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Anybody know why Kodak dumped their Nikon based N-80 14 meg unit all of a
sudden?

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LOL! "Kodak has no experience making cameras" ?


"Darrell" <spam@this.eh> wrote in message
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> "BP" <wgtp1@rcn.com> wrote in message
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>> Anybody know why Kodak dumped their Nikon based N-80 14 meg unit all of a
>> sudden?
>>
> Because they couldn't get it to work as well as the Canon 1DS mk.II. Kodak
> has no experience making cameras... Besides Kodak doesn't need to make
> cameras, film or darkroom supplies.
>
>
>

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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:02:44 GMT, "Doug Robbins"
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>LOL! "Kodak has no experience making cameras" ?

Perhaps we should say "Quality cameras".


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>Anybody know why Kodak dumped their Nikon based N-80 14 meg unit all
>of a sudden?

Didn't sell enough, mainly because the sensor was very noisy and the
camera was so slow to turn on that it was pretty much useless in the
field. I think the early versions had a 2 minute turn-on time,
something like that. This camera went thru more firmware updates than
any other camera and they still never quite got there.

They built the 14c to compete with Canon but never had a chance against
the 1Ds and the 1Ds Mark II (11 and 16 Mpix), even though the price was
about $3,500 lower. I thought they could sell the 14n (Nikon version)
as a studio camera to guys with Nikon lenses but once Nikon came out
with a 12 Mpixel body (D2x) then that market was probably gone too.

Bill

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>One pro shooter told me he didn't think the SLR/n was as robust
>as Nikon's pro D2X cameras.

It's probably not a coincidence that months after the D2x came out the
14n was dropped.

>The SLR/n was built on the Nikon N80 body, a
>good start but basically a pro-sumer product.

Coulda been a LOT worse ... the Kodak 14c, which takes Canon lenses,
was built on a Sigma body I wonder how they ever sold ANY of those
given the 1Ds and 1Ds Mark II was their competition.

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ASAAR <caught@22.com> writes:
> On 24 Jun 2005 12:17:00 -0700, Bill Hilton wrote:

>> Coulda been a LOT worse ... the Kodak 14c, which takes Canon
>> lenses, was built on a Sigma body I wonder how they ever sold
>> ANY of those given the 1Ds and 1Ds Mark II was their competition.

> Are you sure about that? I've read that while the DCS 14n had its
> body made by Nikon, the newer PRO DSC SLR model is where Sigma
> stepped into the picture, supplying the body for the PRO DSC SLR/c.
> Nothing was mentioned about a DCS 14c, so I suppose if there was one
> it might have been manufactured by Sigma, but I'm not familiar
> enough with that line of Kodak cameras to really know.

There never was a Kodak 14c. Previous EF-mount Kodaks has been the
DCS-1, DCS-3, DCS-5 and DCS 560, all built on the Canon EOS-1n body.

Below is a list of the Kodak DCS models I am aware of, and the
chassis they are built on. I think it is a pity Kodak went
from the F5 to the N80 when DCS 14n was introduced.

DCS 1xx - Nikon F3
DCS 2xx - Nikon 8008s
DCS 4xx - Nikon N90s
DCS 3xx - Nikon Pronea 600i
DCS 1,3,5 - Canon EOS 1n
DCS 5xx - Canon EOS 1n
DCS 6xx - Nikon F5
DCS 7xx - Nikon F5
DCS 14n - Nikon N80
DCS SLR/c - Sigma SD10
DCS SLR/n - Nikon N80

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Neil Ellwood <charge@eater.pig> writes:
> They have had plenty of experience MAKING cameras although I am not
> sure about making them pay.

With film, they didn't have to make them pay. All they needed was to
make the cameras require film packaged in some cartridge patented by
Kodak. They could give away the cameras, and still make a profit on
film and processing.

With digital, that business model is void. Kodak is now struggling
very hard to re-invent itself.

I lament the passing of the Kodak DSLR line (even if I could not
afford any of the current models).
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On 24 Jun 2005 22:23:22 +0200, Gisle Hannemyr wrote:

> DCS 1xx - Nikon F3
> DCS 2xx - Nikon 8008s
> DCS 4xx - Nikon N90s
> DCS 3xx - Nikon Pronea 600i
> DCS 1,3,5 - Canon EOS 1n
> DCS 5xx - Canon EOS 1n
> DCS 6xx - Nikon F5
> DCS 7xx - Nikon F5
> DCS 14n - Nikon N80
> DCS SLR/c - Sigma SD10
> DCS SLR/n - Nikon N80

Thanks for the confirmation. Too bad about Kodak discontinuing
the line. Those last two DCS SLRs seemed quite nice, and finally
provided a reasonable (if modest) ISO sensitivity. If the prices
really plummet I could be tempted . . .

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"Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
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> Neil Ellwood wrote:
>> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 08:44:37 -0400, Darrell wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"BP" <wgtp1@rcn.com> wrote in message
>>>news:Y_mdnRO-mIXYYibfRVn-hw@rcn.net...
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>>>>Anybody know why Kodak dumped their Nikon based N-80 14 meg unit all of
>>>>a sudden?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Because they couldn't get it to work as well as the Canon 1DS mk.II.
>>>Kodak has no experience making cameras... Besides Kodak doesn't need to
>>>make cameras, film or darkroom supplies.
>>
>> I have owned several Kodak cameras, a Retina 1b and a retina 11c both
>> made
>> in Germany, there were a couple of box type cameras and a rollfilm
>> Sterling that was popularised as 'Katie' and was made in UK. They have
>> had
>> plenty of experience MAKING cameras although I am not sure about making
>> them pay.
>>
> Sure, they have been around for more than 100 years by making cameras that
> don't pay. They have about 20% of the US market by making cameras that
> don't pay. Makes sense to me.
> Sigh.
>
Kodak hasn't made real cameras for over 50 years. The Kodak studio view was
out-sourced. I don't know if the Schneider lensed Retinas were made by
Kodak, I believe they were out-sourced to a German maker. Their current
digital P&S are out-sourced. Their Instamatics and Disc cameras were
probably the last cameras they made.

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"John A. Stovall" <johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 15:02:44 GMT, "Doug Robbins"
> <crobbins6@triad.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>LOL! "Kodak has no experience making cameras" ?
>
> Perhaps we should say "Quality cameras".
>

Maybe the current crew at Kodak has no experience making "quality" cameras,
but they made some excellent SLRs (Retina) in the '50s, and the early
digital SLRs were bleeding edge, and cost accordingly.

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Jerome Bigge <jerbigge@worldnet.att.net> wrote in
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> On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 07:45:40 -0400, "Darrell" <spam@this.eh> wrote:
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>>Kodak hasn't made real cameras for over 50 years. The Kodak studio view
>>was out-sourced. I don't know if the Schneider lensed Retinas were made
>>by Kodak, I believe they were out-sourced to a German maker. Their
>>current digital P&S are out-sourced. Their Instamatics and Disc cameras
>>were probably the last cameras they made.
>
> Bottom of my Kodak 7220 says "Made in China for EASTMAN KODAK
> COMPANY".
>
> The bottom of my Kodak DX6490 says 'Made In China. Designed in Japan for
EASTMAN KODAK COMPANY Rochester, NY 14650. BTW I think its a great camera and
have took 1400 pics with it!