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I'm done with my GPU, Wondering if I can get RMA?

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February 17, 2012 4:11:48 PM

Hey guys so I am quite pissed off at this point. My Sapphire 6870 w/ Dual fans (DiRT 3 edition), might I stress again that it is has dual fans, is overheating. Now I've already posted many threads on this forum asking of how to troubleshoot this problem, yet I had no luck with any of the suggestions I was given. I pushed my OC back to stock (I was barely able to get any higher of a stable OC anyways), I even replaced the thermal paste with Arctic Silver 5, two times because I thought I might have added too much the first time. My temps when running Furmark or OCCT are easily 82*C + and this is at a stock overclock of 900mhz core and 1050mhz memory clock. When I play Just Cause 2, my temps are around 65*C - 70*C which are generally low compared to my stability testing temps yet they are still pretty high considering that the GPU is dual fan and the game isn't even that graphic intensive as opposed to BF3 or any of the latest games. When I play Witcher 2 however, my temps are between 70*C and 75*C. Now obviously this is not even close to normal as other people are getting between 50*C -70*C max even when stress testing. When my card idles it is at 33*C as soon as the system boots up. After about 10-20 min of idling it is at 37*C-45*C. Now I pretty much gave up on the card and I'd like to RMA it A.S.A.P.

My system is well cooled I'd say. I have a HAF 912 case that has two CM sickleflow 120mm fans as front intake. One stock 120mm side case fan that blows directly at my GPU, a 200mm megaflow as exhaust on the top and a stock 120mm rear case fan as exhaust. I even thought that maybe my airflow pressures were too neutral, or maybe there might have been a vortex that was disturbing the airflow so I turned off all my case fans except for my rear 120mm fan. This didn't change anything much so I turned on my side case fan along with my rear fan which also didn't help. After playing around with which fans were on or off I realized that the fans had nothing to do with the problem and that it was only the GPU that was full of crap. I'm getting sufficient power since I have an iCAN 600W PSU that should be more than enough even for two GPUs. So in conclusion, I am wondering if I can still get a RMA done even though I changed the thermal paste. The thing is that the way it was applied by Sapphire was using a perfectly rectangular applicator that had a shape a lot bigger than the actual TIM. So when I applied it I only obviously put the thermal paste on the TIM itself. If they open the GPU it's obviously going to be noticeable. I had previously already filled out the RMA form regarding a different problem. What I thought was that my GPU was rattling when at a fan speed of around 65%-80% but I think the problem was actually that one of those PCI-e metal slot cap things that block empty PCI-e slots from being open from the back of the PC case ( lol sorry I forgot the actual term,) was actually touching the metal around the cap that was on the input interface metal cap thingy of the GPU itself. This caused some sort of resonance that created the rattling noise at certain fan speeds. I think I fixed this problem myself but the temperatures are still killing me.

Sorry it is a long post but I gave up and really need to know if I can replace this faulty card. Thank you!

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February 17, 2012 4:54:53 PM

mmmm well you opened the card up so that has voided your warranty...
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February 17, 2012 4:56:17 PM

alvine said:
mmmm well you opened the card up so that has voided your warranty...

But some other people have said they've been able to get away with it regardless.
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February 17, 2012 4:57:00 PM

I also made sure there wasn't any stickers hidden in the card.
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February 17, 2012 5:06:02 PM

well you could buy aftermarket cooler for it...
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February 17, 2012 5:09:39 PM

Kari said:
well you could buy aftermarket cooler for it...

But if the GPU gets to those temps even with a highly rated dual fan cooling system...doesn't it mean that there is a problem with the GPU itself and that I should RMA it?
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February 17, 2012 5:15:30 PM

is this your card?
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1...

well it looks nice... Only thing I could think of is that the heatpipes on the cooler have released their contents and are now dry, and not conducting heat properly...

anyhoo i think you could just rma the card, if they give you trouble over the fact that you've reapplied the Thermal Interface Material, telll them you knew what you were doing and wore a antistatic wrist straps and stuff...
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February 17, 2012 5:57:38 PM

Myself, I'd try the RMA route, with the statement that you were tring a realitively simple fix. And yes you could indicate that you wore an ESD stap, which you should have and being a good tech did.

Some additional comments.
I'm a little confused. You said "So when I applied it I only obviously put the thermal paste on the TIM itself"
Tim is the thermal paste, Hopefully you did not apply new theram paste OVER the top of the Old thermal paste (TIM) and that was just averbage error.

Overheating of an IC is caused by one or more of the following factors.
1) Incorrect application of the TIM causing poor thermal conductivity between the IC and the Cooler base.
2) Ineffecient HS and fan
3) Increased current thru the IC. Increased current is caused by (A) Incorrect voltage or (B) the Impedeadance (Resistance) has decreased.
.. (A) could be caused by PSU, or voltage regulator on the GPU (ie onboard regulator that converts the +12V to a lower value (simular to using the +12 V and regulating it down to the 1 Volt used by the CPU, or the 1.5 V used for your Ram.
.... (B) is the chip itself going Bad.

While I dougt it is your PSU as I think you would have other indication Your statement " iCAN 600W PSU that should be more than enough even for two GPUs" is not really accurate.
Yes 600 Watt is more than enough for your system as you are probably maxing out @ 350 Watts while running furmark. I have simular system - I5-2500k, w/16 gigs ram, 2 SSDs, 6870 GPU (and may be a Sapphire model, at work so can not verify), 1 HDD and one Blu-ray writer. That does NOT mean ALL 600 Watt PSUs are created the same, Some are high quality with great regulation while at the other end _______, well you can fill in the Blank
For most, the only way to verify the output of a PSU is to swap with a known good unit.
Or you caoud invest in a digit O'scope (Digital Votl meter reall not good enough) at about a grand. PS I do have both.
The bottom line is just a question - How do you KNOW your PSU is good.
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February 17, 2012 6:13:14 PM

My card idles at 42c and when im under load it routinely gets above 65c and 70c-80c during benchmarking. Not sure why you are complaining about those temps, they seem pretty much inline for me. RMAing wont change a thing with your temps.
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February 17, 2012 7:39:45 PM

RetiredChief said:
Myself, I'd try the RMA route, with the statement that you were tring a realitively simple fix. And yes you could indicate that you wore an ESD stap, which you should have and being a good tech did.

Some additional comments.
I'm a little confused. You said "So when I applied it I only obviously put the thermal paste on the TIM itself"
Tim is the thermal paste, Hopefully you did not apply new theram paste OVER the top of the Old thermal paste (TIM) and that was just averbage error.

Overheating of an IC is caused by one or more of the following factors.
1) Incorrect application of the TIM causing poor thermal conductivity between the IC and the Cooler base.
2) Ineffecient HS and fan
3) Increased current thru the IC. Increased current is caused by (A) Incorrect voltage or (B) the Impedeadance (Resistance) has decreased.
.. (A) could be caused by PSU, or voltage regulator on the GPU (ie onboard regulator that converts the +12V to a lower value (simular to using the +12 V and regulating it down to the 1 Volt used by the CPU, or the 1.5 V used for your Ram.
.... (B) is the chip itself going Bad.

While I dougt it is your PSU as I think you would have other indication Your statement " iCAN 600W PSU that should be more than enough even for two GPUs" is not really accurate.
Yes 600 Watt is more than enough for your system as you are probably maxing out @ 350 Watts while running furmark. I have simular system - I5-2500k, w/16 gigs ram, 2 SSDs, 6870 GPU (and may be a Sapphire model, at work so can not verify), 1 HDD and one Blu-ray writer. That does NOT mean ALL 600 Watt PSUs are created the same, Some are high quality with great regulation while at the other end _______, well you can fill in the Blank
For most, the only way to verify the output of a PSU is to swap with a known good unit.
Or you caoud invest in a digit O'scope (Digital Votl meter reall not good enough) at about a grand. PS I do have both.
The bottom line is just a question - How do you KNOW your PSU is good.


Oh lol I'm sorry yeah I got my vocabulary mixed. What I mean is that I only applied thermal compound over the heat spreader on top of the core chip. Not anymore or less. The stock thermal paste that was previously used was applied to the copper of the heatsink instead and then put together. This meant that the heatsink had thermal paste on it with a surface area greater than that of the area of the heat spreader so in order for me to replicate that look would mean I would have to waste some thermal paste and use a rectangular tracer in order to make a perfect enlarged rectangle shape application of thermal paste. They'd be able to tell by the better quality of the thermal paste that it isn't their own anyhow. :na:  Oh and you are right that my PSU can't be good enough just based on the wattage. Unfortunately I don't have another PSU that can be used as my other ones are less than 500W :( 

It runs fine in games I guess although I'm having a bit of a micro-stuttering issue while playing The Witcher 2 and Assassin's Creed Brotherhood. There is absolutely no issue in Just Cause 2 however. I would have liked to overclock the card a bit more but I guess it's fine as it is.

The last comment by 'vrumor' may be right that RMAing the card won't be able to fix the heating issue but I have realized that the buzzing noise I mentioned earlier is still ongoing. I realized that it isn't my case but the card itself. When I boost the fan from 30% straight to 100% in one step, for a brief 2 seconds my GPU makes a rattling noise near the fan area close to the input interface. The reason why I thought the sound went away from what I did to the case before was because when the metal from the input interface of the GPU was touching any of the other metal caps on top or below it, it would increase the vibrations and make more of a noise. Good thing I still caught this sound. What should I do about it? Should I try fixing this somehow or RMA the card and hope that the problem along with the many other ones may go away?
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February 17, 2012 7:55:16 PM

lol and I was just playing around with my Sapphire 5670 with Arctic Cooling. Man that card was a bad boy even though it didn't have as high of a performance as my 6870. It ran at 28*C on idle and 58*C when stress testing on full load. Not only that but it had a great overclocking ability. I was able to max out the cards clock speeds beyond its maximum without even touching the core voltage ( which I couldn't change unless I flashed the BIOS.) I went from 775mhz core clock to 900mhz. That is 125mhz increase on stock voltage. T_T I know that not all cards are the same and I'm comparing two completely different cards but I was just wondering why I could only go up 20mhz of core clock on stock voltage on my 6870.
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February 17, 2012 8:07:30 PM

vrumor said:
My card idles at 42c and when im under load it routinely gets above 65c and 70c-80c during benchmarking. Not sure why you are complaining about those temps, they seem pretty much inline for me. RMAing wont change a thing with your temps.


^ This

GPUs run hotter than CPUs. Your temps are actually quite normal.
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February 17, 2012 8:07:57 PM

5670 is a low end card, so the chip is small and it doesn't put out much heat.... 6870 is two 'steps' higher
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February 17, 2012 8:09:01 PM

Kari said:
is this your card?
http://www.sapphiretech.com/presentation/product/?cid=1...

well it looks nice... Only thing I could think of is that the heatpipes on the cooler have released their contents and are now dry, and not conducting heat properly...

anyhoo i think you could just rma the card, if they give you trouble over the fact that you've reapplied the Thermal Interface Material, telll them you knew what you were doing and wore a antistatic wrist straps and stuff...

Yeap that's the one. It is supposed to have really good cooling. It's not the case with my specific card.
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February 17, 2012 8:11:16 PM

cmcghee358 said:
^ This

GPUs run hotter than CPUs. Your temps are actually quite normal.

normal for reference desings, that card has custom cooler with 2 fans on it so the temps seem a bit high... or the cooler isn't as effective as it seems...
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February 17, 2012 8:12:02 PM

cmcghee358 said:
^ This

GPUs run hotter than CPUs. Your temps are actually quite normal.

Well than I only have the problem with the buzzing then "The last comment by 'vrumor' may be right that RMAing the card won't be able to fix the heating issue but I have realized that the buzzing noise I mentioned earlier is still ongoing. I realized that it isn't my case but the card itself. When I boost the fan from 30% straight to 100% in one step, for a brief 2 seconds my GPU makes a rattling noise near the fan area close to the input interface. The reason why I thought the sound went away from what I did to the case before was because when the metal from the input interface of the GPU was touching any of the other metal caps on top or below it, it would increase the vibrations and make more of a noise. Good thing I still caught this sound. What should I do about it? Should I try fixing this somehow or RMA the card and hope that the problem along with the many other ones may go away?" - quoted from me. I guess the heat is normal. But it does limit me almost completely from overclocking as if I go any higher my temps will shoot above 80*C while gaming which is terrible.
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February 17, 2012 8:13:11 PM

Kari said:
normal for reference desings, that card has custom cooler with 2 fans on it so the temps seem a bit high... or the cooler isn't as effective as it seems...

That's what I'm thinking but from other reviews of this card people are getting much better temps. So it might just be my card.
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February 17, 2012 8:19:29 PM

Why do you assume the inability to overclock is somehow the manufacturer's problem?

Does your card function at the rated speed?

Does your card stay below the maximum recommend temperature at the rated speed?

If you answered yes to both, I see no RMA based on temperature.

As for the buzzing sound, that could possibly be an RMA. But if I was the manufacturer, and I found aftermarket TIM on the GPU, I'd assume the customer was at fault for the buzzing/clicking/vibe. Sorry to be such a downer
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February 17, 2012 8:20:39 PM

Looking this entire post over, the temps you report may not be off at all. You can not say if they are high. What is the room ambient temperature? This makes a big difference. Your temps seem 5-10 degree C on the high side maybe. They seem inside the cards operating envelope. Your case and air flow are good. Do you get artifacts or crashes during game play? Did it crash during stress testing? From what you have said I am guessing the answer to the crashes is no. The stuttering is often due to the game calling new data from the HD to the memory Cache and is very common in games when moving in and out of areas. If the thing is making noise send it back. Most likely they will send a replacement with no problem. Otherwise keep it and enjoy your games. Please correct me but the problem besides the noise, is that you think the temps. should be lower. Not that there is an on going operational issue. Right now my 6950 is idling at 45C and that is normal to me.
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February 17, 2012 8:21:10 PM

cmcghee358 said:
Why do you assume the inability to overclock is somehow the manufacturer's problem?

Does your card function at the rated speed?

Does your card stay below the maximum recommend temperature at the rated speed?

If you answered yes to both, I see no RMA based on temperature.

As for the buzzing sound, that could possibly be an RMA. But if I was the manufacturer, and I found aftermarket TIM on the GPU, I'd assume the customer was at fault for the buzzing/clicking/vibe. Sorry to be such a downer

lol the buzzing noise has been going on even before I changed the TIM so it can't be my fault.
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February 17, 2012 8:21:28 PM

Kari said:
normal for reference desings, that card has custom cooler with 2 fans on it so the temps seem a bit high... or the cooler isn't as effective as it seems...


The card is advertised as having a more advanced cooling system, but it never states the anticipated temp, or any guarantee as to a maximum temperature.

You can't submit an RMA because something doesn't perform well in your opinion. It has to fall short of specifications.
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February 17, 2012 8:23:02 PM

Akhilcool said:
lol the buzzing noise has been going on even before I changed the TIM so it can't be my fault.


Re-read what I posted please.

I didn't say you made the buzzing sound.
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February 17, 2012 8:24:58 PM

Dogsnake said:
Looking this entire post over, the temps you report may not be off at all. You can not say if they are high. What is the room ambient temperature? This makes a big difference. Your temps seem 5-10 degree C on the high side maybe. They seem inside the cards operating envelope. Your case and air flow are good. Do you get artifacts or crashes during game play? Did it crash during stress testing? From what you have said I am guessing the answer to the crashes is no. The stuttering is often due to the game calling new data from the HD to the memory Cache and is very common in games when moving in and out of areas. If the thing is making noise send it back. Most likely they will send a replacement with no problem. Otherwise keep it and enjoy your games. Please correct me but the problem besides the noise, is that you think the temps. should be lower. Not that there is an on going operational issue. Right now my 6950 is idling at 45C and that is normal to me.

Very true, my ambient air temp however is cool because my PC is in my basement and the temp down here is currently 20*C (I live in Canada). And yes the temps could be lower but from what I've just read on this thread, I think it should be fine. My only real issue is the noise which definitely needs to be looked at by Sapphire.
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February 17, 2012 8:28:26 PM

cmcghee358 said:
Re-read what I posted please.

I didn't say you made the buzzing sound.

Yes I know what you said, that regardless of the fact that if the TIM was the reason for the noise or not, even if I still put it on, Sapphire wouldn't want to lose money by replacing my card when they could just blame me for the noise because I changed the TIM. Yet I don't think they would do that as they may be more than happy to just replace the card if I explain to them that this problem has been ongoing since I bought the card.
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February 17, 2012 8:32:37 PM

No you still missed it.

No one would think TIM causes a buzz/click/sound, that's obsurd.

But to apply the TIM requires some amount of disassmbly of the cooling mechanism, which is making an unusual sound.

If I was Sapphire, I'd assume you damaged the product when you voided the warranty doing maintenance to the card.
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February 17, 2012 8:35:42 PM

cmcghee358 said:
No you still missed it.

No one would think TIM causes a buzz/click/sound, that's obsurd.

But to apply the TIM requires some amount of disassmbly of the cooling mechanism, which is making an unusual sound.

If I was Sapphire, I'd assume you damaged the product when you voided the warranty doing maintenance to the card.

Yes that's what I meant. That through the process of taking off the heatsink and fan and applying the new TIM and then replacing the heatsink and fan may have damaged the card causing the noise. But that wasn't the case and I would explain it to them.
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February 17, 2012 8:37:33 PM

Well good luck. I am just trying to be realistic. I hope I'm wrong, as I am not rooting against you at all, although it might have come out that way.
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February 17, 2012 8:43:28 PM

cmcghee358 said:
Well good luck. I am just trying to be realistic. I hope I'm wrong, as I am not rooting against you at all, although it might have come out that way.

lol I know thanks for your help :)  Also, when I play games using V-Sync my fps drops like crazy. Do you know why?
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February 17, 2012 8:46:56 PM

You are getting some bad info here. The GPU is not smaller on a 5670 due to it being a lower end card. I believe they use the same size die altho i could be wrong, not only that, if it is different the 6870 would be smaller, it is newer. Just cause someone else gets better temps on the same card doesnt mean anything. You have no idea what conditions they are getting these readings under. Sometimes just cause it has a larger cooler doesnt mean its better. Your cooling solution throws heat back into the case, not out of the back, could be why you have higher temps. If you are using this as an excuse to return the card cause you f'ed it up, well thats entirely another situation. They wont RMA it cause your temps are normal. Sorry.
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February 17, 2012 8:52:33 PM

the buzzing might be coil whine, which in itself isn't harmfull or lethal, annoying yes... some manufs accept rmas because of it while others dont. mine asus 5770 has been doing it in some games for 2 years now, typically in menus when the fps is really high like in the thousands, forcing vsync has eliminated it completely (when it works)...
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February 17, 2012 8:54:26 PM

vrumor said:
You are getting some bad info here. The GPU is not smaller on a 5670 due to it being a lower end card. I believe they use the same size die altho i could be wrong, not only that, if it is different the 6870 would be smaller, it is newer. Just cause someone else gets better temps on the same card doesnt mean anything. You have no idea what conditions they are getting these readings under. Sometimes just cause it has a larger cooler doesnt mean its better. Your cooling solution throws heat back into the case, not out of the back, could be why you have higher temps. If you are using this as an excuse to return the card cause you f'ed it up, well thats entirely another situation. They wont RMA it cause your temps are normal. Sorry.

Yeah I figured but I'm currently not wishing to RMA it for those reasons, I want to RMA it because it is making a buzzing noise when the fan is boosted to 100% from 30%. That has been occurring since I bought the card.
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February 17, 2012 8:55:38 PM

Akhilcool said:
lol I know thanks for your help :)  Also, when I play games using V-Sync my fps drops like crazy. Do you know why?


It's probably because the card is syncing it's frames to your monitor's refresh rate?

That is the purpose of Vsync...

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February 17, 2012 8:56:12 PM

vrumor said:
You are getting some bad info here. The GPU is not smaller on a 5670 due to it being a lower end card. I believe they use the same size die altho i could be wrong, .

quick google
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The Radeon 5670's die measures just 104 square millimeters.

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Specifications: AMD Radeon HD 6870. Interface, PCI-E 2.1 16x. Fabrication Process, 40 nm. Transistor Count, 1700 million. Die Size, 255 mm2

so quite a lot of difference in size...
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February 17, 2012 8:56:33 PM

I get coil whine in stress testing, rarely in games unless it's a menu that doesn't bother to vsync and I'm at 3200fps (STALKER:CoP lol).

Anyway, 70C isn't bad. Plus, have you tried turning the GPU fan speed up?
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February 17, 2012 8:58:32 PM

Akhilcool said:
Yeah I figured but I'm currently not wishing to RMA it for those reasons, I want to RMA it because it is making a buzzing noise when the fan is boosted to 100% from 30%. That has been occurring since I bought the card.

oh the buzzing is caused by the fan, so it's not coil whine that I was talking about ^^
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February 17, 2012 8:58:41 PM

Kari said:
the buzzing might be coil whine, which in itself isn't harmfull or lethal, annoying yes... some manufs accept rmas because of it while others dont. mine asus 5770 has been doing it in some games for 2 years now, typically in menus when the fps is really high like in the thousands, forcing vsync has eliminated it completely (when it works)...

Yeah however my problem is not related to the games I play unless I play a game that immediately requires the fan to go to around 80-100% . I noticed it when I manually cranked the fan up to 100% from its idle speed of 30%. It made a very brief 2 second noise that sounded like a buzz.
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February 17, 2012 9:01:25 PM

Akhilcool said:
It made a very brief 2 second noise that sounded like a buzz.
so it isn't constant noise?

I wouldn't worry about it then...
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February 17, 2012 9:02:53 PM

cmcghee358 said:
It's probably because the card is syncing it's frames to your monitor's refresh rate?

That is the purpose of Vsync...

LOL you seem to misunderstand my replies a lot :na:  What I mean is that when I turn on V-Sync the average fps I have is much, much lower than normal. For example if I'm playing a game and the fps ranges from 35-70 fps, I turn on V-Sync so I don't get screen tearing from the excessive fps ( my monitor is 60hz) What I expect is that the max now becomes 60 fps and the minimum is around the same, yet instead the range of fps becomes 15-45 fps .
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February 17, 2012 9:04:06 PM

Kari said:
so it isn't constant noise?

I wouldn't worry about it then...

Oh alright just wanted to make sure it wasn't going to damage my card in the long run.
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February 17, 2012 9:06:02 PM

wolfram23 said:
I get coil whine in stress testing, rarely in games unless it's a menu that doesn't bother to vsync and I'm at 3200fps (STALKER:CoP lol).

Anyway, 70C isn't bad. Plus, have you tried turning the GPU fan speed up?

Yes I created my own fan profile that became very noisy. So I put it back on automatic. The thing is even if I run my fan constantly at 100% instead of auto, I only get about 4*C of a difference in temps when under full load so I figured I'd leave it at auto as the temp changes aren't dramatic (auto at peak temp runs fan at 60% which means a temp change of 4*C is miniscule compared to the difference in fan speeds) and it runs way quieter. :) 
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February 17, 2012 9:39:28 PM

If you are only getting a 4C difference from 30% to 100% you have a temperature problem with your computer case, not the fan.

If you can notice an audible increase from 30-100% that proves the fan is moving more air, but if the air is hot in the case, the added flow across the GPU won't significantly lower the temperature.

So either your case has poor airflow, or more likely, your case has incorrect airflow(not optimized)
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February 17, 2012 9:46:56 PM

Time for an open-case photo! ;) 
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February 18, 2012 2:11:53 PM

I just played The Witcher 2 for 15 min using an amped profile and yet I still got temps of 75*C. They are very much on the high side so I hope my case pics help in determining if cooling set up is good and what-not.
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February 18, 2012 2:15:25 PM

Maybe someday youll get the fact that that is normal. The Witcher 2 is a graphically intensive title. 75c is well within the operating boundaries of modern day video cards.
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February 18, 2012 2:20:29 PM

vrumor said:
Maybe someday youll get the fact that that is normal. The Witcher 2 is a graphically intensive title. 75c is well within the operating boundaries of modern day video cards.

Well I was asked to put an open case photo and if you read my past 5 comments than you might get the fact that it isn't normal for my GPU to only decrease in temps by 4*C when the fan is goes to 100% from 30%.
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February 18, 2012 2:23:28 PM

It is normal for any GPU under intense load to hit 70-75c. Whether it only goes up 4c or not, its still not getting hot enough to cause issues. You are trying to solve a problem that is not fixable, unless you move to another cooling solution. But it may be just as fun for you to come to a forum and try and fix a phantom issue rather than enjoying the system you just built :)  Just my opinion.
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February 18, 2012 2:23:54 PM

If there is a problem with my PC configuration that I've shown in 4 pictures, than by fixing it I might be able to maximize my cooling a bit more. BTW I am running on STOCK clock settings so it even makes it impossible to overclock at all. Not that all cards are meant to be overclocked, but I think there may be something wrong.
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February 18, 2012 2:26:41 PM

There is no gaurantee ANYWHERE that you will get better speeds or performances by OCing. The 6870 is basically a glorified 5830, it is a decent mid range card, nothing more, nothing less. Just cause others have achieved some results, doesnt mean you will, not being an ass, but you are wasting your time trying to track down a problem that doesnt exist.
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February 18, 2012 2:41:21 PM

I hope so. Any ways does everyone else share the same opinion?
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