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April 19, 2012 7:43:31 PM

hey! so, i live in Israel- so i will translate and convert everything i can from what i will post-
so i want a good Computer for gaming, and my budget is around 1100$ (Roughly converted) so i asked in a forum (Israeli) and they offered me this:
http://www.tm*s.*co.il/prev*iew/spec/pm*aglnkj
(without *)
translation:
1. Processor- around 284$
2. Processor Cooling- around 55$
3. MotherBoard- around 143$
4. forgot its name. the box thingy you put everything inside... around 93$
5. Power supply- around 98$
6. Memory(X2)-around 61$ (both) 30.5$ (each)
7. Hard Disk- around 154$
8. graphics card (x2-SLI)- around 212$ (both) 106$ (each)
9. Drive- around 26$
10. Building- free
11. Processor OC- Free
final- around 1126$. slightly above- but i can afford it.

now how good is this build?
whats the maximum i can OC the Processor?
will I have to/Should I OC any other component?

My original pick was a single Radeon HD 5970. would it be better- cause it makes only slightly better performance then GTX 460 SLI, and its more expensive (way more).
thank you!

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April 19, 2012 7:54:07 PM

These are all very high quality parts. The prices are higher than they are in the U.S., but I guess that's to be expected.

This processor will OC very well because the multiplier is unlocked. Most 2500ks will easily break 4ghz.

You can overclock graphics cards, but they are much harder and overclock far less than processors.
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April 19, 2012 8:17:58 PM

That is an excellent build. However, I would suggest getting GTX 460 1GB, as it's cheaper and 2GB offers no advantage in terms of performance at 1920x1080 or below. If the 2GB is cheaper that's fine.

-you'll need a bigger power supply, as the Seasonic 620w does not have the required connectors. Looks for something at 750w.
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April 19, 2012 8:24:34 PM

jsrudd said:
These are all very high quality parts. The prices are higher than they are in the U.S., but I guess that's to be expected.

This processor will OC very well because the multiplier is unlocked. Most 2500ks will easily break 4ghz.

You can overclock graphics cards, but they are much harder and overclock far less than processors.

so what do you think i should do? because i don't think the company that im buying the parts from will OC the Graphics card- only the Processor- up to 4.7 Ghz i think.
striker410 said:
That is an excellent build. However, I would suggest getting GTX 460 1GB, as it's cheaper and 2GB offers no advantage in terms of performance at 1920x1080 or below. If the 2GB is cheaper that's fine.

-you'll need a bigger power supply, as the Seasonic 620w does not have the required connectors. Looks for something at 750w.

the company that i am buying it from is sort of like the cheapest i could find- and they dont have 1GB (if i remember correctly). now as for the 1920X1080- thats what i have right now, and i AM planning on increasing it someday.
about the Power supply- i will see what i can do, but i think its gonna cost me some...
Power supply- i found a 750W:
Seasonic 750W Active PFC 80MM 4*Sata 8-pin
it will cost me around 20$ more. is this one okay?

and what about the graphics card? are these 2 better (performance/price) then Radeon HD 5970?
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April 19, 2012 8:29:46 PM

The two GTX 460's are without a doubt a better bet than a 5970. Is newer tech available at the store? Could you perhaps grab a pair of GTX 560 ti's? It would be more expensive though.

You need a new power supply. Anything from Corsair, XFX, Seasonic, Silverstone, OCZ or PC Power and Cooling would be fine. You need 4 6-pin connectors. Looks like that Seasonic only has 2.
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April 19, 2012 8:33:04 PM

my last post- i described the 750W Seasonic power supply- is it good?
as for the 560- it would cast me around an extra 100$ to do that (both)
ill see what i can do.
BTW- the 2 560 will cost me slightly more then the 5970.
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April 19, 2012 11:36:18 PM

460's or 560's. Either will work. If you can't fit the 460's in your budget no sweat, GTX 460 SLI is still amazing.

That Seasonic PSU would be perfect.
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April 20, 2012 3:58:46 AM

last minute change...
i found out- that i dont REALLY need such a Processor. the reason is that most of what i am going to do- is gaming, and been told that 2500K VS 2310 wont be a difference in gaming.
is is true?
because i also dont know alot about OC, so i was suggested not to do that- so there is no way i will destroy anything.
with that- i also should change the Processor- and the cooling, since it wont get TOO hot.
what do you think? if you think this is true can you suggest me a good Processor and then a good Cooling?
The website of the company Processor list is:http://www.tm*s.co.i*l/cat/7*8
(no *)
not alot need to be translated. theres the name in english and pages, and the thing written in red in the menu is "See More"
site for Processor cooling is: http://w*ww.tms.*co.il/ca*t/107
(no *)
same thing to be translated there. only See more.
site for Graphics cards: http://ww*w.tms*.co.il/ca*t/50
(no *)
and site for Graphics car cooling: http://ww*w.tms*.co.il/ca*t/195
Cooling is in case there is no Built In.
now the reason i put Graphics card is because- if i wont pay that much for the Processor, i might go with the idea given here- to upgrade the two 460 to two 560.
it will cost me 50$ each, but maybe ill work it out.
just for you to know, is 560 SLI that much better then 5970? because it will cost nearly the same- + in this site you can see that there is not alot of difference between the two (460 2GB and 560 Ti) http://www*.hwcompare*.com/8870/geforce-gtx-460-2gb-vs-geforce-gtx-560-ti/
(no *)
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April 21, 2012 4:28:12 PM

^Bump^
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April 21, 2012 4:53:40 PM

I game on an i3 right now and don't have any issues since my 560Ti is my bottleneck. I can play most games on High (not Ultra) with AA/AAF on, which look a little better than Ultra with AA/AAF off.

There is actually a pretty big difference between a 460 and 560Ti (from 20-40% in that review), but SLI 460s are pretty damn good at 1920x1080 (used to own a pair). Together they'll be the same or better than a 560Ti. If you can get better for a decent price then go for it.
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April 21, 2012 5:37:42 PM

also- they are telling me that for the original build, the Power supply is just fine...
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April 21, 2012 5:53:21 PM

I ran a power-hungry CPU and 2x460s on a 650W, which is about where you want to be.

Also, you don't need to put (*)s in your links - just post them.
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April 22, 2012 12:45:03 AM

The comment I made about a bigger PSU was all about connectors. If the 620w has enough 6-pin PCI connectors, go for it. The one I found on newegg only had 2x6pin connectors, which is NOT enough for 460 SLI or 560 SLI.
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April 23, 2012 1:18:19 PM

by the way, you told me that this build- while not in israel would cost less. do you think you can tell me about how much it will cost? ($)
if my maximum Budget is around 1195$, (including Screen, keyboard, mouse, speakers and such). do you think you can find a better Build? (though the budget might be less- since Shipping cost.)
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April 23, 2012 2:57:24 PM

For the price, I think this build is excellent. Very high overclockability and performance for a low low price.
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April 23, 2012 4:04:39 PM

but do you think its possible to create better? since in Israel everything cost more (obvious reason) maybe if i can build a better computer or this build from the US or anywhere else that it is cheaper, then take it all to israel, it will be better/ cheaper. the thing is, with this build i am not that sure i have enough money for a good screen/monitor, since i want a screen at least as big as mine (21.5 i think) and i cant keep mine, (parents say if i buy a computer- i buy it all so they can use the other one, means they will need a monitor, means they will take the one i have right now)
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April 24, 2012 4:40:22 AM

^Bump^
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April 24, 2012 3:39:10 PM

No, I don't think I could built it significantly better. A 2500k and GTX 460/560 SLI is going to be about as good as it gets for $1200. Maybe change the GPU's to 7850s if possible but that's about it. Considering you need a screen/OS, we are doing pretty good on price.
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April 24, 2012 9:59:20 PM

you think i can get a better price from the US rather from Israel? cause here we pay more for that stuff- and if i buy from the US and i pay like 100$ extra to take it to here, it might cost me less.
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April 24, 2012 11:03:31 PM

I don't think so. The prices seem somewhat reasonable. You could save some money by getting the CPU and mobo somewhere else but that's about it. The GPUs are much cheaper than here in the US.
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April 24, 2012 11:09:56 PM

striker410 said:
The comment I made about a bigger PSU was all about connectors. If the 620w has enough 6-pin PCI connectors, go for it. The one I found on newegg only had 2x6pin connectors, which is NOT enough for 460 SLI or 560 SLI.

It depends on what kind of connectors the video card comes with and what connections the PSU has. Mine came with 2 molex to PCIe 6-pin connectors and my PSU happened to have just molex connectors.
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April 25, 2012 4:04:13 AM

another question-
1. in case i am not doing so much editing- or anything like that- i dont need such a strong CPU- right?
sombody gave me a build with a weaker CPU- but he said that i wont be able to OC it.
so how much will this affect gaming?
2. where can i find cheap monitors? i want one at least the size of mine- and all i find will make me reach to around extra 200$ or so.
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April 25, 2012 6:02:38 AM

i5-2500k is the best bang for buck for gaming. OCing doesn't affect gaming too much after 4.5 GHz, but it will help below that and is pretty simple to do. I would stick to 23" monitors as higher than that for 1080p will be above budget and will have low pixels per inch.
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April 25, 2012 8:38:48 AM

yeah- problem is 23" is still really expensive. over here the lowest price i can find for a 23" is this: http://www.tms.co.il/product/10836 and in USD that will be about 226$. i don't think i have a lot more to spend. i will try to find a cheaper one- but so far that is the cheapest i found.
*correction- i just found a 23" that cost around 190$. still a lot- but i am pretty sure that this one is the cheapest 23" in Israel- or at least thats what i found... the name of the monitor is "LCD 23" AOC E2343F". now since this one is the cheapest one, i don't think it is so great....
there is one more which is almost the same price- Horizon T2319 LCD.
The Horizon one is 16X10 and 2MS while the other one is 16X9, and 5MS. (less then 2$ difference)
are these any good?
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April 26, 2012 3:52:15 PM

^bump^
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April 28, 2012 8:39:15 PM

^up^ and if it will have low pixels per inch- will it be that low if i connect it to a TV? does an HDMI cable moves Audio and picture at the same time?
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April 28, 2012 8:41:28 PM

It will be even lower on a high-res HDTV at a big size.
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April 28, 2012 10:57:01 PM

why is that? isnt is supposed to be better if it is HD?
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April 28, 2012 10:59:05 PM

The balance between res and screen size is what truly matters. Just because a monitor is HD doesn't make it better in terms of pixperinch.
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April 28, 2012 11:00:44 PM

so what do i need to check in order to find out if it will be higher or lower?
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April 28, 2012 11:11:33 PM

The pixel per inch (ppi) count is literally what it sounds like - how many pixels in an inch on the display.

Anything rated for 1080p (TV or monitor) is 1920 pixels wide and 1080 pixels tall. Therefore, larger screen sizes (i.e. 32" vs 24") have a low ppi count since there are the same number of pixels over a longer width/height.

You'll find 1920x1080 displays from 23-27" (maybe some below?), but 23-24" is really the best spot. A lot of people say that 27" is not ideal for 1920x1080 and should be 2440x1600 (or whatever it is).
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April 28, 2012 11:13:42 PM

27" is 2560x1440 for IPS Panels. 30" is where you start to see 1920x1200 resolutions on a TN Panel. 30" on an IPS Panel is always going to be 2560x1600. :) 
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April 29, 2012 12:42:10 AM

That's what it was; I can never remember that resolution ;) 
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April 29, 2012 3:26:28 AM

Yeah, I was about to get a 2560x1440 Korean Monitor, but then my budget suddenly dropped to $250..
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April 29, 2012 4:28:41 AM

so if i got like 31.5" or so for my TV screen, what is the minimum? (yyyyXyyyy)
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April 29, 2012 4:29:23 AM

The minimum for any monitor can be 800x600.
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April 29, 2012 11:12:27 AM

No0BoT said:
so if i got like 31.5" or so for my TV screen, what is the minimum? (yyyyXyyyy)

The TV is most likely going to run at 1920x1080, so there's no way to increase that to get a better ppi count. If you run it below that, you get an even worse result because the PC will use several TV pixels for one big PC pixel (think older PC/console games with the big polygons).

Forgot to mention that TVs aren't always great monitors - there's generally more input lag, worse coloring (for PC related uses), they don't look good up close so you'll have to sit far away, etc.

It's a tight spot to be in; either spend the budget on the PC and get a better display later, or get the display now and the PC later...
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April 29, 2012 11:40:30 AM

so your telling me that my 21.5" monitor is probably looking better then my 31.5" tv screen?
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April 29, 2012 11:57:14 AM

Well, there's a better size/pixel balance and PC-oriented coloration. You can use a TV as a monitor, but it's far from optimized for PC use. It'd be like driving a truck on a racetrack: it's physically possible, but far from ideal even though it has a bigger engine than a car.
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April 29, 2012 12:29:36 PM

hmmmm Very nice image lol... problem is i don't have enough money... i could wait, and get a job (it would be hard to find a job since i'm 15) and maybe earn some money, but that would be only during Summer Vacation, not sure if they will still have all pieces... do you think i can replace some parts to get the same or close result in less price?
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April 29, 2012 1:54:17 PM

If you end up sticking with a lower-resolution display, I'd spend less on the PC since you don't need anything supreme to play at 1600x900 or 1680x1050, and then incrementally upgrade the hardware (i.e. better GPU + monitor, then CPU, etc) as you get more money.

You really just have to balance out what you purchase; otherwise you'll be entirely disappointed.
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April 29, 2012 4:03:02 PM

i will stick to the current Resolution i have. i will ask again what i asked before- there is no chance that i can get the parts cheaper from the US or EU?
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April 29, 2012 4:28:41 PM

Like I said above, the CPU and maybe motherboard is the only thing you can save on. The GPU and some other parts are actually cheaper where you are.
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April 29, 2012 4:29:31 PM

I mean you might be able to, but how would you get them to Israel? That'd be the truly expensive part since PC components aren't exactly light and you may have to pay customs/duties if you go to the US/EU and mail them from there. The only way to really know would be to shop around online and compare to what you can get there.
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April 29, 2012 5:59:58 PM

so the best way is to just start earning money until i can buy it?
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