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hi guys , i am upgrading my old junk to a new Build , and these are what i've chosen ,

EDIT - FIXED LINKS & updated Built , added PSU
my bad , i had to refix it to do the list, and add things i dont need , cause i just need those listed
i have everything else, dvd room , keyboard, mouse etc ,

my Choice bUilt Below :


Approximate Purchase Date:today or tomorrow ( the sooner i get answers)

Budget Range:300-450
System Usage from Most to Least Important: Everyday Gaming, Not Hardcore gaming or Endgame gaming , just normal settings or high

Parts Not Required:keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS , Hard Drive, DVD Room..
Just need the ones Below.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com , Tigerdirect.com

Country: U.S

Parts Preferences:
case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066

CPu - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=19-103-996&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=2#scrollFullInfo
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MoBo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130637

GPU - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161334

ram - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277

PSU - http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5079834&Sku=C283-2060&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&AffiliateID=iFudSkud_Rc-FhbljHiMUH5XeYgnJnTTeQ

Overclocking:Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: No
Monitor Resolution:

Additional Comments: I Just NEed THOSE LISTED , i have WIndows7 64 bit cd, 1tb harddrive and a ssd of 320gb also , so i dont need anything else , JUST That Built above.

also to help you answer or comment, i am not a End game Gamer, i am average, i don't play much games in Ultra high, my brother already has a Build and we compared to this one but i just wanna Get also approvement of more than just us.
 
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I'd wait for Intel's new CPU line launch on Monday. But if you can't wait, I'll get to reviewing this...

Did you just have a thread that got deleted? Because I typed A BUNCH there and it all got wasted when I tried to submit to a nonexistant thread.
 
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Yep, that was your other thread. So I'll some it up and not provide you nearly as much backup info.

Case: Save yourself $15 and get a Thermaltake V3 when it goes on sale for $35. Spend the extra money on your graphics.

CPU: Buy a used Phenom II x4 955BE for cheaper for the same performance. Or go to Micro Center and get a Phenom II x4 960T w/ ASRock 970 Extreme4 AM3+ for $160: http://www.microcenter.com/specials/promotions/AMDbundlePROMO.html

Mobo: Not bad. The combo above is better.

GPU: AIM higher. Post a classifieds thread titled "[WTB] Graphics card for $100" and see what the best you can get is. You should be able to get a 6850. Refer to this: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-graphics-card-review,3107-7.html
A 6850 is "midrange gaming". You want something at least around that level to see games how they're supposed to look. Otherwise, you'll be stuck on weird low/very low/windowed mode settings. It won't max out any graphically intensive newer games though. Or you could spend $130 and get a 6870 NEW or $150 for a GTX 560Ti. I'd do that.

RAM: I'd try to squeeze a $45 8GB kit in. If you can't afford that, then save $5 and get a single 4GB 1600CL9 stick for $25: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226190
It'll be easy to find a similar stick to match it with for running in dual channel when you find $20 down the line.

PSU: Buy an Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, or XFX PSU ONLY. Get a Corsair CX430 when it goes on sale for $16.

Overclocking: Unlock to hexaore or overclock to 3.6GHz immediately. When you get some cash, buy a Hyper 212+ when it goes on sale for $18.
 
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Quality matters much for the PSU than *claimed* wattage. I talked about this more in the other thread that got wasted. Here, read this to get an idea of what I'm talking about: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&file=print&reid=204

Zambezi is pretty bad, as far as architectures go. Sandy bridge is hands-down better. That said, a Phenom II x4 or FX-4100 still hold their own just fine in gaming.

Do you have a Micro Center nearby?

EDIT: If you can't get an AMD build cheaper, an i3-2100 build w/ Z68 is a better buy if the price is the same. But I'd wait for Ivy Bridge to launch on April 23rd to make a purchase.
 
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No no no no no. Do NOT just say one brand is better than another. The i3 provides much much better performance.
Take a look at this guide.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-5.html

As for the psu. You don't look at the watts you look at the amps. There's only 2 amp difference and quality is very important in a psu. More important than power. I highly recommend going with the seasonic.
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While Seasonic is awesome, a $70 PSU is well out of the price range of a $400 build. How about a CX430: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:GLSvfIw58ygJ:www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php%3Fname%3DNDReviews%26op%3DStory%26reid%3D239+corsair+cx430+v2&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk

EDIT: Link 75% fixed (revision 6 of this edit).
 
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Its $60. The budget is to $450. [strike]Broken link.[/strike] :p @OP That psu is cheaper and good also.

Edit: False. The link may be just me but idk. I get 403 forbidden.
 
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so the combo of the Mobo and the cpu

CPU - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0382790

Mobo - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0382952




and to choose the

CORSAIR psu instead - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026&Tpk=Corsair%20CX430 .

but the case u suggested has less fans , the other 1 brings 4 fans with 3 speed options , which wuld not let the heatsink heat up , or other stuff as much ,which is better , ill say.

& the ram , when they're both the same it wuld go turbo , and 4gb is fine , i dont use up 4 , never have.

what about the GPU though , is it ok , or shuld i replace that also ? any suggestion ,

i replaced the CPU , MOBO and PSU , for what u guys have suggested that is better, and now i agree also , but not the ram, i dont use more than 4 , and the case i listed has a better cooling system, , buying the other case and adding fans wuld end up costing more than the 1 i listed.
 
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So I figured it out go with fx 4100

the corsair gs 600 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028

Radeon HD 6870 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161389

Use your ram and your mother board you picked and it comes out to a total of 445$ and with the 6870 you can play all of your games maxed out its is 100 times better
 
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That psu will not do for gaming rig. A gaming rig should have 12v@40 amps and that has a lot less you need to go with the gs 600
 
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4GB is fine for gaming nowdays in every game except Battlefield 3. In 2 years, you'll want 8GB for more games or plenty of tasks. But your choice is just fine.

The Antec 300 Illusion is a better case. But if you're not a hardcore overclocker, you'll never encounter much of benefits over the Thermaltake V3. And you can always add fans for $2 each.

The 5670 is pretty bad. You should get something stronger. No modern games are playable fullscreen on decent settings with that card.
 
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What's that based on?

EDITS: Because this indicates a CX430 would be more than adequate for an i7-920 + 6870: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-review/10
Keep in mind that 295W number is "from the wall". With an 85% efficient unit, we could call that power draw 250W, which is way below the capacity of the CX430.

And the ~141W graphics draw is below the 6-pin (75W) + PCIe (75W) capacity the PSU already delivers prior to adding an extra 4-pin to 6-pin molex connector.

I wouldn't recommend this PSU for an i7-920 @ 4.0GHz and 6870 that you manually OC. But his system should do great with it.
 
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PSU is extremely important. Make sure you buy a tier 1 or 2 PSU from the following page: http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

when it comes to PSU the brand/quality means more than wattage. If you buy a tier 1 or tier 2 PSU whose power rating meets your requirements your 12V rail amperage will most likely more than sufficient and this is what really matters.

Corsair CX series is probably fine but I usually go with at least the TX series. CX is a tier 3 PSU. I like Corsair PSU's but have only ever dealt with the TX, TXM, HX and AX lines. AX is the best, HX is in between TX and AX. CX is slightly less (reliable, quality) than TX.
 
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Edit - FIXed Links

okay so this is the ready set -

the Combo -


CPU - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0382790

Mobo - http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0382952

CORSAIR psu - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151074&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4176827&SID=isu5mattzdlq
Case - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066

nd RAM - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
 
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No the other is good enough for you.
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No its not I have 2 video cards and both recommend a minimum of 12v@40a. plus if he starts overclocking the 450 is to small. No offence but I am pretty sure Asus knows better about the power requirements of the cards than you and it states it on both of my asus boxes the 6870 and the 6850. And why would you want to get a psu that leaves no room for upgrade.

+3.3V@20A, +5V@20A, +12V@28A, -12V@0.8A, +5VSB@3.0A this is from the cx 430 12v@28 amp is not enough for sure.


+3.3V@25A, +5V@25A, +12V@40A, -12V@0.8A, +5VSB@3.0A this is the specs from the cx 600 and you can see it has the minimum recommended amps for the 6870 and 6850 and that is 12v@40@. If you do some research you will find that its the amps that are important not the watts. If you look around at all of the good psu's you will see that they are all over 40amps for the 12 volt. Not saying that the corsair you picked is a bad psu its just small for gaming rig.


 
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You haven't read the thread have you.
 
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Although a CX430 is small for a gaming rig, $400 is cheap for a gaming rig. That necessitates picking a PSU that cannot accommodate future graphics cards that have more than ~180W power draw (I'll demonstrate 186W in a minute). Conveniently, that actually includes the 7850 and 7870, so you can assume there will be plenty of choices in the Radeon's 7000, GeForce 600, or future series will stay within that power envelope.

Asus knows A LOT about power supplies. They also know that a bunch of people are going to hook up their cards to Logisys PSU's. And when they know that, they make ridiculous power suggestions so that nobody uses a Logisys 575W PSU that only has 25A on the +12V rail like this one: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817170017

Back to power draw. I'm fully away of the Wattage/Amperage thing. Turns out the physics principle behind it is P=VA. That is, the power draw (P) divided by the Amperage (A), will give you the Voltage (V) requirement. Considering we all know the GPUs are drawing from the +12V rail, we can assume the 141W 6870 real-world power usage is 141W/12V = 12A.

A Phenom II x4 @ 4.0GHz really only will use about 150W during LinX. Assuming you run Furmark on the GPU and LinX at the same time, your power usage will hit 150W+150W on the +12V rail. And the motherboard and peripherials draw a lot of their power on the 3.3V rail & 5V rail, so we can pretty much ignore those components. So 300W MAX usage--that's consistent with the benchmark I linked earlier and generous on power draw. Now a Corsair CX430 provides 28A on the +12V rail. How many Watts is that? 12V x 28A = 336W. So we're only at 90% capacity when we're running torture tests on multiple components at the same time.

And both Hardwaresecrets and Johnnyguru verify this PSU can provide 100% of it's rated power, so claiming it can provide 90% during a torture test isn't the slightest bit of a stretch.


Anyhow, that's my logic behind the CX430.

EDIT: Oh, and 336W - 150W (CPU) = 186W for GPU that I mentioned earlier.
 
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OP, I'd go cheaper on the case and decide the GPU first, if I were you. Then again, I'd also wait for Ivy Bridge to release next week.

Quite frankly, none of the components you're looking at are on sale (okay, Micro Center components are a pretty great price). Since you're on so tight of a budget, I'd wait to buy until specific components go on sale.
 
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