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April 21, 2012 12:45:12 AM

Okay so I'm planning on my first build . Will be making all orders in around 5 weeks . ehm..

Approximate Purchase Date: 5 weeks

Budget Range: <1300 euros

System Usage from : Internet Browsing , HD Video , Multimeddia Photoshop and other design programs , Maybe some editing programs such as Sony Vegas or After effects , MAYBE some little gaming

Parts Not Required:keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: hardwareversand.de

Country: Ireland :) 

Parts:
Already chosen:
CPU:Intel Core i7-2600K Box, LGA1155

CPU Cooler: Not yet decided

Case:Cooler Master HAF X, ATX,

Motherboard: ASUS P8P67 EVO Rev 3.0, Sockel 1155, ATX, DDR3 Probably/Maybe Dont know much bout motherboards

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200 2000GB, SATA 6Gb/s

RAM: 8GB Corsair Vengeance PC3-12800U CL10-10-10-27:

If I use Liquid cooling: Corsair Hydro Series H60 (Sockel 775/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/AM3/FM1)

PSU: Corsair 750HX, 750 Watt

Video Card: Completely clueless. Might maybe do "some" gaming but deffinitely not a priority. But I do watch and edit HD videos and movies. Suggestionsplease


Overclocking: Yes


*I probably should include more info but this is all I can think of... Any suggestions / help / opinions appreciated bacause it all helps and i hope to keep this forum active throughout the entire build.
THANKS IN ADVANCE :bounce: 




Additional Comments: Don't know weather to go with fan or liquid cooling. If fan i want alot and everything to be nice and cool with maybe an aftermarket cpu cooler and few extra case fans
April 21, 2012 1:28:45 AM

Just a few observations

If doing LCS (self contained liquid cooling) go with the H100 rather than the H70
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=48...

The addition of a SSD for boot/system drive has got to be my favorite upgrade in 40+ years of computing... something like this
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=46...

For your use, I'm thinking you don't really want the P67, I think a Z68 would be a better choice
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=49...

Others will hop on in I'm sure here but hopefully this will help a little
April 21, 2012 3:15:30 PM

Thanks I've changed to the h100 and as for the ssd , how important is it because they're fairly pricey,, And whats the difference between the two motheboards?
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April 21, 2012 4:58:22 PM

The H100 has a bigger radiator which is better for cooling. However, you'll be fine with a cheaper air cooler like the Hyper 212/Evo, which is around $30, will cool about the same as most of those H-series coolers, and is quiet. Much better bang for the buck.

The SSD will speed up your boot times and overall experience with programs installed on it. If you installed your editing programs on the SSD and used the hard drive for storage, it would be and feel much faster than having everything on the one hard drive.

Z68 motherboards are a bit newer and have a few extra features. I believe the QuickSync features on Z68 will speed up some of your editing; otherwise, P67 and Z68 are the same. If they're the same price, get the Z68.
April 21, 2012 8:17:17 PM

Okay so the ssd's sound great I'll get one that one C12Friedman suggested and i love the idea of the cheaper cooler as long as it keeps it cool. I plan on overclocking. Can't find it on the website im using but ill check ebay or amazon. I'll try get that Z68 mobo and can anyone reccomend a decent video card?Thanks for all the help so far and keep it coming
April 21, 2012 8:21:41 PM

On your budget, you should be looking for about an AMD HD 7850. NVIDIA might be releasing something quite soon, but I don't know how soon you'll be able to get it after it releases.
April 21, 2012 8:35:47 PM

Thanks for really quick reply! I'm trying to buy off this site Can you give an equivalent card or am I just being lazy and buy off ebay or that? And when are nvidia releasing that because I'm not buying for around 5 or 6 weeks.
April 21, 2012 8:56:15 PM

I think their stuff should be coming the last week of April/first week of May (about 2 weeks), so you might be able to get one if it beats the comparably priced AMD cards.
April 21, 2012 9:21:12 PM

Thanks I'll wait till then to pick video card because i wont be ordering until then anyway.
April 21, 2012 10:46:34 PM

Any idea what will it will be called?
April 22, 2012 2:38:07 PM

I don't personally. It should fall in line with their regular numbering scheme (GTX 660, 670 and 680, etc).
April 22, 2012 8:32:29 PM

Oh and what would be a good power supply for this build considering I will be overclocking and plan on upgrading in future?
April 22, 2012 10:14:30 PM

Depending on the GPU, you'd be looking at 650-850W. Corsair, Seasonic, and XFX are all built be Seasonic and are all top quality PSUs in that range. Seasonic is usually more common in Europe than the other two. Antec is also a good choice and can sometimes be considerably cheaper.
April 22, 2012 10:56:24 PM

boiler1990 said:
Depending on the GPU, you'd be looking at 650-850W. Corsair, Seasonic, and XFX are all built be Seasonic and are all top quality PSUs in that range. Seasonic is usually more common in Europe than the other two. Antec is also a good choice and can sometimes be considerably cheaper.


You also have Superflower PSU's available... they are little known in the US since almost all of their US products are sold through different brands but often, when reading PSU reviews, you see the statement "... rebranded Super-flower..." usually, the accompanying reviews are positive.
April 22, 2012 10:57:52 PM

I've rarely heard of SuperFlower in the US. Thanks for adding that - might help me in my next build :) 
April 22, 2012 11:00:42 PM

Super Flower is as good as Seasonic!
April 24, 2012 8:33:25 PM

Probably should have thought of this earlier but how risky is watercooling my system, as in how easy is it to fudge up and ruin my whole build. Remember this is my first build and I'm new at this! Are leaks easily possible and I see people in forums mentioning "real watercooling". What does this mean as I thought all watercooling would be real?
April 24, 2012 8:56:30 PM

Real water cooling as some people call it, is simply to differentiate themselves from those that have All-in-one-Cooling (Corsair H-80 & H100, Intel's 2011LCS, Antec'sH2O 920 & 620 etc...).
"real water cooling" is usually a custom loop (although there are kits with everything you need) consisting of: CPU cooling block, pump, reserviour, radiator and tubing (clamps, barbs, etc...)
Water cooling is not usually recommended for beginners if only because the risks can (note I say "can") outweigh the benefits. Unless you plan to do some overclocking for fun and bragging rights or want to run your system (like I do) 100% 24/7, a true water loop would not help much... and does add to the difficulty of the build.
My first step into water was the Intel 2011LCS, I figured if something were to go wrong, at least it wouldn't be my fault (hopefully).
I would suggest you do your build with air cooling (even the stock CPU cooler if it has one)... read the watercooling stickys (later) and see if that's something that interests you'll have a better understanding of the set-up steps involved
April 27, 2012 9:59:27 PM

Hmmmm..... After a few days thinking about it I suppose you're right. I'll save watercooling for the future... :/  Can you reccomend a good cpu cooler or is the stock cooler good enough? And is the stock cooler included with the i7 in my cart (seen in first post)? Thanks so far everyone<3
April 27, 2012 10:34:48 PM

padday said:
Hmmmm..... After a few days thinking about it I suppose you're right. I'll save watercooling for the future... :/  Can you reccomend a good cpu cooler or is the stock cooler good enough? And is the stock cooler included with the i7 in my cart (seen in first post)? Thanks so far everyone<3

"Box" implies that it does not include a heatsink (although the web-site says it does). Since you want to overclock anyway an aftermarket heatsink like
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=25...
or
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=31...
(as of last review I read this was the #1 air cooler, but pricey)
would work fine (if you're still considering water later, get the cheaper one - it'll still give decent clocks)

Before anyone starts hyping the CoolerMaster hyper212EVO - it is not available from that website - you're welcome to look...
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articlesearch.jsp?agid=4...
I tried 3 different searches there, came up empty.
April 28, 2012 12:52:16 AM

Yeah I emailed the suppliers asking if the i7 came with the stock cooler and if it does i think I'll go with that and overclock later to keep the costs down. I am still undecided on a video card so if anyone has any suggestions for that it would be great. I notice you mentioning that website that I kinda insisted on using... Well if anyone knows a cheaper one with more variety that will ship to Ireland I'm all ears :) 
April 28, 2012 12:48:57 PM

If you're buying a retail-boxed processor, it should come with a HSF. Never seen one that didn't.
April 28, 2012 1:45:20 PM

boiler1990 said:
If you're buying a retail-boxed processor, it should come with a HSF. Never seen one that didn't.

All socket 2011 cpu's come "box" - no HSF and I have seen it on some SB processors (haven't looked at IB to check those). It seems to be a very recent trend from Intel (haven't seen it from AMD yet).
April 28, 2012 2:38:49 PM

C12Friedman said:
All socket 2011 cpu's come "box" - no HSF and I have seen it on some SB processors (haven't looked at IB to check those). It seems to be a very recent trend from Intel (haven't seen it from AMD yet).


I knew they weren't including them with the LGA 2011 CPUs, but I haven't seen a SB/IB CPU that hasn't had one. In terms of a cost decision, it's actually a good idea for the 2011s, since they run hot enough that designing a new cooler wouldn't be very cost effective for such a niche market.
April 28, 2012 5:53:43 PM

Realization/clarification - they have the SB CPU's listed as "tray" without HSF's... interesting - they also charge more for them, I'm used to seeing a $5-$9 decrease in price that way, not an increase. I'm beginning to think the term "box" (which I had always seen in reference to OEM) is used very ambiguously in "techland" - along with a few other terms I had always assumed (there's that word) had specific meaning.
April 28, 2012 9:55:40 PM

Yeah thats weird. Does anyone know any other sites that would be cheaper and ship to Ireland?
May 6, 2012 2:00:59 PM

OK sorry for going inactive but I have been doing some research about where to buy and watercoooling and the new ivy bridge.I quickly came up with this list just to see where I'm at:

CPU: Either the i7 2600k SBor the i7 3770k IB,
CASE: Coolermaster HAF-X
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB
SSD: Crucial M4 128GB. Don't know anything about ssd's but something around that size.
RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance (2X8) Seems good enouh but oen to suggestions.
PSU: Superflower 1000W maybe overkill?
Motherboard: Something by ASUS with the z77 chipset.
Video Card: Honestly haven't a clue juust threw something rando in to get a picture of what it wil cost.
Any antistatic wristband
Thermal Compund: Haven't a clue.
Cooling: After much thought I am considering a custom loop.

Which CPU should I get? The IVY Bridge is newer but I hear that this is hotter thand SANDY Bridge but will that matter if go with the custom loop?

That SSD seems suitable but open to suggestions

PSU might be a bit too much?

Which one of them motherboards should I get? I'm undecided between the Sabertooth or Deluxe....

I know nothing about video cards so I deffinitely need help there.

And the cooling... I would like to overclok and those kits don't really have the best reviews and everyone says the best method is a custom loop but am I being stupid as this is my first build and around how much will a custom loop cost?

Thanks for all the help so far I uploaded a quick screenshot.
And by the way i stepped up my budget as log as everything including delivery is under 1500 euros.
And I looked around and decided to stay with that website..
May 6, 2012 2:37:53 PM

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CPU: Either the i7 2600k SBor the i7 3770k IB,

I would probably go with the IB chip if you're looking for something new. You get all the new features that are built-in to the CPU for roughly the same price as the 2600K. Even though it's hotter, most coolers are good enough to handle that nowadays.

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CASE: Coolermaster HAF-X

This can handle a custom setup if you decide to add-on a custom water loop later.

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SSD: Crucial M4 128GB. Don't know anything about ssd's but something around that size.

The only SSDs I would buy with my own money are the Crucial M4, Samsung 830, or anything made by Intel. They're the most reliable, and the 830 has been touted as one of the fastest in practical applications (OCZ's are technically the fastest, but not in practical benchmarks and they have an astonishing tendency to fail).

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RAM: 16GB Corsair Vengeance (2X8) Seems good enouh but oen to suggestions.

16GB is going to be healthy. You may want to look into ones with smaller heatspreaders since all they tend to do is get in the way.

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PSU: Superflower 1000W maybe overkill?

Wait until you decide on your GPU. Unless you're getting 2 or 3 GPUs, you won't need 1000W.

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Motherboard: Something by ASUS with the z77 chipset.

Gigabyte and EVGA also make some good boards. EVGA tends to have some convenient features but they cost a decent amount more in some cases.

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Video Card: Honestly haven't a clue juust threw something rando in to get a picture of what it wil cost.

I'd look at the high-end NVIDIA GPUs (580s or 680s) since their CUDA cores generally are used in many editing programs (obviously, check the programs you're using).

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Any antistatic wristband

Not really necessary but if you want one you can buy one.

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Thermal Compund: Haven't a clue.

IC Diamond is probably the best, but it can be hard to get. You might be able to find a good Arctic paste (Arctic Silver 5, MX-4) or Shin-Etsu.

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Cooling: After much thought I am considering a custom loop.

Teaching you the ins-and-outs of WCing may take a while, so I would plan on a decent and inexpensive air cooler while you read up on the WC stuff in that section of the forum. Once you get your build finalized, head over to the WC forum, read the sticky at the top of the threads, and make a post with any questions you have. Reading the sticky is the first thing we'll tell you to do, so you could even get started on that now if you want.
May 6, 2012 3:15:17 PM

Thanks for the quick answer!
I'lll go with the IVY bridge for the CPU. I love the HAF-X. I suppose I'll stick with the SSD.
You're right about the RAM... I have heard that before.. Do you know any smaller RAM then?
I'll look at them video cards. I don't think I'll be needing more than one. I will only be buying one at first but I would like the option to add 1 more later.What sort of PSU would that add up to? I will be buying the wristband and I'll get that type of thermal paste.

As for the cooling , I'l do my best to research that as I'm not ordering for a few weeks yet...

Thanks for the help!
May 6, 2012 10:14:57 PM

This is what I use to calculate PSU needs, and it's pretty accurate since it has a large database of parts: http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp

As for RAM, I know that most companies make low profile options, but since you won't be OCing or anything you could probably get the 'value' kits that don't have heat spreaders on them - it'll all work the same.
May 7, 2012 12:23:45 AM

I would rather rely on benchmarks than theoreticals.
May 7, 2012 5:02:45 PM

Thanks for that. I'll do that later when I've chosen my video card. Can anyone reccomend a good graphics card under .. hmmm... 300?
May 7, 2012 7:55:25 PM

I'm thinking you could probably find a GTX 580 new in that price range, and maybe a GTX 670 if NVIDIA ever decides to release them. If your programs benefit from AMD GPUs, then you should be looking around the HD 7850 or so.
May 7, 2012 11:46:19 PM

Ok the GTX 580 was over well over 400 so I chose the HD 7850. I'm an ASUS fanboy so I chose ASUS straight away.=].. Look akay? http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=57... I know I keep changing my mind but I think I'll all off water cooling for the time being mainly because it is very time consuming to do the research and then actually doing it. I'll go with the Hyper 212/Evo . I will deffinately come back to a custom loop in the very near future...Or perhaps maybe could I just watercool my CPU and add in the video card and everything else later?Opinions please but for the moment it all sounds way too complicated for me!And one more unrelated question: When I'm adding a second video card in the future which I plan on doing, Does it have to be the same card?
May 8, 2012 4:59:56 AM

You haven't discussed it at all so I'll reiterate: check the editing programs you plan to use and see if there is any benefit to using an NVIDIA or an AMD GPU. For example, I know a lot of Autodesk's and Adobe's software gains a ton from CUDA, which is only supported by NVIDIA.
May 8, 2012 9:30:01 PM

Yes I know that, but the 580 is alot more than the HD 7850 which is 2gb.. I can shift somethings around and go a little over budget if its worth doing. And i can't find out much about which would be best except the odd mentioning of CUDA here and there..
May 8, 2012 9:43:25 PM

I would probably still lean toward NVIDIA unless you can find benchmarks with your programs using similar cards to what youre looking at. CUDA does make a difference in some applications and its something AMD cards simply dont have.
May 8, 2012 10:13:55 PM

Yeah I've heard nothing but great review for that card.. and it wins any benchmarks too, It will push my build over the 1700 mark, and thats before watercooling!Remember when I started out with a budget of 1300 lol better be worth it in the end :l

So I'll keep saving and I'll do it right =]
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