
countries from which I never expect to get a *valid* e-mail.

2) "From: " address.

3) Bayesian filtering -- which has several years worth of database by
now.

And -- they are all under *my* control.

Enjoy,
DoN.
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Anonymous
June 22, 2005 9:03:35 PM

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I got one, too, which got the consideration it deserved. (Block Sender)

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"Alan" <alz_deane@ntlworld.nospam.com> wrote in message
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>> Can we have a show of hands? Is he "inviting" everyone who
>> disagrees with him?
>
> Yup, I got one too!
>
>
Anonymous
June 22, 2005 9:50:57 PM

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"Alan Browne" <alan.browne@FreeLunchVideotron.ca> wrote in message
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> Sarah Molly wrote:
>
>> I have started the process to call for an official vote for
>> rec.photo.equipment.sigma. The vote will probably start sometime next
>> week. I have received an overwhelming amount of email support for this
>> proposal, so there is a *very* *good* chance of this group passing.
>> The CFV will be posted here. Thanks.
>
> I abstain from votes for which I have no interest, but this one I will
> support hard to provide a haven for Sigma fans. <g>
>
>
One of the reasons George Preddy posts have been thin on the ground lately
is no doubt his time has been taken up with creating hundreds of sock puppet
accounts in readyness for the vote.

There is a good chance the voting will overtake all the sock puppet voting
that went on for the other rec. digital-something groups recently created.

Douglas
Anonymous
June 22, 2005 9:50:58 PM

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Alan Browne wrote:
> Ryadia@home wrote:
>
>> One of the reasons George Preddy posts have been thin on the ground
>> lately is no doubt his time has been taken up with creating hundreds
>> of sock puppet accounts in readyness for the vote.
>
> This is unfortunately likely. But if he does manage to create a .sigma
> group and nobody attends then it's all moot.
>
I've come 'round to seeing this as pretty amusing. Whatever motivates
this person is pretty strong, and very silent. He cannot bring himself
to post even anonymously why he's so very annoyed with x, y or z that
he'd spend enormous amounts of time with the various schema, most of
which appear to be futile.

Even if a NG is created in the big eight hierearchy, it'll die for lack
of interest, and eventually be culled like other dead groups.

However, I plan to vote NO, only once.

--
John McWilliams
Anonymous
June 22, 2005 9:50:58 PM

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Ryadia@home wrote:

> One of the reasons George Preddy posts have been thin on the ground lately
> is no doubt his time has been taken up with creating hundreds of sock puppet
> accounts in readyness for the vote.

This is unfortunately likely. But if he does manage to create a .sigma
group and nobody attends then it's all moot.

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Anonymous
June 23, 2005 8:16:03 AM

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If there is any chance that by being busy elsewhere GP (Yikes! Same initials
as me...but I am nobody's sock puppet!) will be too busy to post here than I
am all in favor is him and other foveon users having their own group....but
I don't care enough to bother voting either way.

"John McWilliams" <jpmcw@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:r5mdnVuweJW3diTfRVn-pw@comcast.com...
> Alan Browne wrote:
> > Ryadia@home wrote:
> >
> >> One of the reasons George Preddy posts have been thin on the ground
> >> lately is no doubt his time has been taken up with creating hundreds
> >> of sock puppet accounts in readyness for the vote.
> >
> > This is unfortunately likely. But if he does manage to create a .sigma
> > group and nobody attends then it's all moot.
> >
> I've come 'round to seeing this as pretty amusing. Whatever motivates
> this person is pretty strong, and very silent. He cannot bring himself
> to post even anonymously why he's so very annoyed with x, y or z that
> he'd spend enormous amounts of time with the various schema, most of
> which appear to be futile.
>
> Even if a NG is created in the big eight hierearchy, it'll die for lack
> of interest, and eventually be culled like other dead groups.
>
> However, I plan to vote NO, only once.
>
> --
> John McWilliams
Anonymous
June 23, 2005 8:16:04 AM

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Gene Palmiter wrote:
> If there is any chance that by being busy elsewhere GP (Yikes! Same initials
> as me...but I am nobody's sock puppet!) will be too busy to post here than I
> am all in favor is him and other foveon users having their own group....but
> I don't care enough to bother voting either way.
>
No, there's no chance of that. But it might be amusing to vote.

--
John McWilliams
Anonymous
June 23, 2005 5:38:47 PM

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Skip M wrote:
> I got one, too, which got the consideration it deserved. (Block Sender)
>
It is no coincidence you have an invite.
He set up Gmail accounts in all your names (mine too) and is inviting
you to join Gmail in a slightly altered name similar to your own but
your own name is already registered in one of his sock puppet names.

I think it's time to make complaints to google although I doubt what he
is doing is actually illegal.

Douglas (Ryadia)
Anonymous
June 23, 2005 6:27:10 PM

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In article <7Ique.5183$2s.2767@trndny02>,
Gene Palmiter <palmiter_gene@verizon.net> wrote:
>If there is any chance that by being busy elsewhere GP (Yikes! Same initials
>as me...but I am nobody's sock puppet!) will be too busy to post here than I
>am all in favor is him and other foveon users having their own group....but
>I don't care enough to bother voting either way.

Apparently, you *may* vote anyway -- if you, too, have received
a gmail invite from him. It just may not be the way you would have
intended to vote.

And given the furor in news.groups, I think that *every* vote
will be *very* carefully scrutinized.

So -- you might as well vote on your own hook, just so there
will be one more bit of evidence about what is being done in the way of
vote fraud.

Enjoy,
DoN.
--
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(too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
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Anonymous
June 24, 2005 12:44:45 AM

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Randall Ainsworth wrote:
>And although I have a Canon 10D, I'm still a Hasselblad guy at heart.

Unbelievable... I'd have pegged you for a Leica kinda guy!

Douglas
Anonymous
June 24, 2005 12:44:46 AM

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In article <42ba929d$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Ryadia <just@the.group>
wrote:

> Unbelievable... I'd have pegged you for a Leica kinda guy!

I've used 'em through the years but never been fortunate enough to own
one. I just could never get into the 35mm thing.
Anonymous
June 24, 2005 12:56:31 AM

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Alan Browne wrote:
> Sarah Molly wrote:
>
>> I have started the process to call for an official vote for
>> rec.photo.equipment.sigma. The vote will probably start sometime next
>> week. I have received an overwhelming amount of email support for this
>> proposal, so there is a *very* *good* chance of this group passing.
>> The CFV will be posted here. Thanks.
>
>
> I abstain from votes for which I have no interest, but this one I will
> support hard to provide a haven for Sigma fans. <g>
>
>
Don't you realise Alan?
He set up a Gmail account in your name, using your Internet identity and
you can only vote one time... His vote in your name, his vote in my name
and so it goes for all the regulars here.

By the time you get out of bed in the morning of the vote, he'll have
voted a few hundred times in everyone's name at Gmail and yahoo and
hotmail and wherever else you get free Email addresses and not you or me
or anyone else he's stolen the identity of, will be able to make a no vote.


Douglas.
Anonymous
June 24, 2005 12:56:32 AM

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Ryadia wrote:
>>
> Don't you realise Alan?
> He set up a Gmail account in your name, using your Internet identity and
> you can only vote one time... His vote in your name, his vote in my name
> and so it goes for all the regulars here.
>
> By the time you get out of bed in the morning of the vote, he'll have
> voted a few hundred times in everyone's name at Gmail and yahoo and
> hotmail and wherever else you get free Email addresses and not you or me
> or anyone else he's stolen the identity of, will be able to make a no vote.


Relax, Doug.

Every person who gets exercised over anything the coward does merely
gives him his jollies.

--
John McWilliams
Anonymous
June 24, 2005 1:02:15 AM

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DoN. Nichols wrote:
>
> And -- they are all under *my* control.
>
> Enjoy,
> DoN.

Ahhh Yes...
Let's not lose control, eh?

Douglas
Anonymous
June 24, 2005 1:02:16 AM

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In article <42ba96b7$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>, Ryadia <just@the.group> wrote:
>DoN. Nichols wrote:
>>
>> And -- they are all under *my* control.
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> DoN.
>
>Ahhh Yes...
>Let's not lose control, eh?

It lets me turn off blocking quickly, if I discover it is in
error.

It lets me block entire regions when I have determined that
nothing that *I* will receive will be valid e-mail -- such as from
Korea, China, Brazil and Argentina so far. An ISP can't tar with as
wide a brush, because it is likely to have *some* users who need receive
e-mails from each of those locations.

Enjoy,
DoN.

--
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Anonymous
June 24, 2005 4:11:27 PM

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Alan Browne wrote:

> Ryadia@home wrote:
>
>> One of the reasons George Preddy posts have been thin on the ground
>> lately is no doubt his time has been taken up with creating hundreds
>> of sock puppet accounts in readyness for the vote.
>
>
> This is unfortunately likely. But if he does manage to create a .sigma
> group and nobody attends then it's all moot.
>

It's not like there's a limited number of newsgroups available anyway.
Anonymous
June 24, 2005 4:12:20 PM

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Gene Palmiter wrote:

> If there is any chance that by being busy elsewhere GP (Yikes! Same initials
> as me...but I am nobody's sock puppet!) will be too busy to post here than I
> am all in favor is him and other foveon users having their own group....but
> I don't care enough to bother voting either way.

Not likely, all you have to do is add another group to the cross-post list.
Anonymous
June 24, 2005 8:54:29 PM

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DoN. Nichols wrote:

> And I really don't see what a gmail account would do for me that
> I can't do with my own mail server (and lots of things which I could
> *not* do with gmail.)

There are advantages to gmail to those without their own personal mail
servers. gmail has pop3 access, as well as web access. So if you change
ISPs you can keep the same e-mail address and keep pop3 access without
having to always use the annoying web access. Yahoo mail and Hotmail
don't have pop3 access.

gmail has pretty good spam filters. The web portal will also
automatically flag the fake messages that try to get you to verify
paypal, ebay, or bank accounts. Hotmail limits you to ten filters
unless you sign up for a paid plan, and ten filters are not nearly enough.

As to "Preddy's" motivation, who knows? gmail is well suited to him,
since he can create many more aliases of people to agree with himself.

His whole Sigma schtick, and his many imaginary friends, has lost their
amusement value.
Anonymous
June 24, 2005 9:59:26 PM

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DoN. Nichols wrote:
> I've left this linked to the original thread, as I believe that it
> should be.
>
> I just got an invite to join gmail, from
> "george.preddy@gmail.com". I wonder how many others in this thread have
> gotten the same.

Just got mine this morning. Sent to my gmail address! Darwin was
apparently wrong.
Anonymous
June 25, 2005 3:28:57 AM

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In article <foydnbm4svSOxiHfRVn-ow@comcast.com>,
Brion K. Lienhart <brionl@lienhart.name> wrote:
>Gene Palmiter wrote:
>
>> If there is any chance that by being busy elsewhere GP (Yikes! Same initials
>> as me...but I am nobody's sock puppet!) will be too busy to post here than I
>> am all in favor is him and other foveon users having their own group....but
>> I don't care enough to bother voting either way.
>
>Not likely, all you have to do is add another group to the cross-post list.

That's not too bad - it's easy enough to killfile based on crossposting.
June 25, 2005 7:00:27 AM

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On Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:56:31 +1000, Ryadia <just@the.group> wrote:

>Alan Browne wrote:
>> Sarah Molly wrote:
>>
>>> I have started the process to call for an official vote for
>>> rec.photo.equipment.sigma. The vote will probably start sometime next
>>> week. I have received an overwhelming amount of email support for this
>>> proposal, so there is a *very* *good* chance of this group passing.
>>> The CFV will be posted here. Thanks.
>>
>>
>> I abstain from votes for which I have no interest, but this one I will
>> support hard to provide a haven for Sigma fans. <g>
>>
>>
>Don't you realise Alan?
>He set up a Gmail account in your name, using your Internet identity and
>you can only vote one time... His vote in your name, his vote in my name
>and so it goes for all the regulars here.
>
>By the time you get out of bed in the morning of the vote, he'll have
>voted a few hundred times in everyone's name at Gmail and yahoo and
>hotmail and wherever else you get free Email addresses and not you or me
>or anyone else he's stolen the identity of, will be able to make a no vote.
>
>
>Douglas.


If it is closely scrutinized as you say won't they be able to see that
all those votes came from the same server and maybe IP addy?? Although
I realize a few hundred addresses in the grand scheme of things isn't
very much.

I had no idea that opening a group was such an involved exercise. I
understood there was no hierarchy in usenet that it sorta fed upon
itself.....lol......but I suppose maintenance etc has to be performed
by someone I should do some research to find out more about how usenet
runs it certainly is a wonderful resource.

Brad

LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A
WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT,
SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!"
June 25, 2005 8:14:52 AM

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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:54:29 GMT, "Steven M. Scharf"
<scharf.steven@linkearth.net> wrote:

>DoN. Nichols wrote:
>
>> And I really don't see what a gmail account would do for me that
>> I can't do with my own mail server (and lots of things which I could
>> *not* do with gmail.)
>
>There are advantages to gmail to those without their own personal mail
>servers. gmail has pop3 access, as well as web access. So if you change
>ISPs you can keep the same e-mail address and keep pop3 access without
>having to always use the annoying web access. Yahoo mail and Hotmail
>don't have pop3 access.
>
>gmail has pretty good spam filters. The web portal will also
>automatically flag the fake messages that try to get you to verify
>paypal, ebay, or bank accounts. Hotmail limits you to ten filters
>unless you sign up for a paid plan, and ten filters are not nearly enough.
>
>As to "Preddy's" motivation, who knows? gmail is well suited to him,
>since he can create many more aliases of people to agree with himself.
>
>His whole Sigma schtick, and his many imaginary friends, has lost their
>amusement value.


I am only vaguely understanding whats going on with this but if anyone
wants a gmail invite I have quite a few available if anyone wants
one....just send me a short note telling me you would like one but
make sure you put in the subject line "newsgroup gmail" or I will
probably toss it because I won't recognize your name. Just take the
"spam" or "nospam" out of my address.

Brad

LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A
WELL-PRESERVED BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT,
SHOUTING... " HOLY @#$%... WHAT A RIDE!"
Anonymous
June 25, 2005 3:56:09 PM

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John Francis wrote:
> In article <foydnbm4svSOxiHfRVn-ow@comcast.com>,
> Brion K. Lienhart <brionl@lienhart.name> wrote:
>
>>Gene Palmiter wrote:
>>
>>
>>>If there is any chance that by being busy elsewhere GP (Yikes! Same initials
>>>as me...but I am nobody's sock puppet!) will be too busy to post here than I
>>>am all in favor is him and other foveon users having their own group....but
>>>I don't care enough to bother voting either way.
>>
>>Not likely, all you have to do is add another group to the cross-post list.
>
>
> That's not too bad - it's easy enough to killfile based on crossposting.
>

Unfortunately, that's one of the features Mozilla doesn't have yet.
!