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April 20, 2012 12:47:15 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: Next 2 Months

Budget Range: $1000-$1200 After Rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Music/Movies, Web browsing

Parts Not Required: Mouse, Monitor, Speakers, Headset

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.com

Country: United States

Parts Preferences:
Case: NZXT Crafted Series Tempest 410 Elite $79.99
HDD: Seagate 1TB $109.99
MOBO: ASRock Fatal1ty 990FX Professional $189.99
GPU: XFX HD-687X-CNFC Radeon HD 6870 2GB $219.99
PSU: NZXT HALE82 850W $139.99
RAM: CORSAIR XMS3 8GB $48.99
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 975 Black Edition $149.99
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium $99.99
CPU Cooler: CORSAIR H100 $114.99
LED Lights: NZXT CB-LED10-RD Sleeved LED Kit $22.99

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Yes

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: Would like to keep the case, if you can keep it AMD, Cheaper CPU for better GPUs. I want to keep the Red and Black theme and deffinately want Crossfire. If you have to change the MOBO i would prefer red/black. Feel free to change what you like, as long as you explain why you did it. Thanks, Also would like a closed watercooled loop, such as the H100

More about : 1000 1200 gaming

April 20, 2012 1:12:49 AM

To start, your budget would be wasted if you went with a AMD cpu. Also, at this point you are much better replacing that H100 with a higher end air cooler. That being said I'll put together a build for you.

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($184.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Tempest 410 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS70 OEM DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1188.90

If you want to get a upgrade on the GPU, you can get a 7870.
Just cut down the CPU cooler to a CM Hyper 212 EVO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
AND get a $50 case such as the Rosewill Challenger
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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April 20, 2012 1:39:16 AM

darkclownjoe said:
To start, your budget would be wasted if you went with a AMD cpu. Also, at this point you are much better replacing that H100 with a higher end air cooler. That being said I'll put together a build for you.

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 65.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($94.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($184.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Gigabyte HD 7850 2GB Video Card ($259.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT Tempest 410 Elite (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair 650W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS70 OEM DVD/CD Writer ($17.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1188.90



Any way we could do Dual GPUs if, we bump the total up a bit? And what would show a better performance the air cooler or the H100? because i like the Noctua but it's brown :/  and if it's not a really signifigant difference i'd rather pay more for something out of the way. Because i will have to look at it every day.
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April 20, 2012 1:41:50 AM

Get a Rasa kit over the H100.
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April 20, 2012 1:43:32 AM

azeem40 said:
Get a Rasa kit over the H100.


I would but the problem is, then i have to pay for tubing.. And theres the chance of leaks. I just feel more safe using a pre installed system.
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April 20, 2012 1:45:00 AM

wantfryswiddat said:
Any way we could do Dual GPUs if, we bump the total up a bit? And what would show a better performance the air cooler or the H100? because i like the Noctua but it's brown :/  and if it's not a really signifigant difference i'd rather pay more for something out of the way. Because i will have to look at it every day.

There is no point in getting dual GPUs right now. If you want dual GPUs get one down the line. (I chose a motherboard compatible with dual GPUs at x8 each.)

Also, if you really want to spend the extra bit of money on the H100 it's your choice. I chose the best price/performance ratio. Personally I'd rather have my rig be a complete beast than have matching colors. :p 
The Noctua D-14 (air) has nearly exact performance to the H100 (water), but the Noctua should be quieter.
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April 20, 2012 1:47:19 AM

darkclownjoe said:
There is no point in getting dual GPUs right now. If you want dual GPUs get one down the line. (I chose a motherboard compatible with dual GPUs at x8 each.)

Also, if you really want to spend the extra bit of money on the H100 it's your choice. I chose the best price/performance ratio. Personally I'd rather have my rig be a complete beast than have matching colors. :p 


How much better would the performance be? And it wouldn't matter so much, but i like the case and the window. Aesthetics are everything to me, it's an OCD thing.
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April 20, 2012 1:49:11 AM

The H100 is not much better than the D14 and it can also leak..
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April 20, 2012 1:50:51 AM

wantfryswiddat said:
How much better would the performance be? And it wouldn't matter so much, but i like the case and the window. Aesthetics are everything to me, it's an OCD thing.

Both of them have nearly exact performance varying by 2-4*C at load/idle temps.
But the Noctua is cheaper, and you can put the savings towards something else.
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April 20, 2012 1:53:48 AM

wantfryswiddat said:
Could you lower the price of the build a bit the darkclownjoe gave to me so I could SLI this card?

You may have to spend a bit more on the PSU aswell if you are hoping to SLI the 480s and OC your CPU.

I'd say go with my build, but chose the 7870 instead of the 7850.
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April 20, 2012 1:57:03 AM

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Sorry but, to SLi GTX 480's you will need a 800w minimum or 900 to be safe and that will add significant cost.

Agreed. The extra cost would negate the purpose of getting dual 480s. If you wanted to spend $400+ on a GPU, get the 7950.
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April 20, 2012 1:57:51 AM

darkclownjoe said:
You may have to spend a bit more on the PSU aswell if you are hoping to SLI the 480s and OC your CPU.

I'd say go with my build, but chose the 7870 instead of the 7850.



Would a 7870 be able to run AA at 45+ FPS on most games out today?
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April 20, 2012 1:59:04 AM

Just checked 7870 prices, for that i'll stick to one of the other two, which is better price per performance? I'll some more on a 850 if i need to.
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April 20, 2012 2:01:18 AM

wantfryswiddat said:
Would a 7870 be able to run AA at 45+ FPS on most games out today?

At 1080p, the 7870 should give you the performance you want on most games. It should average ~45 FPS on BF3 with 4xAA and 16xAF. Which games are you planning to play?

Here are some benchmarks from different sites.
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1427/pg1/amd-rade...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7870-revi...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-radeon-hd-7850-and-78...
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April 20, 2012 2:03:20 AM

darkclownjoe said:
At 1080p, the 7870 should give you the performance you want on most games. Which games are you planning to play?



BF3 a little COD mostly FPS, a little Racing. And some MMO
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April 20, 2012 2:06:26 AM

wantfryswiddat said:
Even though Wattage is a bit higher, the performance is great, unless theres a reason why i shouldn't get this card. I think i'll be choosing the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you wanted to SLI in the future you'd need to get a different power supply. (more expensive)
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April 20, 2012 2:14:46 AM

darkclownjoe said:
If you wanted to SLI in the future you'd need to get a different power supply. (more expensive)


If i get this MOBO http://bit.ly/jdMxRu What differences would there be, anything noticeable? I could save the extra money and put it into a bigger PSU but that'd be down the road. So which should i choose?
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April 20, 2012 2:16:35 AM

wantfryswiddat said:
If i get this MOBO http://bit.ly/jdMxRu What differences would there be, anything noticeable? I could save the extra money and put it into a bigger PSU but that'd be down the road. So which should i choose?

That would work. You can even go with the Extreme3 Gen3. It will be the same for CF/SLI.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I'll redo my build cutting down unnecessary extras.
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April 20, 2012 2:30:17 AM

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H80/H100


What cooler do you use?
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April 20, 2012 2:30:27 AM

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($121.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS70 OEM DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1195.90
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April 20, 2012 2:32:01 AM

wantfryswiddat said:
I've decided to go for Liquid cooling, does anyone know what the best pre assembled unit is?

Are you sticking to the $1200 budget and still going for Liquid cooling?
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April 20, 2012 2:33:38 AM

Ivy Bridge is due to be released this April 29th.

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Carbide-Series-Gaming-Com... $90.98 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Corsair Carbide Series 400R Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case - CC-9011011-WW

http://www.corsair.com/pc-cases/carbide-series-pc-case/... <----- a better look at that case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $89.99 - $64.99 after mail-in rebate card FREE SHIPPING
OCZ ZS Series 750W 80PLUS Bronze High Performance Power Supply compatible with Intel Sandy Bridge Core i3 i5 i7 and AMD Phenom

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $134.99
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.us.asp?Model=Z77%20Ex... <----- a better look at that board

http://www.guru3d.com/news/intel-ivy-bridge-gets-prelau... $212 USD
Intel Ivy Bridge i5 3750K 3.4Ghz

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-RR-212E-2... $34.29 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler (RR-212E-20PK-R2)

Add this fan down below to that CM 212 EVO cpu cooler up above for a "push - pull" affect to bring cpu temps down even more.

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-BladeMaster-Silent-... $11.06 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Cooler Master BladeMaster 120mm PWM High Air Flow Silent Case Fan R4-BMBS-20PK-R0

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $44.99 FREE SHIPPING
G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-8GAB

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-3-5-Inch-Intern... $99.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Seagate Barracuda 7200 1 TB 7200RPM SATA 6 Gb/s NCQ 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive ST1000DM003

http://www.amazon.com/Asus-24xDVD-RW-Serial-Internal-DR... $17.99 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Asus 24xDVD-RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive DRW-24B1ST (Black)

http://www.amazon.com/HD7870-DC2-2GD5-DisplayPort-Utili... $349.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
ASUS HD7870-DC2-2GD5 Radeon 2GB DDR5 VGA/DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort GPU Tweak Utilities PCI-Express 3.0 Graphics Card HD7870-DC2-2GD5

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7870_Direct_... <----- Review with benchmarks for that Asus 7870

http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-64bit-System-Buil... $99.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit (Full) System Builder DVD 1 Pack

Total: $1,141.71 *not including shipping and mail in rebates


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $109.99 FREE SHIPPING
ADATA S510 Series AS510S3-120GM-O 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - OEM
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April 20, 2012 2:35:23 AM

darkclownjoe said:
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($219.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($34.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($121.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 7950 3GB Video Card ($399.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Rosewill CHALLENGER Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS70 OEM DVD/CD Writer ($16.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1195.90


Would it be more efficient if I got this PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and the Asus 480?
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April 20, 2012 2:39:42 AM

Why_Me said:
Ivy Bridge is due to be released this April 29th.

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Carbide-Series-Gaming-Com... $90.98 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Corsair Carbide Series 400R Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case - CC-9011011-WW

http://www.corsair.com/pc-cases/carbide-series-pc-case/... <----- a better look at that case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $89.99 - $64.99 after mail-in rebate card FREE SHIPPING
OCZ ZS Series 750W 80PLUS Bronze High Performance Power Supply compatible with Intel Sandy Bridge Core i3 i5 i7 and AMD Phenom

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $134.99
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.us.asp?Model=Z77%20Ex... <----- a better look at that board

http://www.guru3d.com/news/intel-ivy-bridge-gets-prelau... $212 USD
Intel Ivy Bridge i5 3750K 3.4Ghz

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-RR-212E-2... $34.29 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler (RR-212E-20PK-R2)

Add this fan down below to that CM 212 EVO cpu cooler up above for a "push - pull" affect to bring cpu temps down even more.

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-BladeMaster-Silent-... $11.06 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Cooler Master BladeMaster 120mm PWM High Air Flow Silent Case Fan R4-BMBS-20PK-R0

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $44.99 FREE SHIPPING
G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-8GAB

http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-3-5-Inch-Intern... $99.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Seagate Barracuda 7200 1 TB 7200RPM SATA 6 Gb/s NCQ 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive ST1000DM003

http://www.amazon.com/Asus-24xDVD-RW-Serial-Internal-DR... $17.99 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Asus 24xDVD-RW Serial ATA Internal OEM Drive DRW-24B1ST (Black)

http://www.amazon.com/HD7870-DC2-2GD5-DisplayPort-Utili... $349.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
ASUS HD7870-DC2-2GD5 Radeon 2GB DDR5 VGA/DVI/HDMI/DisplayPort GPU Tweak Utilities PCI-Express 3.0 Graphics Card HD7870-DC2-2GD5

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7870_Direct_... <----- Review with benchmarks for that Asus 7870

http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Premium-64bit-System-Buil... $99.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64bit (Full) System Builder DVD 1 Pack

Total: $1,141.71 *not including shipping and mail in rebates


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $109.99 FREE SHIPPING
ADATA S510 Series AS510S3-120GM-O 2.5" 120GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - OEM


Is that price including the SSD? Could i get a 480 instead to drop the price? Or would the 7870 Be more efficient?
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April 20, 2012 2:43:28 AM

wantfryswiddat said:
Would it be more efficient if I got this PSU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and the Asus 480?

I changed the graphics card to 7950, and upgraded the PSU to leave room for CF 7950s. The VRam (3GB) should fare better especially for games like BF3 and Skyrim.
I would definitely go with the last build I posted over the 480. Much better performance, quieter, and less power consumption.
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April 20, 2012 2:45:18 AM

darkclownjoe said:
I changed the graphics card to 7950, and upgraded the PSU to leave room for CF 7950s. The VRam (3GB) should fare better especially for games like BF3 and Skyrim.
I would definitely go with the last build I posted over the 480. Much better performance, quieter, and less power consumption.


Would an 850 W benefit me at all if i did crossfire?
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April 20, 2012 2:49:40 AM

wantfryswiddat said:
Would an 850 W benefit me at all if i did crossfire?

Nope. The newer models are more power efficient so a solid 750W PSU is more than enough. You could even go with a 650W, but 750W just gives you some extra room.
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April 20, 2012 2:51:19 AM

I could also always get a 3570k when it comes out, it'll be $212
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April 20, 2012 2:53:20 AM

wantfryswiddat said:
Is that price including the SSD? Could i get a 480 instead to drop the price? Or would the 7870 Be more efficient?

Nobody is purchasing the 480 these days. That's old tech.

Ivy Bridge cpu + Z77 board + new generation card (AMD 7xxx series Nvidia 6xx series) = PCI-E 3.0

Read the review that I linked underneath that card (Asus 7870). It's in that build I posted.
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April 20, 2012 3:03:56 AM

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It is not about if it is old tech or new.
The 480 performs close to the 7870 and outperforms it for alot less money.


And it's $399.99, i could save quite a bit by getting a 480.
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April 20, 2012 3:04:55 AM

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It is not about if it is old tech or new.
The 480 performs close to the 7870 and outperforms it for alot less money.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/HD_7870_Direct_... <------ Look at the power that card uses, it's temps and it's benchmarks. And then click on the page where it's over clocked and look at the benchmarks along with power & heat. That's probably the best card on the market atm for price point in regards to performance.
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April 20, 2012 3:06:09 AM

wantfryswiddat said:
And it's $399.99, i could save quite a bit by getting a 480.

Are you in Australia? Because the link I posted at amazon shows the card for $349.99 + free shipping.
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April 20, 2012 3:08:38 AM

Why_Me said:
Are you in Australia? Because the link I posted at amazon shows the card for $349.99 + free shipping.


My bad, i was looking at the 7950 which is $399.99 for 3gbs
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April 20, 2012 3:09:49 AM

wantfryswiddat said:
And it's $399.99, i could save quite a bit by getting a 480.

The 7950 is $399.
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April 20, 2012 3:11:06 AM

darkclownjoe said:
The 7950 is $399.

Forget the 7950. The 7870 will mop the floor with that card with a simple over clock that takes all of a few minutes.
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April 20, 2012 3:12:36 AM

Why_Me said:
Forget the 7950. The 7870 will mop the floor with that card with a simple over clock that takes all of a few minutes.

You can OC the 7950 too.
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April 20, 2012 3:16:00 AM

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You saw my videos, you make the decision.
The 480 mops the floor with BF3 at ultra with AA as proven.


Would i need to OC the 480, or are the speeds good as they are?
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April 20, 2012 3:16:25 AM

wantfryswiddat said:
I'm stuck between this, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... and a 480. Could a 2 GB card do AA above 45+ FPS on BF3?

Go with the 7950 with 3GB Vram. It will have less heat/noise/power consumption. Not to mention it beats the 480 in most head to head situations.

With BF3 @ 1080p, you can expect 55-60FPS.
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April 20, 2012 3:23:23 AM

wantfryswiddat said:
Here's what i have right now, If anyone sees any problems other than the GPU which i'm sticking with, please let me know. I'f go for a better one. But i'm on a budget and can always upgrade later. https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.as...

Can't see the wishlist. Just write down or C/P all the parts.
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April 20, 2012 3:32:47 AM

Well than that'll save me a few more bucks if i don't need a new PSU, but i might get one later on just to be safe.
Later on i definately plan on doing SLI, and for the price of the GPU it won't matter about the PSU price then, because i won't be working around a budget a few months after this is built.
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April 20, 2012 3:35:16 AM

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Fair enough ;) 
By then 480's may be even cheaper.

If the 480's are so good, why aren't they expensive, is it because they are an older card?
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