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April 19, 2012 6:05:16 AM

Hey everyone! New user here but long time reader :p  , I have recently thought of building my very first computer and would love some help. I dont know much about building but understand some basic stuff. My laptop just doesn't cut it anymore while playing WoW. I would like to build a new gaming rig for WoW and for the new MoP that is coming out later this year.


Approximate Purchase Date: Within a month

Budget Range: Would like to keep it under $800.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Photoshop, Streaming, Fraps.

Parts Not Required: Mouse, Speakers, I have a monitor but plan to upgrade so its a possibility.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: I have been using Amazon, but newegg will work as well.

Country: USA, Georgia

Parts Preferences: Doesn't matter.

Overclocking: I dont know anything about overclocking so no :p 

SLI or Crossfire: See above about overclocking :p 

Monitor Resolution: My current resolution on my laptop is 1366x768. But I guess it depends on the monitor I get?

Additional Comments: I would like to play WoW atleast 50+ frames at all times on medium settings. Wouldn't mind going a bit higher on the settings but not necessary.


The parts I have found have basically been from a member called "zero__" I used his blog and basically the setups he had. But would love to get more input! Mainly would it run fine.


CPU
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Intel Core i5 Processor i5-2310 2.9GHz 6MB LGA1155 CPU (BX80623I52310)


Motherboard
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Gigabyte Intel H77 LGA1155 AMD CrossFireX HDMI/DVI Dual UEFI BIOS mATX Motherboard GA-H77M-D3H

Memory
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Samsung Electronics Extreme Low Voltage 30nm UDIMM 8 Dual Channel Kit DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM MV-3V4G3D/US

HDD
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Seagate Barracuda 7200 500 GB SATA 6.0 Gb-s 16 MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive ST500DM002

Drive
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Asus 24xDVD-RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive DRW-24B1ST (Black)

PSU
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Corsair Builder Series CX V2 500-Watt 80 Plus Certified Power Supply Compatible with Intel and AMD Platforms - CMPSU-500CXV2

Case
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NZXT Source 210 -Inch ELITE-Inch Midtower Case with 3.0 USB - Black

Graphics Card
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ASUS HD7850-DC2-2GD5 Radeon 2GB DDR5 VGA/DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort GPU Tweak Utilities PCI-Express 3.0 Graphics Card HD7850-DC2-2GD5


Monitor
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ASUS VH202T-P 20-Inch Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black


I know with the monitor it puts me over $800 buts its okay. As you can tell I followed "zero__" 's build for $800 and I was just wondering if there are any changes I could make to keep it close to $800 but get more out of it. If not thats okay. :p 

Thanks for taking the time to read and help me! :) 

quick edit : forgot to include OS, I will also be purchasing win7.

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a b 4 Gaming
April 19, 2012 12:03:38 PM

That all looks OK to me. If you want to save a bit of cash you could drop the GPU down to the HD 7770, the HD 7850 seems a bit overkill for WoW.
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April 19, 2012 1:06:58 PM

CPU: If you're not going to overclock, go with an i5-2400. Overclocking is easy though, and I would recommend it. Tell me if you rethink it... it's not difficult or dangerous (as long as you don't go too far).

Mobo: jmsellars.. you didn't notice it was an AMD mobo? That motherboard isn't compatible with that CPU. Try an ASRock H61 motherboard if you're not going to overclock.

RAM: Your RAM is CAS11... I wouldn't suggest it. Try some G.Skill DDR3-1600 8GB 1.5v CAS9 RAM on newegg... Ripjaws or Vengeance

GPU: Fine.

Overall, this is kind of overkill for WoW (the 7850 can run BF3 on high or Max with no AA)... but it'll run any other games fine. Just don't get that motherboard.
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a b 4 Gaming
April 19, 2012 1:20:20 PM

That motherboard is fine, it's socket 1155 not AMD. It's even H77 which means it's Ivy Bridge compatible.
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April 19, 2012 5:07:11 PM

Thanks for the replies. Thats why I wanted to ask! I dont want to be buying parts that aren't compatible with each other. :p  Also, you guys say its overkill? Would it allow me to stream and fraps and stay over say 50+ if not 60-70+ at all times?

The RAM, I also love Ripjaw and wanted to include it but wasn't sure at all. What do you think about Kingston? That was my 2nd choice.

As far as overclocking goes, I have no clue how to do it and dont really feel comfortable doing it unless I knew much more about it.

Also the motherboard, I will look at others if its not compatible, but I will just double check to make sure. I will look at that one you suggested as well.

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a b 4 Gaming
April 19, 2012 5:25:36 PM

That motherboard is compatible. It is the right socket and is on the CPU support list for that board:

http://www.gigabyte.us/support-downloads/cpu-support-po...


The HD 7850 is great value for money and if you plan to play other more demanding games then go for it. If you're just playing WoW then I would say yes, it's overkill. If you're just playing WoW I'd grab the HD 7770. It should perform about the same as the GTX 460, I have that myself and play Skyrim on ultra high settings @ 1920x1200. FPS isn't ultra high but it's certainly playable at those settings.

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April 19, 2012 5:37:54 PM

Thanks jmsellars1 , Is there any other build you could suggest that would save some money while also being able to play and stream / record at the same time?

I plan on playing medium - high settings and would like to keep the frames over 50+ while doing all that.

The only other game I would play would be Command and Conquer Generals 2 , when it comes out. But I would mainly use this computer just for WoW. Also, I noticed the resolution you pointed out, I'm not sure what I would play on since my monitor is 20 inch. Would I play on settings that high? Is it necessary to play on settings that high?
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April 19, 2012 5:56:09 PM

With LCD monitors it's generally best to run at your monitors native resolution which is usually listed on the back of it.
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a b 4 Gaming
April 19, 2012 6:00:46 PM

A 20'' monitor is most likely 1600x900 so a fairly low resolution by today's standards, this will make your FPS even higher by putting even less strain on the graphics card. The HD 7770 should be great. RTS games in general aren't very graphically demanding either, they tend to rely more on the processor.

This would be my choice for you:

(Prices from Newegg)

i5-3570K - around $220 when released next week
8GB G.Skill Ares 1333Mhz - $41.99
ASRock Z77 Pro3 LGA 1155 - $109.99
ASUS HD 7770 1GB - $139.99
Seagate Barracuda 500GB - $79.99
Antec EA-430D 430W - $39.99
NZXT Source 210 - $39.99
Samsung DVD Burner - $16.99

Total - ~$690


That CPU will be the best gaming CPU around and is also overclockable so in a couple of years when you feel like you need an upgrade, you could learn to overclock and get even longer out of it.



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April 19, 2012 6:02:56 PM

Thanks ntrceptr, I read through some of the comments and the very first one listed it as 1600x900 , which is good enough for me :p  coming from 1366x768. But since this computer is "overkill" for WoW, could you or someone else suggest other parts I could possibly switch out for to save some money?

Thanks!
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April 19, 2012 6:07:30 PM

jmsellars1 said:
A 20'' monitor is most likely 1600x900 so a fairly low resolution by today's standards, this will make your FPS even higher by putting even less strain on the graphics card. The HD 7770 should be great. RTS games in general aren't very graphically demanding either, they tend to rely more on the processor.

This would be my choice for you:

(Prices from Newegg)

i5-3570K - around $220 when released next week
8GB G.Skill Ares 1333Mhz - $41.99
ASRock Z77 Pro3 LGA 1155 - $109.99
ASUS HD 7770 1GB - $139.99
Seagate Barracuda 500GB - $79.99
Antec EA-430D 430W - $39.99
NZXT Source 210 - $39.99
Samsung DVD Burner - $16.99

Total - ~$690


That CPU will be the best gaming CPU around and is also overclockable so in a couple of years when you feel like you need an upgrade, you could learn to overclock and get even longer out of it.



Oh thanks! I responded almost exactly when you did :p  , but I am looking at the mobo and never heard of it. But if you can recommend something that will be awesome for gaming, then I will be sure to check it out and ask any questions I have about it. :)  I noticed the PSU is only 430w? I was told by a friend to have atleast 500w? Or is 430 good enough and not needed for a CPU like this? Would I be able to find a benchmark?(I think) on how many frames I would be getting? I know with fraps and or streaming , my frames on my current laptop drop by 15-20.

Thanks again jmsellars1 , Just want to make sure I get the best bang for my buck ^_^
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April 19, 2012 6:14:16 PM

Oh, yikes. Sorry about the motherboard... I saw AMD and immediately alarms went off.

Kingston RAM has a GREAT reputation (as well as Crucial).

I think that the build jmsellars1 suggested is great. Maybe an MSI Twin Frozr II OC instead of ASUS for the GPU manufacturer, and possibly switch to a GTX 560 Ti (to ensure you will play everything on high settings). I think the 7770 might be too much of a step down.

By the way, anything above 60fps doesn't make a difference in games unless you have a special monitor. The monitor itself only refreshes at 60 times per second! It's best to keep above 60fps at all times, though, due to vertical tearing and that kind of thing.
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a b 4 Gaming
April 19, 2012 6:18:30 PM

The PSU required depends on the system. The max power usage for each component should be roughly:

CPU - 95W
MOBO/RAM/HDD/Fans - ~50W
HD 7770 - ~80W

Add another ~100W for overclocking and any headroom you might want and that brings you to around 320-350W. 430W is plenty.


With the HD 7770 on WoW at ultra high settings you are looking at ~45FPS with AA turned on or ~80FPS with it turned off.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7770-7750...
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April 19, 2012 6:19:01 PM

ddan49 said:
Oh, yikes. Sorry about the motherboard... I saw AMD and immediately alarms went off.

Kingston RAM has a GREAT reputation (as well as Crucial).

I think that the build jmsellars1 suggested is great. Maybe an MSI Twin Frozr II OC instead of ASUS for the GPU manufacturer, and possibly switch to a GTX 560 Ti (to ensure you will play everything on high settings). I think the 7770 might be too much of a step down.

By the way, anything above 60fps doesn't make a difference in games unless you have a special monitor. The monitor itself only refreshes at 60 times per second! It's best to keep above 60fps at all times, though, due to vertical tearing and that kind of thing.



Hehe, Yeah. I had Kingston RAM but decided not to include it. I was just reading about some of the things on the build jmsellars1 suggested. I like it alot, the only problem I have is with the PSU. Also , I will take a look at the GTX 560 Ti as well.

Also yeah the 60 fps , I have read it doesnt make a difference. But when I start to record / stream, my frames are bound to drop, which is why I would like to have something over 60 so when it does drop, it is still give or take around 60. Unless I'm thinking about it wrong? :D 
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April 19, 2012 6:22:17 PM

jmsellars1 said:
The PSU required depends on the system. The max power usage for each component should be roughly:

CPU - 95W
MOBO/RAM/HDD/Fans - ~50W
HD 7770 - ~80W

Add another ~100W for overclocking and any headroom you might want and that brings you to around 320-350W. 430W is plenty.


With the HD 7770 on WoW at ultra high settings you are looking at ~45FPS with AA turned on or ~80FPS with it turned off.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7770-7750...



Okay, I dont want to sound like a "noob" but I'm not sure what AA is =/ I believe on my current laptop I have it turned off and the most frames I can get is like 20. That is standing outside in the middle of no where. You can imagine what it is like when I have a lot going on. :)  I would be playing at Medium to High settings, so I think that card would be perfect if I decided i didn't need AA. I will always take into consideration though about what everyone suggest.

Thanks everyone for trying to help me and helping me, Any other suggestions? I dont believe I will need a wifi card as the modem is in my room. But if it came down to it, What kind of adapters do you suggest?
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April 19, 2012 6:27:25 PM

Do not get the 7850 if you are playing WoW!
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...
From the article, "Finally, we have to mention that the Radeon HD 7850 crashed over and over during testing, requiring far too many reboots before we were finally able to capture useable benchmark results."

Blizzard Games play better on Nvidia cards period. I play WoW on a GTX 560 Ti Maxed out on Ultra settings at 1920x 1080. I get 60 Fps all the time. During raids when things get the worst I've seen the fps drop as low as 52 fps. You can sit at the AH in org or SW all day and never go below 60 fps.

The rest of your build looks great.
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a b 4 Gaming
April 19, 2012 6:28:19 PM

AA stands for Anti Aliasing. It means edges will be made to look smoother.
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April 19, 2012 6:29:12 PM

You're fine. I don't think fraps does anything with the GPU, though... I'm pretty sure it only taxes the CPU. That's why I usually recommend a stronger CPU vs GPU (I mean... CPUs are always stronger than GPUs... an i5-2500k will not bottleneck any GPU on the market). I'd definitely recommend the GTX 560 Ti in that case, by the way. Just to be safe.

Now, the PSU... I used the eXtreme Outervision PSU calculator to calculate the wattage required. Basically, I went with a very taxing setup (meaning a high overclock with higher end components). I had a high-end mobo selected, i5-2500k as CPU, GTX 560 Ti, CPU overclocked to 4.0GHz at 1.4v, 2 sticks of DDR3 RAM, a 7200rpm HDD, DVD-RW/DVD+RW Drive, fan controller, 4 120mm fans, and 2 140mm fans. Total wattage? 464W. Because PSUs age and perform best at 80% of load, I would suggest at least a 550W PSU... try the Antec Continuous Stream 550W 80+ at newegg (one of the top rated). This would be optimal for your build.
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a b 4 Gaming
April 19, 2012 6:33:10 PM

I'd just like to point out that the HD 7770 consumes ~70W less than the GTX 560Ti and I didn't include that many fans in my calculation so we are both correct.
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April 19, 2012 6:33:53 PM

pacioli said:
Do not get the 7850 if you are playing WoW!
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...
From the article, "Finally, we have to mention that the Radeon HD 7850 crashed over and over during testing, requiring far too many reboots before we were finally able to capture useable benchmark results."

Blizzard Games play better on Nvidia cards period. I play WoW on a GTX 560 Ti Maxed out on Ultra settings at 1920x 1080. I get 60 Fps all the time. During raids when things get the worst I've seen the fps drop as low as 52 fps. You can sit at the AH in org or SW all day and never go below 60 fps.

The rest of your build looks great.


Incorrect. They had the reference version of the 7850...

All cards have these problems when they first start out. It's because of drivers. I can assure you that the NVidia 680 was crashing like a female dog when it was first released (or the drivers were first released). Since then, the problems have been resolved. I would still recommend the GTX 560 Ti, but... the AMD cards won't perform that much worse.
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April 19, 2012 6:35:41 PM

jmsellars1 said:
I'd just like to point out that the HD 7770 consumes ~70W less than the GTX 560Ti and I didn't include that many fans in my calculation so we are both correct.


Yeah. Technically, a 500W PSU would be fine since it's over the recommended (not just minimum) with a very taxing setup. The thing is that I wanted to account for aging later on, so I added 50W. Also, the 20-80% zone is ideal to be in.

But you're still right. I'm just saying our two builds require different power requirements.
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April 19, 2012 6:36:10 PM

Thanks everyone for the help, I believe I will go with the GTX 560 Ti, while looking on newegg I seen quite a few of them just different brands, Could you kindly link the one that you are looking at / use? Also once again I have never heard of that GPU, Could you give me some insight please? ^_^ I dont know how to OC so as for now I wouldn't, unless I have one of my friends do it who know a little about computers. But as far as everything else goes, all the required cables will come with everything that is needed correct?

I'm a first time builder and dont want to mess anything up! :) 
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a b 4 Gaming
April 19, 2012 6:39:38 PM

If you go for the GTX 560Ti then I would go with a 500-550W PSU like ddan49 said. It's a lot more power hungry than the newer cards. Personally I'd go for this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA are very reliable for Nvidia cards, the reviews for that card prove that.
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April 19, 2012 6:41:39 PM

Yeah, I was looking at the EVGA brand, Wasn't sure if 1GB or 2GB though.


quick edit : I'm off to work but i will be checking back when I get home so I didnt forget you guys! Thanks for all the help so far! Dont forget me either! :) 

quick edit 2: ddan49, could you possibly suggest a build as well? So I can compare the 2 between you and jmsellars1. I want to see what kind of options I have.
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April 19, 2012 6:51:51 PM

ddan49 said:
Incorrect. They had the reference version of the 7850...

All cards have these problems when they first start out. It's because of drivers. I can assure you that the NVidia 680 was crashing like a female dog when it was first released (or the drivers were first released). Since then, the problems have been resolved. I would still recommend the GTX 560 Ti, but... the AMD cards won't perform that much worse.


Not incorrect...

http://forums.wowlite.net/thread.php?id=4138436261&foru...

More crashes...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...

see update on newer cards at bottom of page... WoW crashes with both the 7870 and the 7850

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4175551821

From the WoW forums... see the last posts...

Oh yeah... the 560 ti is cheaper than the 7850 too...
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April 19, 2012 6:51:59 PM

I played Wow since BC..and quit a month ago. One thing I know for sure is that WoW will DC or crash or you may wipe and have to log back in...WoW on a SSD is nice. On progression nights its a blessing to have. WoW on high/medium on a low res set up does not need an !5.

Running stuff in the background might mean you keep the i5 but I'd wounder if an i3 and other stuff could be moved around to get that SSD.
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April 19, 2012 6:54:50 PM

jmsellars1 said:
If you go for the GTX 560Ti then I would go with a 500-550W PSU like ddan49 said. It's a lot more power hungry than the newer cards. Personally I'd go for this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA are very reliable for Nvidia cards, the reviews for that card prove that.


The 560 ti is not power hungry...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...

It used 107 watts while both the 7850 and the 7870 used 99 watts.

EVGA is the brand with the best customer service and warranties

Asus makes quality cards

MSI has the best cooling and can be OCed

2 Gb or 1 gb won't make a difference with a single monitor at 1920 x 1080

I recommend getting a card with a higher stock clock speed.

Also if available the GTX 560 Ti 448 core edition performs considerably better than the regular 560 Ti and the price difference between the two is not much.
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a b 4 Gaming
April 19, 2012 6:58:58 PM

I'm comparing it to the HD 7770. Also the HD 7850 and HD 7870 give far better performance despite using less power, I'd say that made them less power hungry.
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April 19, 2012 7:04:34 PM

jmsellars1 said:
I'm comparing it to the HD 7770. Also the HD 7850 and HD 7870 give far better performance despite using less power, I'd say that made them less power hungry.


2 fps more for the 7850 in WoW is not "far better performance"

And when you consider the whole 7850 crashing while playing WoW thing with the current drivers...

If the OP wasn't playing WoW then the 7850 would be an awesome option... It's just that the 7850 kinda sucks at running WoW
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a b 4 Gaming
April 19, 2012 7:08:13 PM

In other games the HD 7850 is similar to the GTX 560Ti 448 and GTX 570.
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April 19, 2012 7:13:03 PM

I'd recommend this card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I've owned two of them for over a year.
I bought them the week they were released in February 2011.
My wife and I both play WoW on i5 2500Ks with GTX 560 Tis
We love them.

You know what is fun to watch? A holy paladin vs a retro paladin that are married duking it out for 10 minutes... She won because she has better PVP gear...

Also... since you are in Georgia you should take advantage of the Micro Center i5 2500K deal for the month of April.

The i5 2500K costs $179 and when you buy it you get a $50 discount on a motherboard for it...! You can pick up the i5 2500K in-store in either Duluth or Marietta

Also Micro Center has a deal going on where you get an i7 2600K for $199
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April 19, 2012 8:07:17 PM

pacioli said:
Not incorrect...

http://forums.wowlite.net/thread.php?id=4138436261&foru...

More crashes...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...

see update on newer cards at bottom of page... WoW crashes with both the 7870 and the 7850

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/4175551821

From the WoW forums... see the last posts...

Oh yeah... the 560 ti is cheaper than the 7850 too...


The 560 Ti performs worse than the 7850. However, I'm still suggesting the 560 Ti because anything higher is unnecessary. I was saying that the problems were when the 7850 was just released. Most of the links you posted were when it was just released. All cards will have driver problems. As for the update on tomshardware, they say: " We’re inclined to believe the Radeon HD 7850 problems in the Tom’s Hardware US lab are primarily related to platform compatibility".

Anyway, I would VERY STRONGLY recommend an MSI Twin Frozr II OC GTX 560 Ti... it is SO SO SO GOOD! Link here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That's the 1GB version, by the way. I would really recommend it... it's pre-overclocked so it runs faster, it has great and quiet cooling so you can overclock it farther yourself, and it's reliable. It'll cost a bit more, though. EVGA is very reliable, but generic in their cooling... the superclocked edition is like the OC on the Twin Frozr, I think.
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April 19, 2012 11:36:20 PM

Im on lunch break at work, but I will look at the links provided and also look on micro center, but the msi is a gpu or mobo? its hard to read it on my phone :p  lol sorry for being so bad with computers!
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a b 4 Gaming
April 20, 2012 12:04:14 AM

That MSI GTX 560Ti is pretty much the same price as the HD 7850 so we are pretty much back where we started with a weaker but slightly more power hungry graphics card lol.
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April 20, 2012 2:33:30 AM

Haha yeah I noticed that too! But after reading through some of the replies, the HD 7850 has problems with WoW?

I dont want to buy something bad :(  Thanks for helping me everyone! I want to make sure I get the best of the best and you guys know your stuff! :) 
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April 20, 2012 5:28:47 AM

CPU : i5-3570K (When released) - $220+

RAM : G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-1333C9D-8GAO - $41.99

Motherboard : ASRock Z77 Pro3 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard (A little concearned about this one just because it has no reviews on newegg. :(  ) - $109.99

GPU : EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1363-KR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 192-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card (Its $10 more than the one jmsellars1 used but its superclocked already, will it make much of a difference?) - $159.99

Harddrive : Seagate Barracuda ST500DM002 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive - $79.99

PSU : CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - $59.99

Case : NZXT Source 210 S210-001 Black “Aluminum Brush / Plastic” ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - $39.99

Optical Drive : ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM - $17.99

Monitor : ASUS VH202T-P 20-Inch Widescreen LCD Monitor - Black - $125.95

OS - Win 7 (Cant seem to find one though?) - $99


Total - ~ $895.88

I basically used the build jmsellars1 provided with a few tweaks. See above for the questions asked on each product.

I could possibly get the OS from bestbuy for cheaper as a friend works there. Not sure how much of a discount he gets on it but its something to look at. The monitor, I'm not set on either. I would love to stay near the $750-$800 mark but hard to when I need a monitor + OS. Take both of those off and I'm fine. Haha :p 

But other than that, How does this build look? I would love to get the GTX 560 Ti, but to expensive at the moment :( 
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April 20, 2012 10:49:13 AM

The overclocked 460 will be slightly better than the HD 7770. It consumes almost double the power though so if you care about quietness I would be tempted to go with the HD 7770. If you don't then the GTX 460 is fine.

The reason that board has no reviews is because it's brand new, not many people have had chance to buy it yet. If anything goes wrong, you have a warranty so I wouldn't worry. I always use ASRock myself and they have been very reliable. (In my own experience they have been more reliable than ASUS)

If you are absolutely 100% sure you will never overclock then you could go for a slightly cheaper i5, 4GB RAM and a slightly cheaper H77 motherboard then grab the HD 7770 and a smaller 400W PSU. That would save you $50-60 or so and you wouldn't get any noticeable loss in gaming performance. It would mean you can't overclock in future though.
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April 20, 2012 12:19:05 PM

Woops... I completely forgot about the MSI being the same price as a 7850 (practically). I guess the EVGA is fine. My friend has the EVGA 560 Ti, and he says it maxes out every game at 60+ fps... although that seems strange to me.
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April 20, 2012 5:20:08 PM

I wouldn't mind trying to overclock in the near future, I just dont really know how to. I would have to read up on it more or stuff. But the quietness doesn't really bother me. Also I read some other threads and seen ddan49 said something about a cooler? Would I need to buy one or will I be fine? I will probably go with the setup I provided, I just wanted to know if it was good to go. Its not what I started out at but when I seen the total from what some have suggested, I couldn't afford it.
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April 20, 2012 11:36:19 PM

A cooler (for the CPU) is necessary if you want to overclock. I'd suggest a Hyper 212. However, while you're not overclocking, you don't need to buy a separate cooler.. your CPU comes with an Intel one (although it's not very good, it'll run your CPU fine at stock speeds). If you ever want to overclock, get a better CPU fan... usually $25-$35.

Your build has a few issues that are easily solved.

First of all, the motherboard. Should be fine. No reviews because it only came out recently, and no one buys a Z77 BEFORE Ivy Bridge.

The GPU: The Superclocked edition is fine... it'll come a little close to the 560 Ti (not really all that close, though...). I'm assuming you mean the GTX 560 Ti that jmsellars recommended. It's still worse, but it's cheaper. I think you'll be fine. jmsellars is right on all points about the GPU.

HDD: For another $20 you could go with a 1TB...

Overall, you should be okay!
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April 21, 2012 12:10:02 AM

Thanks guys! I'm not worried about the HDD as I have a few externals. I also want to overclock, but don't know how. :( 
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April 21, 2012 12:21:13 AM

Lots of easy guides... especially for the i5-2500k
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April 21, 2012 6:24:13 AM

Hey ddan49 and jmsellars1, do you guys mind if I message both of you? I just had a few questions and stuff. Also while doing so , this thread can be closed after. I have many of my questions answered, just needed a few more.
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April 21, 2012 10:33:42 AM

Feel free to ask them in the thread, that's what it's here for. If you message me I'll be sure to reply though.
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April 21, 2012 11:34:31 AM

Same here!
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April 21, 2012 7:39:41 PM

Okay, So the 2nd build I provided is fine? The only reason I dont want to go with AMD graphics is because I heard WoW works best with Nvidia. While i'm not sure if there is truth or not behind that I feel comfortable not taking the risk. The power supply should be enough right? 500W?

I might not need to buy a OS so that saves me $100, So I might have budget to upgrade something. What would you suggest in upgrading for $100? Or spread it out with the upgrades?

Also the CPU should be fine correct? The i5 3750k? It should be "amazing" right? Haha

I read some reviews but im not sure still.

Also the HDD , My friend who works at bestbuy, they are actually trying to get rid of some overstock and said a 2 TB is only $114. I'm not sure if I want to jump onto it though. Its awesome but I will never use up that much space. Its a Seagate Barracuda.

Just let me know guys! Please! Thank you. :) 
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April 21, 2012 10:40:03 PM

The CPU won't be "amazing", but it'll be fine. I'd buy a Hyper 212 Evo CPU cooler now so that you can install it and not need to take everything off when you decide to overclock. It'll also cool your CPU more and keep quieter.

Make sure that the HDD is 7200rpm. Also, if possible, could you send us a link (well... post it here) on bestbuy's website for the HDD? Then we could evaluate it more. Sometimes there'll be little things that make them cheaper, but less reliable.

Internal HDDs are always better than external because of transfer speeds (instead of USB, Sata).
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April 22, 2012 12:10:56 PM

If the hard drive is 7200RPM and it's not a refurb I'd go for it.

Yeah that CPU should be fantastic, it should be one of the best gaming CPU's around.

500W is more than fine. I don't think you will ever pull more than 300W from the PSU currently. Maybe you will if you overclock.
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April 22, 2012 1:49:49 PM

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April 22, 2012 5:48:27 PM

That could be why its so cheap and on sale. Its only 5900RPM. But , Do I have to do the thermal paste and all that on the cooler? Because I watched a new egg video and it seemed kinda hard to do in my opinion. Lol.

I will overclock but I'm not sure when. But it shouldn't get over 500w if I just barely overclock it right?
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