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April 26, 2012 4:39:56 AM

Hey guys, I'm trying to build a desktop geared toward gaming. It's the first time I've done this so have been researching for a while on these forums and have a basic outline of what I was thinking. I was hoping to start ordering around June 1st. I am also hoping that the new Ivy Bridge and new NIVDIA GTX 660 will be out by then. Here's what i have so far.


Approximate Purchase Date: June 1st

Budget Range: 800-1000

System Usage from Most to Least Important: gaming and school (engineering)

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS

Country: U.S.

Overclocking: maybe a little bit?

SLI or Crossfire: No

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080

Additional Comments: would like it to relatively quiet, in my price range, and be able to last me 4 years playing smoothly at max settings (e.g. Diablo 3)




Computer Build

Mother Board
Z77 - $140
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813157293

CPU
i5- 2500K - $220
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115072

i5- 3570K? - ? April 29 $225?

GPU
(looking to play D3 and other new games on max setting for around 4 years)
GTX 660 - $260 ish range May 15?
HD 7850 - $260
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6814121623


Case
COOLER MASTER Storm Enforcer -$90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 20Enforcer

Power Supply
(will this be enough for what I've got so far?)
Seasonic M12II 620 bronze - $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6817151095

Hard Drives
(was thinking SSD for OS and games, then HDD for storage)
HDD
Seagate Barracuda ST3000DM001 3TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" - $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148844

SSD
SAMSUNG 830 Series MZ-7PC128D/AM 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) Desktop Upgrade Kit - $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820147137

Memory

G. skills ripjaws series 16GB (4x4) - $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820231315

Optical Drive

Asus DvD burner - $19
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6827135204

Wireless adapter card
Any - $30

Thanks in advance,
Alex

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a b 4 Gaming
April 26, 2012 4:41:05 AM

Everything is great! That PSU is enough power.
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April 26, 2012 4:53:34 AM

Only think I would change is the CPU to the IVY Bridge version which will be out by then. Whichever GPU is better is the one you get. You won't be able to use 16GB in most cases and 8GB should be more than enough. Just a side note your links don't work.
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a c 295 4 Gaming
April 26, 2012 5:19:14 AM

That will be an excellent build - there's nothing I would change except - and I don't know how accurate this is - is that the 660TI will not debut in the sub-$300 range but more in the $300 - $400 range to compete with the higher-end 7870 and 7950. Again - I don't know how accurate this is, it's purely speculation.
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April 26, 2012 6:03:35 AM

Thanks guys. A couple more quick questions.

1) why won't it be able to use the 16GB?

2) how would I incorporate the wireless component?

3) are there any other costs I'm not taking into account? (ex. any wires or connects?)

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April 26, 2012 10:07:59 AM

I was also curious if overclocking would be worth it in my case. And if so, would it require extra cooling?
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a b 4 Gaming
April 26, 2012 10:31:22 AM

hopz said:
I was also curious if overclocking would be worth it in my case. And if so, would it require extra cooling?

Either one of these cpu coolers will suffice for a nice mild over clock.

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-RR-212E-2... $34.95 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler (RR-212E-20PK-R2)

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-Sleeve-RR-B10... $24.77 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler, RR-B10-212P-G1
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a b 4 Gaming
April 26, 2012 10:42:18 AM

Why_Me..... about the motherboard choice. I am in the same boat as this buyer, and I'm gonna buy
the Extreme instead of the Pro4. I was told that the GOLD CAPS were worth the extra $10-15 to cuz
of vastly improved quality.

Hopz.... a lot of your choices are similar to mine. I too am playing the waiting game. One thing that is
different is that I'm going with a 560Ti Twin Frozr. Seems to be enough for the next 2-3 years to play
games at High Settings. I think 2-3 years is more reasonable than 4. I think most people that build
a system like this probably like to constantly improve and tweak things.
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April 26, 2012 11:48:36 AM

Why_Me said:
Either one of these cpu coolers will suffice for a nice mild over clock.

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-RR-212E-2... $34.95 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler (RR-212E-20PK-R2)

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-Hyper-Sleeve-RR-B10... $24.77 & eligible for FREE Super Saver Shipping on orders over $25
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler, RR-B10-212P-G1



Would you recommend overclocking for my build to play games at the top settings smoothly?
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April 26, 2012 11:51:58 AM

envy14tpe said:
Why_Me..... about the motherboard choice. I am in the same boat as this buyer, and I'm gonna buy
the Extreme instead of the Pro4. I was told that the GOLD CAPS were worth the extra $10-15 to cuz
of vastly improved quality.

Hopz.... a lot of your choices are similar to mine. I too am playing the waiting game. One thing that is
different is that I'm going with a 560Ti Twin Frozr. Seems to be enough for the next 2-3 years to play
games at High Settings. I think 2-3 years is more reasonable than 4. I think most people that build
a system like this probably like to constantly improve and tweak things.



It's nice to know that someone is in the same boat as me. And I also heard the Extreme was worth the upgrade, but wasn't completely sure.

The 560Ti Twin Frozr is basically the NVIDA version of the 7850?
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a b 4 Gaming
April 26, 2012 11:53:44 AM

hopz said:
Would you recommend overclocking for my build to play games at the top settings smoothly?

With your resolution and a 7850, a mild o/c wouldn't hurt. It would give you a little extra FPS. You can get a decent o/c without messing with the voltage.
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April 26, 2012 11:57:53 AM

Why_Me said:
With your resolution and a 7850, a mild o/c wouldn't hurt. It would give you a little extra FPS. You can get a decent o/c without messing with the voltage.


Awesome thank you. Would you happen to know a good link or somewhere where I could find out how exactly to do that? And I can do that with just the normal Ivy Bridge i5 3570k?
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a b 4 Gaming
April 26, 2012 12:03:57 PM

hopz said:
Awesome thank you. Would you happen to know a good link or somewhere where I could find out how exactly to do that? And I can do that with just the normal Ivy Bridge i5 3570k?

Ivy Bridge won't be officially released yet until this weekend. It's a new chip so you want to run at stock speeds for a month or two until people get it down. After a month you will see god only knows how many threads on o/c that cpu on this board and many others. The "K" after the 3570 means it's unlocked and that it can be over clocked so your good to go with that cpu.
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April 26, 2012 12:16:27 PM

Why_Me said:
Ivy Bridge won't be officially released yet until this weekend. It's a new chip so you want to run at stock speeds for a month or two until people get it down. After a month you will see god only knows how many threads on o/c that cpu on this board and many others. The "K" after the 3570 means it's unlocked and that it can be over clocked so your good to go with that cpu.



That clarifies a lot on overclocking, thank you! Do you have any opinion on GPUs? Still not sure if the NVIDA 660 will be out by June when I want to start ordering. So was thinking of the 7850, but have read a lot that NVIDA was better for blizzard games, so was also thinking of MSI N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II. Was leaning more towards 7850 just because I've heard more people mention it and recommend it.
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April 26, 2012 12:28:27 PM

If your really worried about overclocking you can use the programs that come with asus. it can overclock it for you in windows safely and all you will have to do is click one button.
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April 26, 2012 12:32:04 PM

burton88 said:
If your really worried about overclocking you can use the programs that come with asus. it can overclock it for you in windows safely and all you will have to do is click one button.


Oh cool, thank you. Would I still need to worry about the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler in that case then?

http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Maste [...] =pd_cp_e_0 $34.95 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO CPU Cooler (RR-212E-20PK-R2)
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a b 4 Gaming
April 26, 2012 7:57:43 PM

I would just OC in the BIOS as it is more accurate.
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April 26, 2012 11:46:04 PM

azeem40 said:
I would just OC in the BIOS as it is more accurate.




K thanks, I'll look into that. do you know what OC speed i would need to start adding extra cooling?
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a b 4 Gaming
April 26, 2012 11:48:36 PM

After 4 GHz.
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a b 4 Gaming
April 27, 2012 1:19:06 AM

hopz said:
I"m also having some trouble pick cases. I want one that can hopefully keep my system cool with stock setting, that is big enough, and that is relatively quiet.

Here are the 3 i'm looking at.

COOLER MASTER Storm Enforcer -$90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec Twelve Hundred
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Corsair Carbide Series 500R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Carbide-Series-Gaming-Com... $99.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Corsair Carbide Series 400R Mid Tower Gaming Computer Case - CC-9011011-WW

http://www.corsair.com/pc-cases/carbide-series-pc-case/... <----- another look at that case

http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-Carbide-Series-Gaming-CC-... $116.16 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping
Corsair Carbide Series 500R Mid Tower Gaming Case CC-9011012-WW

http://www.corsair.com/pc-cases/carbide-series-pc-case/... <----- another look at that case
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April 27, 2012 3:35:42 AM

I was originally thinking of ordering parts starting in June. Would it be smart to order all my parts at once then? Or slowly start ordering parts that are on sale now? while still waiting for the Ivy Bridge and possible the new NVIDA 660?
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a b 4 Gaming
April 27, 2012 3:39:17 AM

hopz said:
I was originally thinking of ordering parts starting in June. Would it be smart to order all my parts at once then? Or slowly start ordering parts that are on sale now? while still waiting for the Ivy Bridge and possible the new NVIDA 660?

Order them all at once. Prices on hard drives and SSD's continually drop while new tech will be released.
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a b 4 Gaming
April 27, 2012 3:49:55 AM

Hopz. I would wait until almost everything has been released. For one, you'll have to wait at least 2 weeks to get an Ivy i5. And it seems the new Kepler series GPUs won't be for a while yet, and when they do come out they might be the high end ones, and the 660 will be later this year...i assume that means Fall. Can you wait that long? I can wait until mid May, then it'll be driving me nutz and I'll need to finally get my build. And the build centers on the GPU.
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April 27, 2012 5:37:41 AM

Maybe if the new GPU will take until fall I won't wait for them. I can't wait that long. But i don't need all my stuff still June 18th, which is when I want to have it done. So I was thinking of ordering June 1st. But saw a couple things on sale like an SSD, which I know I would need regardless of other components.
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a b 4 Gaming
April 27, 2012 5:41:50 AM

The 670 should be out by early June I think.
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April 27, 2012 6:45:03 AM

azeem40 said:
The 670 should be out by early June I think.



Do you have any idea about the 660?
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May 5, 2012 12:40:40 PM

Hey guys, I've changed my build up a little bit. But have decided to go with the NVIDA GTX 680. But was wondering what the difference was between all the brands, they all seem the same to me. And if you had any recommendations.

Here is my build so far, just hopefully swapping out the 7850 for the 680.

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx...

Thanks,
Alex
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May 7, 2012 11:57:23 AM

I am trying to finalize my build, but just heard a "bare drive" for an HDD doesn't come with any of the necessary components to hook it up to the motherboard. I was wondering if there was true, and if so could you recommend another 2-3TB HDD that is good and comes with the stuff to hook it up.

Thanks,
Alex

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a b 4 Gaming
May 7, 2012 12:55:05 PM

To use a HDD you need a SATA data cable, which usually come with the motherboard. From the look of the newegg product page and pictures the Z77 Extreme4 comes with four SATA cables. You also need a SATA power cable, which comes from the PSU and is standard.

If you are looking to make a quiet build I would suggest going with a different CPU cooler as the Hyper 212 Evo has a very high maximum fan speed. (900-2000RPM)

Scythe Ninja 3 SCNJ-3000 $41
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=61486&vpn=SCNJ-3000&ma...
Which has a fan speed range of 470-1340/740-1900RPM. So you can actually select a lower maximum speed.

Or
Logisys MC4002IW Ice Wind $32 ($4 shipping)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(900-1500RPM)
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May 7, 2012 1:09:35 PM

That is really good to know, thank you. Do you know what kind of cable I'll need to hook up the SSD? and if that comes with the motherboard as well?

And if I'm not planning on overclocking my i5 IB right away, but possibly in the future, would it be better to install a cooler now? or just wait?
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a b 4 Gaming
May 7, 2012 2:55:47 PM

SSDs use the same cables that HDDs do.

There are pros and cons to both courses of action in regards to installing a CPU cooler now or later when you 'need' it.
  • You get lower noise and temps now. Maybe you appreciate the lower temps and noise if you wait and install one later.
  • Installing it straight away is both a pro and a con because you have extra hassle now, but might save a bit of hassle later.
  • You might have better choices, and/or lower prices if you wait, but then again good coolers that are available now might not be available anymore if you wait.
  • Maybe you are willing to spend more on a cooler when the purchase is in isolation rather than when spending a lot on an entire build as well.

    Something I forgot to mention before is that the Scythe Ninja 3 is the sort of cooler where it is better not to use RAM with tall heatspreaders as there is a risk that it will interfere with them.
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    May 7, 2012 11:23:51 PM

    K thanks, do motherboards generally come with more then one SATA cable? If not how much does one normally cost?

    If I install the CPU cooler and don't overclock, would there be in downside other then the little extra money and noise? would it help cool the other components at all?
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    May 8, 2012 2:18:19 AM

    If I do overclock my i5 IB to around 4 or 4.2, would my cooler be sufficient to keep it cool enough? Sorry have never done any overclocking before.
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    a b 4 Gaming
    May 8, 2012 2:49:32 AM

    Yes, it will be just fine.
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    May 8, 2012 3:01:16 AM

    azeem40 said:
    Yes, it will be just fine.


    k good to know, thanks.
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    May 8, 2012 3:29:15 AM

    Yes normally a motherboard comes with at least two SATA cables to hook up the HDD's and optical drives. They are all under $5 though if you had to buy more. I would just stick with the hyper 212 EVO, and then if you ever do overclock there will be no worries. It should help with the general airflow within the case a bit but not all that much.
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    May 8, 2012 3:32:02 AM

    Awesome! thank you very much!
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    May 11, 2012 12:08:29 AM

    Best answer selected by Hopz.
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