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April 20, 2012 1:03:17 AM

hi guys , i am upgrading my old junk to a new Build , and these are what i've chosen ,

EDIT - FIXED LINKS & updated Built , added PSU

my bad , i had to refix it to do the list, and add things i dont need , cause i just need those listed
i have everything else, dvd room , keyboard, mouse etc ,

my Choice bUilt Below :


Approximate Purchase Date:today or tomorrow ( the sooner i get answers)

Budget Range:300-450
System Usage from Most to Least Important: Everyday Gaming, Not Hardcore gaming or Endgame gaming , just normal settings or high

Parts Not Required:keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS , Hard Drive, DVD Room..
Just need the ones Below.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com , Tigerdirect.com

Country: U.S

Parts Preferences:
case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPu - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=19-103-...
-
MoBo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ram - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Overclocking:Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: No
Monitor Resolution:

Additional Comments: I Just NEed THOSE LISTED , i have WIndows7 64 bit cd, 1tb harddrive and a ssd of 320gb also , so i dont need anything else , JUST That Built above.

also to help you answer or comment, i am not a End game Gamer, i am average, i don't play much games in Ultra high, my brother already has a Build and we compared to this one but i just wanna Get also approvement of more than just us.
April 20, 2012 1:15:23 AM

I'd wait for Intel's new CPU line launch on Monday. But if you can't wait, I'll get to reviewing this...

Did you just have a thread that got deleted? Because I typed A BUNCH there and it all got wasted when I tried to submit to a nonexistant thread.
April 20, 2012 1:17:32 AM

yeah im desperate, review it please
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April 20, 2012 1:27:00 AM

Yep, that was your other thread. So I'll some it up and not provide you nearly as much backup info.

Case: Save yourself $15 and get a Thermaltake V3 when it goes on sale for $35. Spend the extra money on your graphics.

CPU: Buy a used Phenom II x4 955BE for cheaper for the same performance. Or go to Micro Center and get a Phenom II x4 960T w/ ASRock 970 Extreme4 AM3+ for $160: http://www.microcenter.com/specials/promotions/AMDbundl...

Mobo: Not bad. The combo above is better.

GPU: AIM higher. Post a classifieds thread titled "[WTB] Graphics card for $100" and see what the best you can get is. You should be able to get a 6850. Refer to this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...
A 6850 is "midrange gaming". You want something at least around that level to see games how they're supposed to look. Otherwise, you'll be stuck on weird low/very low/windowed mode settings. It won't max out any graphically intensive newer games though. Or you could spend $130 and get a 6870 NEW or $150 for a GTX 560Ti. I'd do that.

RAM: I'd try to squeeze a $45 8GB kit in. If you can't afford that, then save $5 and get a single 4GB 1600CL9 stick for $25: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It'll be easy to find a similar stick to match it with for running in dual channel when you find $20 down the line.

PSU: Buy an Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, or XFX PSU ONLY. Get a Corsair CX430 when it goes on sale for $16.

Overclocking: Unlock to hexaore or overclock to 3.6GHz immediately. When you get some cash, buy a Hyper 212+ when it goes on sale for $18.
Anonymous
April 20, 2012 1:29:00 AM

No no no no no. Do NOT just say one compan is better than another. The i3 provides much much better performance.
Take a look at this guide.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

As for the psu. You don't look at the watts you look at the amps. There's only 2 amp difference and quality is very important in a psu. More important than power. I highly recommend going with the seasonic.
April 20, 2012 1:29:21 AM

franzyx said:
i like the Mobo , but the PSu i listed has a higher watt and the Zambezi is pretty guud CPU , it wuld handle games better i'll say , and according to my brother AMD is built in more for gaming
Quality matters much for the PSU than *claimed* wattage. I talked about this more in the other thread that got wasted. Here, read this to get an idea of what I'm talking about: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&fil...

Zambezi is pretty bad, as far as architectures go. Sandy bridge is hands-down better. That said, a Phenom II x4 or FX-4100 still hold their own just fine in gaming.

Do you have a Micro Center nearby?

EDIT: If you can't get an AMD build cheaper, an i3-2100 build w/ Z68 is a better buy if the price is the same. But I'd wait for Ivy Bridge to launch on April 23rd to make a purchase.
April 20, 2012 1:30:36 AM

Quote:
No no no no no. Do NOT just say one brand is better than another. The i3 provides much much better performance.
Take a look at this guide.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-o...

As for the psu. You don't look at the watts you look at the amps. There's only 2 amp difference and quality is very important in a psu. More important than power. I highly recommend going with the seasonic.
While Seasonic is awesome, a $70 PSU is well out of the price range of a $400 build. How about a CX430: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GL...

EDIT: Link 75% fixed (revision 6 of this edit).
Anonymous
April 20, 2012 1:33:00 AM

dalauder said:
While Seasonic is awesome, a $70 PSU is well out of the price range of a $400 build. How about a CX430: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

Its $60. The budget is to $450. Broken link. :p  @OP That psu is cheaper and good also.

Edit: False. The link may be just me but idk. I get 403 forbidden.
April 20, 2012 1:44:55 AM

so the combo of the Mobo and the cpu

CPU - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

Mobo - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...




and to choose the

CORSAIR psu instead - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... .

but the case u suggested has less fans , the other 1 brings 4 fans with 3 speed options , which wuld not let the heatsink heat up , or other stuff as much ,which is better , ill say.

& the ram , when they're both the same it wuld go turbo , and 4gb is fine , i dont use up 4 , never have.

what about the GPU though , is it ok , or shuld i replace that also ? any suggestion ,

i replaced the CPU , MOBO and PSU , for what u guys have suggested that is better, and now i agree also , but not the ram, i dont use more than 4 , and the case i listed has a better cooling system, , buying the other case and adding fans wuld end up costing more than the 1 i listed.
April 20, 2012 1:48:09 AM

franzyx said:
hi guys , i am upgrading my old junk to a new Build , and these are what i've chosen ,

EDIT - FIXED LINKS & updated Built , added PSU

my bad , i had to refix it to do the list, and add things i dont need , cause i just need those listed
i have everything else, dvd room , keyboard, mouse etc ,

my Choice bUilt Below :


Approximate Purchase Date:today or tomorrow ( the sooner i get answers)

Budget Range:300-450
System Usage from Most to Least Important: Everyday Gaming, Not Hardcore gaming or Endgame gaming , just normal settings or high

Parts Not Required:keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS , Hard Drive, DVD Room..
Just need the ones Below.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com , Tigerdirect.com

Country: U.S

Parts Preferences:
case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPu - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=19-103-...
-
MoBo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ram - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Overclocking:Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: No
Monitor Resolution:

Additional Comments: I Just NEed THOSE LISTED , i have WIndows7 64 bit cd, 1tb harddrive and a ssd of 320gb also , so i dont need anything else , JUST That Built above.

also to help you answer or comment, i am not a End game Gamer, i am average, i don't play much games in Ultra high, my brother already has a Build and we compared to this one but i just wanna Get also approvement of more than just us.



So I figured it out go with fx 4100

the corsair gs 600 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Radeon HD 6870 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Use your ram and your mother board you picked and it comes out to a total of 445$ and with the 6870 you can play all of your games maxed out its is 100 times better
April 20, 2012 1:51:14 AM

franzyx said:
so the combo of the Mobo and the cpu

CPU - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

Mobo - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...




and to choose the

CORSAIR psu instead - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... .

but the case u suggested has less fans , the other 1 brings 4 fans with 3 speed options , which wuld not let the heatsink heat up , or other stuff as much ,which is better , ill say.

& the ram , when they're both the same it wuld go turbo , and 4gb is fine , i dont use up 4 , never have.

what about the GPU though , is it ok , or shuld i replace that also ? any suggestion ,

i replaced the CPU , MOBO and PSU , for what u guys have suggested that is better, and now i agree also , but not the ram, i dont use more than 4 , and the case i listed has a better cooling system, , buying the other case and adding fans wuld end up costing more than the 1 i listed.




That psu will not do for gaming rig. A gaming rig should have 12v@40 amps and that has a lot less you need to go with the gs 600
April 20, 2012 1:51:18 AM

4GB is fine for gaming nowdays in every game except Battlefield 3. In 2 years, you'll want 8GB for more games or plenty of tasks. But your choice is just fine.

The Antec 300 Illusion is a better case. But if you're not a hardcore overclocker, you'll never encounter much of benefits over the Thermaltake V3. And you can always add fans for $2 each.

The 5670 is pretty bad. You should get something stronger. No modern games are playable fullscreen on decent settings with that card.
April 20, 2012 1:52:16 AM

pfunkmd said:
That psu will not do for gaming rig. A gaming rig should have 12v@40 amps and that has a lot less you need to go with the gs 600
What's that based on?

EDITS: Because this indicates a CX430 would be more than adequate for an i7-920 + 6870: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-revie...
Keep in mind that 295W number is "from the wall". With an 85% efficient unit, we could call that power draw 250W, which is way below the capacity of the CX430.

And the ~141W graphics draw is below the 6-pin (75W) + PCIe (75W) capacity the PSU already delivers prior to adding an extra 4-pin to 6-pin molex connector.

I wouldn't recommend this PSU for an i7-920 @ 4.0GHz and 6870 that you manually OC. But his system should do great with it.
April 20, 2012 1:59:24 AM

PSU is extremely important. Make sure you buy a tier 1 or 2 PSU from the following page: http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

when it comes to PSU the brand/quality means more than wattage. If you buy a tier 1 or tier 2 PSU whose power rating meets your requirements your 12V rail amperage will most likely more than sufficient and this is what really matters.

Corsair CX series is probably fine but I usually go with at least the TX series. CX is a tier 3 PSU. I like Corsair PSU's but have only ever dealt with the TX, TXM, HX and AX lines. AX is the best, HX is in between TX and AX. CX is slightly less (reliable, quality) than TX.
April 20, 2012 2:02:16 AM

fixed links

ill work on the gpu later
April 20, 2012 2:23:33 AM

Quote:
No the other is good enough for you.


No its not I have 2 video cards and both recommend a minimum of 12v@40a. plus if he starts overclocking the 450 is to small. No offence but I am pretty sure Asus knows better about the power requirements of the cards than you and it states it on both of my asus boxes the 6870 and the 6850. And why would you want to get a psu that leaves no room for upgrade.

+3.3V@20A, +5V@20A, +12V@28A, -12V@0.8A, +5VSB@3.0A this is from the cx 430 12v@28 amp is not enough for sure.


+3.3V@25A, +5V@25A, +12V@40A, -12V@0.8A, +5VSB@3.0A this is the specs from the cx 600 and you can see it has the minimum recommended amps for the 6870 and 6850 and that is 12v@40@. If you do some research you will find that its the amps that are important not the watts. If you look around at all of the good psu's you will see that they are all over 40amps for the 12 volt. Not saying that the corsair you picked is a bad psu its just small for gaming rig.


Anonymous
April 20, 2012 2:31:13 AM

pfunkmd said:
No its not I have 2 video cards and both recommend a minimum of 12v@40a. plus if he starts overclocking the 450 is to small. No offence but I am pretty sure Asus knows better about the power requirements of the cards than you and it states it on both of my asus boxes the 6870 and the 6850. And why would you want to get a psu that leaves no room for upgrade.

+3.3V@20A, +5V@20A, +12V@28A, -12V@0.8A, +5VSB@3.0A this is from the cx 430 12v@28 amp is not enough for sure.


+3.3V@25A, +5V@25A, +12V@40A, -12V@0.8A, +5VSB@3.0A this is the specs from the cx 600 and you can see it has the minimum recommended amps for the 6870 and 6850 and that is 12v@40@. If you do some research you will find that its the amps that are important not the watts. If you look around at all of the good psu's you will see that they are all over 40amps for the 12 volt. Not saying that the corsair you picked is a bad psu its just small for gaming rig.


You haven't read the thread have you.
April 20, 2012 3:56:08 AM

pfunkmd said:
No offence but I am pretty sure Asus knows better about the power requirements of the cards than you and it states it on both of my asus boxes the 6870 and the 6850. And why would you want to get a psu that leaves no room for upgrade.

+3.3V@20A, +5V@20A, +12V@28A, -12V@0.8A, +5VSB@3.0A this is from the cx 430 12v@28 amp is not enough for sure.


+3.3V@25A, +5V@25A, +12V@40A, -12V@0.8A, +5VSB@3.0A this is the specs from the cx 600 and you can see it has the minimum recommended amps for the 6870 and 6850 and that is 12v@40@. If you do some research you will find that its the amps that are important not the watts. If you look around at all of the good psu's you will see that they are all over 40amps for the 12 volt. Not saying that the corsair you picked is a bad psu its just small for gaming rig.
Although a CX430 is small for a gaming rig, $400 is cheap for a gaming rig. That necessitates picking a PSU that cannot accommodate future graphics cards that have more than ~180W power draw (I'll demonstrate 186W in a minute). Conveniently, that actually includes the 7850 and 7870, so you can assume there will be plenty of choices in the Radeon's 7000, GeForce 600, or future series will stay within that power envelope.

Asus knows A LOT about power supplies. They also know that a bunch of people are going to hook up their cards to Logisys PSU's. And when they know that, they make ridiculous power suggestions so that nobody uses a Logisys 575W PSU that only has 25A on the +12V rail like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Back to power draw. I'm fully away of the Wattage/Amperage thing. Turns out the physics principle behind it is P=VA. That is, the power draw (P) divided by the Amperage (A), will give you the Voltage (V) requirement. Considering we all know the GPUs are drawing from the +12V rail, we can assume the 141W 6870 real-world power usage is 141W/12V = 12A.

A Phenom II x4 @ 4.0GHz really only will use about 150W during LinX. Assuming you run Furmark on the GPU and LinX at the same time, your power usage will hit 150W+150W on the +12V rail. And the motherboard and peripherials draw a lot of their power on the 3.3V rail & 5V rail, so we can pretty much ignore those components. So 300W MAX usage--that's consistent with the benchmark I linked earlier and generous on power draw. Now a Corsair CX430 provides 28A on the +12V rail. How many Watts is that? 12V x 28A = 336W. So we're only at 90% capacity when we're running torture tests on multiple components at the same time.

And both Hardwaresecrets and Johnnyguru verify this PSU can provide 100% of it's rated power, so claiming it can provide 90% during a torture test isn't the slightest bit of a stretch.


Anyhow, that's my logic behind the CX430.

EDIT: Oh, and 336W - 150W (CPU) = 186W for GPU that I mentioned earlier.
April 20, 2012 4:03:38 AM

OP, I'd go cheaper on the case and decide the GPU first, if I were you. Then again, I'd also wait for Ivy Bridge to release next week.

Quite frankly, none of the components you're looking at are on sale (okay, Micro Center components are a pretty great price). Since you're on so tight of a budget, I'd wait to buy until specific components go on sale.
April 20, 2012 4:52:04 AM

franzyx said:
i updated GPU to this 1 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That's actually a downgrade: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-car...

The 6670 is actually just a rebadged 5670. The difference between your original 5670 and that one was the GDDR5 and the 6670 has DDR3, which is gonna give you roughly 60% the memory bandwidth.

I'd pay $10 more for the Radeon HD 5750: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The 5750 gives about an 31% improvement on average: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5670,2533...
The actual performance difference will vary with the game. Like I said earlier, I'd buy a used card.
April 20, 2012 5:05:31 AM

Here's the slippery slope of $10 more for a 5770: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The 5770 is the minimum card that I'd call a legitimate gaming card. Anything lower is to answer the question, "If I have to game, can I?" with a "Yes".

EDIT: If you get a bit out of control on graphics...the 6870 when it's on sale for $130 is the best bargain out there. It gets about 210% of the performance of the 5750.
April 20, 2012 4:38:03 PM

i think im late i already ordered
should i send the GPU back when i get it and pay the penalty of restocking fees?

edit:

never mind i voided the whole order
April 20, 2012 5:02:40 PM

Ok I think im ready to reorder

if i choose this card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

can i still keep the same PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
??

Edit : this Psu wuld be better ,550W , v2.3 , with that XFX HD-677X-ZNLC Radeon HD 6770 ?

PSU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... ,


Maximum Power: 500 W
Compliance with the newest Intel standard ATX 12V V2.3
PFC (Power Factor Correction): Active PFC
Fan: Sleeve bearing 120mm fan
Connectors: 1x 20+4 pin Motherboard Connector; 1x 4+4pin 12V CPU Connector; 2x 6+2pin PCI-Express Connectors; 6x SATA Connectors; 3x 4pin Peripheral Connectors; 1x 4pin Floppy Connectors

*Note- not buying on Newegg*
April 22, 2012 4:36:11 AM

You got me worried there for a bit. I'm glad to hear you canceled the order.

The Cooler Master PSU really isn't an upgrade. It's probably worse in nearly every way (price, power, reliability, clean power output). Stick to Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, or XFX.

The CX430 will handle a 6770 with ease. I think you'll be very happy with that choice. For $20, you go from a system that can play some games, but only new games in windowed mode on low to a computer that can play all games fullscreen and everything but the most demanding ones on medium or higher.

Generally I hate link hwcompare because it is misleading, but these benchmarks do show the story of the graphics difference between a 5670 and 6770 pretty well (a 53% improvement): http://www.hwcompare.com/107/radeon-hd-5670-vs-radeon-h...

The biggest difference is in the quantity of games that the 5770 (6770) makes playable. Btw, the 6770 is a rebadged 5770. You can crossfire the two together, if that ever comes up.
April 24, 2012 10:17:00 PM

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