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GTX 560 or HD 6850?

ok, so im kind of stuck here... ive always had radeon cards, and for the most part have been satisfyed (got 7 years out of a radeon 9550)
but, after bricking my hd 6770... ive got stuck with a totaly amazing </sarcasm> HD 4250...

so... http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX33841
or... http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX32214

ups for the gtx 560: i wont have to upgrade my psu, and it seems (according to Nvidea) put out a fair ammount of preformance
ups for the HD 6850: high end card, cheaper, more selection (by a little) on the IO

and fyi, im kind of limited to that store coz its the only good parts store in winnipeg (city close to where i live)... and also
i only have a 465 watt psu, would i be able to sneak by with the Radeon, coz im not running any fancy cards or anything, and my cpu only consumes 95 watts

and also before i go, im limited to 220 dollars "sighs"... otherwize i would go for higher parts :P

thanks in advance
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  1. nna2 said:
    ok, so im kind of stuck here... ive always had radeon cards, and for the most part have been satisfyed (got 7 years out of a radeon 9550)
    but, after bricking my hd 6770... ive got stuck with a totaly amazing </sarcasm> HD 4250...

    so... http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX33841
    or... http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX32214

    ups for the gtx 560: i wont have to upgrade my psu, and it seems (according to Nvidea) put out a fair ammount of preformance
    ups for the HD 6850: high end card, cheaper, more selection (by a little) on the IO

    and fyi, im kind of limited to that store coz its the only good parts store in winnipeg (city close to where i live)... and also
    i only have a 465 watt psu, would i be able to sneak by with the Radeon, coz im not running any fancy cards or anything, and my cpu only consumes 95 watts

    and also before i go, im limited to 220 dollars "sighs"... otherwize i would go for higher parts :P

    thanks in advance


    ATM NVIDIA product are a no no exept maybe if you dislike ATI. Due to the release of the 7000's series AMD droped the price on all of their GPU while NVIDIA didn't.

    So usualy you pay more for about the same performance.

    For the price of a gtx 560 you'd get a 6870 wich is simply a way bether. As for the PSU needed you can use:
    http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php?showtopic=264
    and
    http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculator.jsp

    But well I'm afraid that you'll need a bether PSU for any of those cards.

    But with such a low PSU I'd assume you have an old CPU too what is it ? Because you might considering saving a little more cash and building something completly new in the next year.
  2. i actually built this pc late last year, lemme list off the specs :P
    AMD Phenom II 840
    ATI (asus) radeon hd 4250
    retail + 465W psu, it only has 1 pci-e 4pin plug though
    then i have a dvd drive and a 2tb hardrive ("energy efficient" 5900rpm)
    8GB ddr3 1.5V

    and i looked, and it said the gtx 560 only required 450W, are you sure i cant run it?
  3. yeah im still looking at this http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/NVIDIA_Series/ENGTX560_DC2DI1GD5/#specifications
    or this
    http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/AMD_Series/EAH6850_DC2DIS1GD5/

    the issue i have with the AMD based system is that puts me 30$ over budget not including taxes D:
  4. nna2 said:
    yeah im still looking at this http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/NVIDIA_Series/ENGTX560_DC2DI1GD5/#specifications
    or this
    http://www.asus.com/Graphics_Cards/AMD_Series/EAH6850_DC2DIS1GD5/

    the issue i have with the AMD based system is that puts me 30$ over budget not including taxes D:


    I'm not sure it can't especialy since I wasn't aware of your PC build :-P

    But with the 2 link I provided you should be able to know if you can.

    For the money personaly I'd go with the 6870 if your PSU can afford it otherwise if your on a budget the gtx560 do not worth it over the 6850 IMO the higher price isn't justified.

    If you can save money to get a bether PSU and then a bether GPU it might worth it if you realy can't afford going this way I'd definatly go for the 6850 or the 6870.

    If the HHD weren,t that overpriced I'd tell ya to get a 7200rpm HHD asap but since the 1Tb are going for 150$ and you are on a budget it wouldn't worth it.
  5. lol, well if i dont get a new gpu soon my head will explode, so i think im going to look it over a little more, and see what i can do
  6. Well the 6850: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908

    144.99$ + 10.74shipping and a 15$ rebatecard + free dirt game

    the 6870: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161389
    164.99$ + 10.74$ shippind with a 10$ rebate card and free dirt game

    the gtx560: 184.99$ + 11.49$ shipping no rebate card no free game.

    NVIDIA are rip-off nowadays it will probably change with kelper2 release
  7. ok, looking at it now, according to a review i found, it takes a peak of just under 250 Watts, looking at the side of my psu, its 12V rail has 18-19 amps, should i take the risk?

    edit: err i was wrong, i have 2 12V rails, and the amps equal up to 31, which should have no issue running this card according to other posts ive found
  8. 12 x 19 = 228 Watts
    if it peaks at 250 watts ehh... you'd get hosed... (that was a Canadian reference BTW)
  9. nna2 said:
    ok, looking at it now, according to a review i found, it takes a peak of just under 250 Watts, looking at the side of my psu, its 12V rail has 18-19 amps, should i take the risk?

    edit: err i was wrong, i have 2 12V rails, and the amps equal up to 31, which should have no issue running this card according to other posts ive found


    Well don't know enough about PC power usage sorry. But well beeing an electrician I know that a 250watt out-put on a 12v system will use 20.83 amp. Duno if its work like that for PSU and computer usage but thats how you know what kind of wire you need in my job :-P

    Maybe someone else might help you on that one.

    edit: keep in mind that you need amp for the rest of your system too (not only your GPU is on 12v )
  10. See... the electrician says its bad ehh...
  11. What resolution are you going to be running it at? If it's not 1080 or in the 800 range, you could likely go with a 6790 and a stronger PSU, that way in the future you can add a 6790 and get even more oomph for fairly cheap
  12. I say go for the HD 6850. Especially if you game at lower than 1080p. A pricier GPU won't make much of a difference.
  13. Well, with a limit of $220 I would go with a 6870. With 31 Amps total on the 12v rails you should be fine, but if you wanted to go with a new PSU anyway

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131378

    and this PSU which seems to have decent reviews and should allow you to even use a second 6870

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817815010

    http://www.kitguru.net/components/power-supplies/zardon/xigmatek-nrp-pc702-power-supply-review/
  14. AMD's power recommendation is much much more forgiving than nvidia's.

    450w nvida =550w AMD for the same power draw on a card. The 6850 draws a lot less power than the 560 which draws more power than the 6870.

    No point in buying the 560 unless you prefer nvidia for other reasons. Your psu should be able to run the 6850 as its one of the most power efficient cards available.
  15. OP 6850 is the better option but the ME pricing is way to highe cause for the price of the 560 you could get a 560ti and price of 6850 you could move up to 6870. The 6850 takes less power and only one 6pin than the 560 I would go 6850 for sure but $189 is way to high a price for one.
  16. Look at the numbers and you decide:

    Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite, COD-MW, Bad Company 2, Dirt 2, Far Cry 2, Metro 2033, Dawn of Discovery, Crysis Warhead. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI:


    $ 155.00 6850 (371/634) $ 0.42 - $ 0.49
    $ 170.00 6870 (434/701) $ 0.39 - $ 0.49
    $ 220.00 6950 (479/751) $ 0.46 - $ 0.59
    $ 240.00 6950 Frozr OC (484/759) $ 0.50 - $ 0.63
    $ 205.00 560 Ti (455/792) $ 0.45 - $ 0.52
    $ 320.00 6970 (526/825) $ 0.61 - $ 0.78
    $ 205.00 560 Ti - 900 Mhz (495/862) $ 0.41 - $ 0.48
    $ 340.00 570 (524/873) $ 0.65 - $ 0.78
    $ 470.00 580 (616/953) $ 0.76 - $ 0.99
    $ 725.00 6990 (762/903) $ 0.95 - $ 1.61
    $ 750.00 590 (881/982) $ 0.85 - $ 1.53
    $ 450.00 7950 (603/NG*) $ 0.75 - ERR*
    $ 550.00 7970 (675/NG*) $ 0.81 - ERR*

    * The 79xx series presently has driver "issues" with 4 games when CF'd in the test suite, this is expected to be resolved w/ future driver updates.

    In a single card configuration.....the best bang for the buck top 3 are:

    6870 w/ 434 fps and 39 cents per frame
    900Mhz 560 Ti w/ 495 fps and 41 cents per frame
    6850 w/ 371 fps and 42 cents per frame

    In a SLI / CFd configuration.....the best bang for the buck top 3 are:

    900Mhz 560 Ti w/ 862 fps and 48 cents per frame
    6870 w/ 434 fps and 49 cents per frame
    6850 w/ 371 fps and 49 cents per frame

    At $220, the choice is very easy....the $205 900 Mhz 560 Ti gives ya 495 fps and when SLI'd takes you to 862. The factory OC'd 6950 comes close to the 560 in the single card configuration at 484 fps, it falls far behind when CF'd at only 759 fps (over 100 fps slower) .... and looking just now it's up to $270 .

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125363
  17. i dont have a credit card or cheques, so im limited to memory express...
    http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX32215 direct cu makes me smile XD
    http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX35329 3 fans makes me smile :P
    http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX37061 iceq seems nice, but my recent experience with my 6770 kinda shy's me away from HIS
    http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX35341 this is the cheapest 6870
    also i dont think it matters, but between both my 12V rails, the first one is rated 200W, and the second 300W, the first being 15A, and the second 16
  18. Best answer
    nna2 said:
    http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX37061 iceq seems nice, but my recent experience with my 6770 kinda shy's me away from HIS

    Aw, but it's so great! I'm in love with mine :-)
  19. oh kk :P, i wish HIS had an overclocking warranty like EVGA, kinda bugged me how they pushed me off last time, though no company wouldnt tbh

    oh yes, and i game @1080x1920
    and i'd rather not move back to a *7** card, im a gamer and i like preformance :P, it was bad enough being sold one in the first place
  20. while im thinking of it, does the ICEQ version have an LED fan? or any sorta light... i think it'd look pretty sweet, though it would keep me up at night :P
  21. okay scratch that, im sold with the His Radeon HD 6970 IceQ X, 199.99 is great for a highly factory overclocked card that goes up to 220$, has a 90mm fan, and 4 heatpipes... thanks for the help guys
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