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April 24, 2012 11:29:06 AM

Hey, Im gonna be making a new pc very soon and ive got a few ideas going and just wanted a few opinions on it to see what others think. Curious if anyone can make any suggestions to improve it or find an obvious flaw. First off I need to say that I have never bought and built a computer like this before. I built my current pc with my brother and it is pretty oldschool and terrible.

I plan on using this computer for filming games with FRAPS, playing Tera, D3, GW2 etc and would love to play on max graphics for once while recording or streaming.

I already have Windows, mouse, keyboard, headset, 2 23.6' 120hz monitors in 1920x1080 so they will not be included in my budget. I am from Australia and work just around the corner from a centrecom store so it is prefered to get all or most of the parts from there but sometimes they are just a bit too expensive on random parts so some items can be bought from pccasegear.

Their websites - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php
- http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/default.php

Case - NZXT Switch 810 - Black $219
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/csnzsw810b-nzxt-swi...

- I chose this case because I want a future proof case and don't want to have to pick up another when I either upgrade this or make a new one in 4 years (hoping to make it last, might get a few replacements etc as I go). I think it looks incredibly good and very practical.


Motherboard - ASRock Z77 Extreme4 Motherboard $155
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...


-It has lots of USB 3, Sata 3, possibility for SLI in the future and has decent overclocking support.


CPU - Intel CPU Core i7-2700K - LGA 1155 $327
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/bx80623i72700k-inte...


-This will obviously be the 3770k but it is not for sale in Australia until Sunday the 29th but it should be roughly the same price etc.


Noctua NH-D14 $89
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/nh-d14-noctua-extre...


-Obvious choice, just wish the bloody fans wern't so god damn ugly. I was considering getting blue LED's or a blue cathode for lolz, would that help? hahaha.


-XFX RADEON HD 7970 Core Edition $539
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/797a-tnfc-radeon-79...

-I was thinking about getting a gtx 670 TI but I'm not sure when it will be released, how powerful it will be and how much it will cost. If its about $400 or so that would be my choice as I wouldn't mind saving a bit on the card. The reason I chose this over a gtx 680 at the moment is simply price. A 680 is costing 700+ in Australia, 540 for a 7970 just seemed awesome.



Corsair 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600MHz CL9 Low Profile Vengeance (CML8GX3M2A1600C9) $61
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/cml8gx3m2a1600c9-co...


-I chose this so that the heatsink would clear the ram easier, I was under the assumption the giant heatsinks on RAM were basically pointless. Correct me if I am wrong.


OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Modular $99
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...


-Cheap modular power supply made by a decent company. Will this support my build and or will it support the addition of a second GPU in the future? Any other suggestions are welcome.


OCZ Agility 3 Series 120GB 2.5" SSD Sata 6Gbs $152
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/agt3-25sat3-120g-ag...


- Im not going to lie I know very little about SSD's. I am after a 120/128g SSD with decent speed that wont break the bank, this seemed like a decent choice at a first glance.


Seagate Barracuda 2TB ST2000DM001 $139
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...


- Decent speed, decent size, decent price.


LG GH24NS90 24x SATA DVD-RW Drive OEM $22
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...


- Cheap crap, just to get the job done.


Total so far - $1802
That will go up slightly once I count shipping from pccasegear but that should be ok as I live in 40 min from melbourne. (Can't pick them up from the store because they close at 5pm, centrecom closes at 6 which gives me enough time to grab it after work.)

Thanks for reading and thanks for any help or advice, sorry if it was a bit long.

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April 24, 2012 12:19:29 PM

Look at this thread: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/343274-31-1800-gaming

So...

Case: Seems nice, except a bit expensive. I don't think cases matter all that much for "future-proofing"... meaning, as long as they have a large enough cutout for the CPU cooler and enough room for a lengthy GPU, they're pretty much "future-proof". This one can support up to a 375mm GPU (w/out fan), and the GTX 680, for comparison, is 254mm. Do you need a side window? I'd recommend the Corsair 500R (or 400R, or something higher if you want it). It's got room for a GPU 425mm in length! If GPUs get any longer than that, I think we'll need to start buying buildings! It's also got great cable management, construction, and cooling. It also costs less. The Corsairs say "call for stock" at centre.com, though.

Mobo: Nice choice.

CPU: Don't wait for Ivy Bridge... benchmarks have been released, and if you're waiting specifically for IB, then it's not worth it. It's not even that good! Anyway, if you're just gaming and not using any hyper-threading applications (look up a list, it's stuff like video editing) very heavily, then an i5-2500k would be fine. After the 2500k, there are diminishing returns. For gaming, you're not really going to get much better value for your money.

CPU Fan: Wait... are you going for silence? Also, make sure the case you select has enough room for this behemoth. But seriously... are you going for silence? If so, we have to change the case.

GPU: Uses quite a bit of power, but they just slashed prices on the 79xx and 77xx, so it'll be a pretty good deal. I generally advise against XFX because sometimes their GPUs will be VERY loud. Meaning... if it's not silent, it's going to be a lawnmower. Also, it's only got one fan! I think the money you save on the case can go to a better manufacturer for the GPU... namely, either ASUS, Gigabyte, or, my favorite, MSI. MSI doesn't have a Twin Frozr II OC version of this card on centre.com, though, so I'm going to go with this one: http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/gigabyte-radeon-797...

It's a little more pricey, but it's got a whopping THREE fans! It's going to be REALLY quiet and it's going to cool REALLY well! It's also clocked higher. I think it's worth it... I never go with single-fan GPUs.

RAM: Good catch.

PSU: I don't think it'll support Crossfire. I am using eXtreme PSU calculator, and I got a minimum (with fans, and some stuff added, as well as a hefty overclock for the i5-2500k of 4.5GHz at 1.4vcore) of 560W, with suggested 610W. Crossfiring would result in a minimum of 743W and a suggestion of 793W.

SSD: Seems decent. Look into Samsung extreme, or Crucial M4 for some others. Also, Intel is very reliable.

HDD: It looks fine! I don't know why it's so cheap, though... it makes me nervous.

DVD-RW Drive: Don't know much about it, but it seems to be fine. LG is generally a good brand.

Now, you said full-tower case, so here's what I'm going to suggest:

CoolerMaster HAF 932: http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/cooler-master-p-342...

The HAF X is also popular, though more expensive.

April 24, 2012 12:39:02 PM

Im looking for a full tower chassis with great air cooling and the room for water in the future if I decide to give water cooling a go. Which is the main reason I picked the switch 810, I know its a bit pricey but im willing to go slightly higher on a case that I really like the look of.
Im willing to try other cases but a window is a nice addition and it has alot of good features.

Now for IB, I saw that the reviews wern't very great but for the same rough price I see no reason not to get one, waiting a week isn't much of an issue for me at the moment. Waiting for the 670 TI isnt an issue either assuming that its a good buy.

You made some very valid points about the card which I might rethink or just wait for a 670. The heatsink is simply the best one that im aware of and it should easily fit in a full tower like the switch 810.


edit - I looked into that thread you link but it seemed to turn into a spend as much as humanly possible on this gaming rig thread. It also counted alot of accessories into the price limit, was worth a quick look though.

And last of all, I heard that it isn't the watts that are the most important part of a PSU but it is the amps per rail or something. I don't actually know how many amps is good and how many are required for things :(  . Thank you very much for the imput though.
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April 24, 2012 7:43:55 PM

I'm updating the post more. Replying to the stuff you've said so far:

Full tower chassis will be more expensive, but I'll look into it.

For the same price on IB, the chip actually runs hotter. Meaning if you overclock SB to 4.5GHz and IB to 4.5GHz, the IB will be slightly hotter. However, it has some stuff that's valuable for mobile/laptop users.

PSU: Watts do matter. Amps are sort of just the quality... but wattage does matter. You might want to ask on the PSU section about that.
April 24, 2012 7:48:43 PM

That is true. The amount of power supplied by a PSU to video cards depends on the amps on the rail that goes to the PCIE connectors. However, The PSU you choose only has 25 amps on each of the 12V rails, meaning if all the PCIE connectors are on the same rail it would only be able to give 25x12 = 300W to the graphics cards. This will not be enough for high end cards in SLI. Also, the overall power output of 700 Watts is also a bit low for an SLI config, once you take into account that you have an OC'ed processor and a whole bunch of accessories.

In addition to being able to supply inadequate power, this power supply also doesnt seem to be 80plus certified. Hence I would doubt the effeciency and by extension the quality of the power you recieve from this power supply. This would affect your OC as well as increase chances that a power supply failure would fry other components in your PC.

I would suggest getting a 750 Watt Corsair or Seasonic power supply, (ideally with a a single 12V rail or if it has many rails, then 40amps on the 12V rail.)
April 24, 2012 8:21:19 PM

ddan49 said:
Look at this thread: http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/343274-31-1800-gaming
CPU: Don't wait for Ivy Bridge... benchmarks have been released, and if you're waiting specifically for IB, then it's not worth it. It's not even that good! Anyway, if you're just gaming and not using any hyper-threading applications (look up a list, it's stuff like video editing) very heavily, then an i5-2500k would be fine. After the 2500k, there are diminishing returns. For gaming, you're not really going to get much better value for your money.

EDIT: I am going to have to work on this later... I have to go. here's what i think so far, though! :/ 


http://www.anandtech.com/show/5771/the-intel-ivy-bridge... <----- SB cpu's net you little to no gain at all past 4.4 - 4.5Ghz. The IB has a heat problem after 4.5 - 4.6Ghz. So I would think if a person wanted more FPS in game then the IB would be the obvious choice. I mean pushing a cpu to 4.8Ghz is great if throwing those volts into it actually gained you something in performance...but it doesn't.

@ the OP. The Modstream line of OCZ psu's are pretty bad...like bad bad.

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i... $129.00
Silverstone Strider Plus 750W ST75F-P 80 PLUS Silver 100% modular
April 24, 2012 8:23:23 PM

It's 80+ certified... not bronze, though. That's why I suggested a PC Power and Cooling Silencer MK II 750W Silver Rated PSU in the past.
April 25, 2012 12:16:25 AM

+1 to changing the PSU, but the rest of the list looks great.

The model Why_Me linked through is well priced, good manufacturer and 100% modular which is a bonus :) 

Unless you were planning for some insane OCing I think IB is the way to go.

PCCaseGear are great and I also get stuff from MSY. Being close to Melbourne you should have one near you. They are about as cheap as it comes in Aus... Currently list Gigabyte gtx 680 at $672 (obviously out of stock) I'm hoping by the time IB comes around they will be in.

http://msy.com.au/

SSD - The one you listed is a good performer and well priced.... but if you google... OCZ SSDs cop a fair bit of heat regarding reliability and with this in mind, my choice ATM is Intel 520 120GB which MSY sell for $185. My opinion with SSDs has changed a bit with recent builds in mind. Really, we quibble of a few seconds of performance here and there when in reality, so long as you choose an upper tier model they are all damn fast! So I just want one that is going to work.

GPU - gtx 670 can't be far off, how they place performance and price is a bit of guess. Somewhere between $100-$150 less than the gtx 680???

Case - The one you list is kind of pricey, but if your'e wanting a full tower to fit that Noctua NH d14.

My personal preference is for more modest CPU coolers that still perform well:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

In a case like:

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

My office is pretty small though :)  Good luck with your system.

April 25, 2012 12:29:41 AM

I'm happy I posted here before I went and bought parts. I really appreciate everyones input and suggestions. I love the case you reccomended ddan49 and I have decided on the HAF X after watching a few reviews on both cases, looks like an amazing case for what I am after.

Now for the power supply. I will not be getting the ocz but will indeed be looking into getting the Silverstone Strider suggested by why_me. Another question about power supplies. Will the 750 watt strider support 2 GPU's? And if not would it be worthwhile getting something smaller for a single GPU setup?

I'm not in much of a rush to get it yet so I will also be waiting for the GTX 670 TI most likely or getting a 680 if I can find it cheap enough and in stock. Might need to get a few more $$ into the budget for that though.

Thanks alot everyone and any other input is very welcome and appreciated.

Edit - Seems I completely forgot about MSY, there is one 10 minutes away from where I work, they close at 6:30 and its on my way home anyways. So I will double check all my parts before I purchase and shop around to try and get the best prices from either centrecom / MSY and whatever they don't have I may ship from PCCG if it is alot cheaper.
If I can save some money on a few parts what are peoples thoughts on the OCZ Vertex 4 SSD?
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/vtx4-25sat3-128g-ve...
April 25, 2012 12:51:03 AM

750w may or may not support 2 GPUs. There is a member who posts in the PSU, Cases and Mods section of the forums that knows what amps on the 12v rail each SLI/CF setup requires, so I recommend posting there on the PSU. Hopefully he replies to you. :p 

Or I could find him and give you his username so you can PM him. :) 
April 25, 2012 12:30:39 PM

Or you could buy the eXtreme PSU calculator for life for like $1 (or $2, I don't remember)... if the forum member rejects you ;) 

Usually they're pretty good over there, though.
April 26, 2012 10:10:48 AM

A few issues arrose that I seem to need a hand with. I now need to try and get my entire pc from centrecom because my brother apparently knows the owner of the one near me and thinks he can get me a deal.

So basically now I don't know what power supply to get. I want modular, single rail and enough to power an OC'd 3770k and a gtx 680/7970 (which ill try and get from them aswell).
I don't know much about which PSU's are the highest quality and most trusted, which was proven by my first choice which was apparently terrible.

Thanks in advance, I would love it to be a similar price to the silverstone strider 750
http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Also other than the fact that it will be loud is the 7970 core a strong card?
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/797a-tnfc-radeon-79...
April 26, 2012 10:53:48 AM

For PSUs stick with Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, Silverstone. If it has to be centrecom. I would go something like:

Corsair TX 750W v2 (Best price at $141)

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/cmpsu-750txv2-corsa...

OR

Antec TP 750W ($160 bit pricey for that PSU)

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/761345-23753-antec-...

Could also go the Antec HCG 750W (Would look sweet inside the Red HAF X)

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/761345-10586-antec-...

It doesn't look like they have many modular options in that wattage range? You could probably get away with a 650W with that build, but I like the idea of a 750W on it for a bit of extra headroom.

I wouldn't be too worried about getting modular. You'll be using most of those cables, just run the rest up behind your mobo and you'll never know :) 
April 26, 2012 12:16:13 PM

FYI, Seasonic makes PC Power and Cooling PSUs, I believe. Either way, they're a good company as well.

I know PC Power and Cooling have some modular power supplies in that range... but I don't think there are any at centrecom.com. Could you just get the PSU from the other store, and get everything else from centrecom.com? Also, I think semi-modular is fine as well. I mean, it has basic cables attached that you're not going to remove, anyway (your CPU always needs power. Why would that cable be removable?). There seem to be a lot of pricey XFX PSUs in that range on centrecom.
April 26, 2012 1:21:53 PM

Yea Dan, im gonna try and price match the PSU/HDD/Mobo/Case and if I can't get a good Power supply from centrecom I will simply get it from PCCG or MSY the day after. I'll update my post tomorrow once I see if I can get a deal on anything, might be able to alter the build slightly.
Thanks btw.
April 26, 2012 7:57:01 PM

Seasonic makes some of PC Power and Cooling PSUs, not all. The only company (other than Seasonic ofc) that is fully manufactured by Seasonic is XFX.
April 26, 2012 9:28:15 PM

Ah. Well, PC Power and Cooling PSUs have a GREAT repuatation, anyway.
April 26, 2012 9:30:03 PM

Yes, that they do.
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