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January 22, 2013 11:31:38 PM

I was just informed that win8 was a "good" OS and that I should not suggest otherwise, so the ? should I suggest otherwise??

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a b * Windows 8
January 22, 2013 11:36:01 PM

Hi :) 

Your Poll should have included >> ITS WORSE THAN VISTA.... that would have won lol...

I have been in the computer business for 30 plus years.... take my word ...IT IS GOING TO FAIL...



All the best Brett :) 
January 22, 2013 11:42:40 PM

Yeah, I was shocked when I commented that win 8 was not a good idea for a new build, ok I said it SUCKED, and was admonished and asked to "prove" my wild "accusation", his choice in all seriousness was "It's so good the guy in charge "left" on his own".
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January 22, 2013 11:43:24 PM

The right click context is the best thing EVER put in an os, when ever a nube asks me how? right click and look is about 99% effective, how did removing in ever make it out of the building, stupefying..
January 22, 2013 11:49:14 PM

I have NEVER had as much trouble with an os as win8, it took all my guile and whit to just to get it working in a vhd. Getting on to a hard drive directly, nope every which way nope. So I'm trying out the vhd and tho only thing I find myself doing is trying to restore functionally that's just a reboot away, sooo.. reboot.. delete.. bub bye win8..
a b * Windows 8
January 23, 2013 12:00:51 AM

I do not see what is THAT bad about it.

It is the basic Win7(that is an enhanced version of Vista. I personally never had a single issue with Vista as long as I did not count Nvidia's awful drivers.) Just with "Start Screen" instead.

Do I think it will be popular? No. People are very resistant to change. People reacted the same way when Win95 added the start menu.

I much prefer the Ubuntu transparent non full screen launcher(includes the same basic features as the Start screen but not full screen.)

The overall performance is very near the same(a bit faster at some things a bit slower at others.).

I see no reason to Like or Hate it. You just use it to run what ever program you want.
January 23, 2013 12:04:21 AM

The os should be like good woman, seen and not heard, and willing to do anything you ask of it with a smile..
January 23, 2013 12:09:57 AM

nukemaster said:
I do not see what is THAT bad about it.

It is the basic Win7(that is an enhanced version of Vista. I personally never had a single issue with Vista as long as I did not count Nvidia's awful drivers.) Just with "Start Screen" instead.

Do I think it will be popular? No. People are very resistant to change. People reacted the same way when Win95 added the start menu.

I much prefer the Ubuntu transparent non full screen launcher(includes the same basic features as the Start screen but not full screen.)

The overall performance is very near the same(a bit faster at some things a bit slower at others.).

I see no reason to Like or Hate it. You just use it to run what ever program you want.


Add, well not add just put back at least the option of a start button/bar and the right click context, removing for me what is, or in win8 was, the core of how I interact with a computer is CRAZY..
a b * Windows 8
January 23, 2013 2:39:21 AM

You can right click(context) in Metro, it is just VERY limited(and on the bottom of the screen). it still works in explorer and stuff.

I am in the same board to decide if I should grab some copies of Win7 for people who refuse change or even some of my own future builds(I do miss the Start menu and Aero glass look, but only notice it sometimes, the rest of the time, the programs are just running like normal).
January 23, 2013 2:52:59 AM

I spent a lot of time getting my right click PERFECT, right click on any file and search google, pirate bay, porn tube any search engine I chose, select a 100's mp3's sort into directory's by first letter, date, meta tags whatever, you can pry my right mouse button from my cold dead hand..
a b * Windows 8
January 23, 2013 3:04:58 AM

can you please elaborate?

I seem to be able to sort files just like Win7. Only the start screen seems limited in that aspect, but you do right click to bring up options like Run as Admin/Un-install ect.

Are you using some 3rd party software to search from files on your computer(added context menu)?
January 23, 2013 3:32:19 AM

My right click is custom central, better file rename and Creative Element Power Tools are 2 of the main ones, power tools will not just "sort" but "distribute" into directory's, creating them if needed, so highlight a thousand files and send into newly created dirs a-z/0-9 in seconds, very slick. I used win8 some, lets open say internet explorer bam "full screen jail" where it seem no click is good enough to get out, I mean right click, exit is too much to ask for?? Why upgrade to a new os that REFUSES to be customized in a simple, reasonable manner?
January 23, 2013 3:43:19 AM

You want to upgrade windows here add the FREE stuff to it you see on this page.. http://www.creativelement.com/powertools/

MS should bee embarrassed that after 20 years one guy in a garage can give away what, 25-30? improvements that are not tweaks for tweaks sake, be real improvements in functionality and usability..

And MS should post this over the door..

"In addition to the specific tools designed to improve productivity thoughout Windows, there are several features you'll find in all parts of Creative Element Power Tools. All your settings are saved so you don't have to type them in every time. All dialogs and windows remember their size and position, so you don't have to move and resize them every time you open them. In short, every part of the package is designed with care to be as useful and efficient as possible, without the annoyances found in so many other products."
January 23, 2013 3:59:53 AM

This is a trolling thread.
For others who might read it, use the OS and decide for yourself.

The differences in the UI can be a bit of an adjustment and there is a learning curve, but the native features added far outweigh the difficulties of learning to use the new OS if you're willing to put in the time.

Still, like with anything else, there will be people who prefer what they're used to, and those who will adopt the newer tech (I'm surprised at how often I still hear people advocate for XP).

If Windows 8 isn't for you, as it won't be for everyone, there's always OS X and Linux. Ubuntu Unity is a nice, simple OS that's completely free.
a b * Windows 8
January 23, 2013 4:06:38 AM

The issue you have with IE is because IE Metro was the default browser.

The other is just a Windows lacking in general.

Very cool software pack either way.

Funny thing is all my posts have been from Win8.
January 23, 2013 4:10:35 AM

This is NOT a "trolling thread", when I gave my opinion in another thread a that spending 1/4 of his budget on win 8 that he should reconsider that, ok I said sucked and wondered if other people really did like it, and well so far I'm wrong more likes than dislikes, I would have NEVER guessed that..
January 23, 2013 4:16:37 AM

nukemaster said:
The issue you have with IE is because IE Metro was the default browser.

The other is just a Windows lacking in general.

Very cool software pack either way.

Funny thing is all my posts have been from Win8.



People have things they can't/won't live without so if you install 8 you lose what I consider core functionality. I was over the "win 8 experience" just trying to get back what I would have had in a clean win7 install, let alone getting to actually adding my personal customizations
a b * Windows 8
January 23, 2013 4:21:12 AM

scottfree1 said:
This is NOT a "trolling thread", when I gave my opinion in another thread a that spending 1/4 of his budget on win 8 that he should reconsider that, ok I said sucked and wondered if other people really did like it, and well so far I'm wrong more likes than dislikes, I would have NEVER guessed that..


This thread is definitely walking the trolling line. I'll leave it open for now, but these threads more often than not wind up becoming flame wars. As long as the participants here can have a rational discussion for and against Windows 8, we won't touch it. If things get out of hand, the thread will be locked, and we may take other moderation action as well depending on the circumstances.
January 23, 2013 4:29:22 AM

aramisathei said:
This is a trolling thread.
For others who might read it, use the OS and decide for yourself.

The differences in the UI can be a bit of an adjustment and there is a learning curve, but the native features added far outweigh the difficulties of learning to use the new OS if you're willing to put in the time.

Still, like with anything else, there will be people who prefer what they're used to, and those who will adopt the newer tech (I'm surprised at how often I still hear people advocate for XP).

If Windows 8 isn't for you, as it won't be for everyone, there's always OS X and Linux. Ubuntu Unity is a nice, simple OS that's completely free.


So people should give ms $100 to "upgrade" and for this they should "adjust" to microsoft, and if they're not willing to put up with microsoft's "learning curve" they should go somewhere else?

Bill? Is that you Mr Gates?? What an honor Bill Gates has joined in on our little discussion..

Is this to far? I'm really not trying to "troll" fun yes, troll no..
January 23, 2013 4:41:36 AM

Lets take a look at MS and there trend with new OS`s.
Well start with windows 98, sort of got away with it.
Windows 2000, ME sunk like a ship with most people.
Windows XP, bloody hell it works quiet well.
Windows Vista, a bit of a Dogs dinner, very messy.
Windows 7, thats more like it, lets Ditch Vista.

Its no wonder windows 8 gets a bit of a slating by some people.
But if you note for every Os Ms has made it goes on a solid cycle from a case of Hit, Miss, Hit.
So we will see what windows 9 gives us.

And more likely it will be Favorited over windows 8.
January 23, 2013 4:49:59 AM

weaselman said:

Its no wonder windows 8 gets a bit of a slating by some people.
But if you note for every Os Ms has made it goes on a solid cycle from a case of Hit, Miss, Hit.
So we will see what windows 9 gives us.

And more likely it will be Favorited over windows 8.


It would have been an easy "fix" would you like to start with "legacy mode" while we show you what win8 can do? Or go straight to our "exciting" all new metro ui? Actually could have been easier don't REMOVE functionality that hundreds of millions of people have learned to use and come to rely on..
January 23, 2013 5:04:02 AM

Have you seen the new corvette microsoft edition? No steering wheel, they decided it was obsolete and it was time for a new "UI" whether you like it or not. One more thing the "blue screen" is now red, don't ask why, but could we have moment of silence for our beta testers..
January 23, 2013 5:05:12 AM

Yes Scottfree1,

If only MS had not forgotten the golden rule, offer us the Choice, to select windows 7 style UI as a fallback, than trying to force Metro on us. That in a sense is what cooked MS`s goose with windows 8 in my mind. Its one of my soar points with them like you say. It took Star Dock 8 to give people the option to get shot of it, in favor of the well known UI layout people grew so well with, and brought up with it from the last few Os releases.It was insane not to offer that option in windows 8.
I suspect it, like it or not it does affect sales of windows 8.

You can bet your life windows 9 will give you that option no doubt straight off the bat after installing it.
January 23, 2013 5:13:26 AM

At least for anyone tech savy it goes on dual boot/vhd until you trust it enough to rely on, so f-off win8 is a reboot and delete key away, the only people in trouble are builders/oems who are forced to use it on new builds, and sorry I'm the only who builds my computer..
January 23, 2013 5:23:29 AM

Is Windows 8 already a failure? Windows 8 Sales Well Below Projections, Plenty of Blame to Go Around.. The canning of Steven Sinofsky head of win8 developement 15 days after the launch of Windows 8 could signal the start of Microsoft dealing with lukewarm reception..

http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/windows-8-sales-well-...

The headline is from couple story's but you get the jist..
January 23, 2013 5:26:24 AM

Yeah I see your point, you get the choice where as if you bought a laptop today, it will most likely have windows 8 Installed Via OEM vendors.
Like you said if you build your own system at least you get a choice of the Os you wish to install. And I agree with your point Again you have the Choice, It would of been easy for MS to see that point though would it not. By making sure you had a Choice to choose the UI style. yet MS blames the hardware vendors ect.
How short sighted, not to think its the OS on the system that is cutting the sales of windows. 8. And putting people off buying a system with it on. Ms your the route cause. Plonkers. For not giving the simplest thing in the world, a choice. Of UI selection.

How is it, it takes one person to point it out, scratch that maybe a few million people, to say it would of been a more clever Idea to capture more market sales of the OS. Next Time they will Listen, if windows 8 fails on sales due to it.

I have no doubt it does effect sales of laptops ect, by none tech savvy people.
Who simply don`t like windows 8, or the look of it preferring the old style of UI.

So it may put them off buying the said laptop just due to the OS installed.
January 23, 2013 5:39:53 AM

They think tablets are the "future" and that everyone wants needs the "tablet experience" no one told them all the cool kids bought macs/ipads long ago and ain't coming home. Ms your customers are buying a tool not a toy, and you don't f-with a mans tools..
January 23, 2013 5:42:27 AM

LOL good point.
January 23, 2013 6:01:31 AM

I know I'm a curmudgeon but facebook/twitter omg what the f is going with this world? The only time I want to see what kim k is having for breakfast is if she's bent over the table and breakfast is making it tough to breath, otherwise please GO AWAY.
a b * Windows 8
January 23, 2013 6:18:51 AM

Brett928S2 said:
Hi :) 

Your Poll should have included >> ITS WORSE THAN VISTA.... that would have won lol...

I have been in the computer business for 30 plus years.... take my word ...IT IS GOING TO FAIL...



All the best Brett :) 



Fail? That's not the right word for Windows 8 progress, more along the lines of unnecessary.

Windows 8 offers no incentive to make people want to upgrade, and it has metro which confuses people even though it's actually incredibly simple to use.

For a new PC only with the normal desktop it's worth getting though thanks to Start8\Classic Shell.

January 23, 2013 6:55:18 AM

windows 8 is better than windows 7. it is easy to get windows 8 to behave exactly like windows 7. you never even have to look at metro.

windows 8 boots in half the time and has better memory management.
January 23, 2013 7:14:22 AM

scottfree1 said:
The os should be like good woman, seen and not heard, and willing to do anything you ask of it with a smile..


I absolutely agree. I would pay good money for an OS that does this. So far nobody has wanted to take my money.
January 23, 2013 7:22:48 AM

neon neophyte said:
windows 8 is better than windows 7. it is easy to get windows 8 to behave exactly like windows 7. you never even have to look at metro.

windows 8 boots in half the time and has better memory management.


Under the hood it's better than a mutli year old os, but how much is that really worth when I and lots of others run ssd/8gb systems that boot plenty fast and have more ram than they ever come close to using.

And if you replace the ui with 3rd party one yes you can hammer and cajole it into an imitation of win7, but when what 50/60/70%? of your user based hears you say all you need to do is "replace the shell with a 3rd party one to restore your old ui" you may as well be speaking martian to them..
January 23, 2013 7:32:31 AM

"install start 8."

overwhelming, i know /s
January 23, 2013 7:53:02 AM

Again I have to replace win8 to use win8? So $100 for mr. gates $5/$50 to stardock and I get marginally a faster star, and better memory management? Or do I have pay more people to get back what I already have?
January 23, 2013 7:54:37 AM

I can't believe there are so narrow-minded people out there, how do you not have a migraine?
January 23, 2013 8:03:38 AM

I'm very narrow minded, I like cars that run, girls that don't and upgrades that's aren't downgrades..
January 23, 2013 8:17:18 AM

you get an operating system that boots in half the time (thats huge.) installs in half the time. has better memory management and you have to install a 5 dollar program so it works exactly like you want, you lil whiner.
a b * Windows 8
January 23, 2013 8:55:00 AM

W8 is too big a shock on the average user and it doesn't come with an instruction manual.

other than that, it's useless...........

I don't know about you guys, but I'm not ready to give up the power of my desktop for smaller, hand held device, "operating systems".
January 23, 2013 9:04:20 AM

Win8 is an improvement in every way. The desktop still works the same. All the powershell "right click" menus still work the same. The Start menu goes full screen now. That's the only difference.

If you can't handle that, you should go buy an xbox. It's more your speed.
a b * Windows 8
January 23, 2013 9:38:35 AM

wow, and you don't even know me.
January 23, 2013 9:42:06 AM

Feel free to stick with Windows 7, says Consumer Reports

"Yes, you can use it with a mouse or touchpad, but it's designed to make you instinctively want to tap on the computer screen, and even swipe it," she wrote. "Without a touchscreen, reasons for upgrading an old system or buying a computer with Windows 8 become less compelling."

She also wrote that many Windows 8 drivers "still are not performing as well as expected."

"The need for vendors to update their Windows 8 drivers could explain the less-than-optimal performance," she said.

8 of 10 customers choose Windows 7 Given the choice' customers ignore Windows 8 and buy Windows 7 machines instead

an example from one of our gaming tests we’ll be looking at. Identical hardware and drivers; the only difference is Windows 7 vs Windows 8. The “frames per second” results were identical

Windows 8 does not run a particular operation any faster than Windows 7, Whether you love or hate the Metro UI (and again I’ll repeat that you can ignore it by installing Classic Shell), it’s pretty clear that enough performance improvements found their way into Windows 8 that it shouldn’t be automatically dismissed. At the very least, it’s good to know that if you do choose to upgrade, performance won’t suffer.

Wow, ringing endorsements, ok I won't automatically dismiss it I'll try it THEN dismiss it, but you keep new toy because at least it isn't slower than win7..
January 23, 2013 10:21:57 AM

So, I bought Bill's $40 upgrade. It was a fascinating experience.

I started by running Bill's "Compatibility program" from Arvato Digital to ensure that my PC would be compatible with Windows 8. Nevermind that I had been running Windows 8 since March of 2012 where I had a stable install. First, it was Developer's Preview, then , in August, it was the Release Preview. They worked great, I was learning to get along with Windows 8.

Then comes this "Compatibility program" from Arvato Digital. I run it (you must if you wish to buy the upgrade) and lo and behold, my PC blue screens. And it blue screens. And it blue screens. Thirty-nine times over the next 3 days. The PC won't stay running for more than 15 minutes.

Mind you, I got through the "Compatibility program" well enough for Bill to take my $40, only after the transaction was done did the system crash. And crash, and crash...

I finally got the POS downloaded after a call to MS support (India?) so here I am, downloading the ISO, crash, reboot, downloading the ISO, crash, reboot, downloading the... well, you get the idea. Finally, I get it totally downloaded and must burn it to a DVD. My crippled Windows 8 Release Preview got me through the burn on the very first try! Awesome!

My momma didn't raise no fool... I enter my Linux machine and burn a second copy JIC.

Well, the copy I burned with Windows 8 got to the "88% completion" point of building the files (what's to build? I've got a frickin' DVD with all the files!?!?) and it tells me that all of the files are not present, reinsert the media, blah, blah, blah.

I'm thinkin', "well, the download must not have been too coherent what with all the crashes and reboots", but I try the Linux burn and, WOW, it worked fine. The OS installed and asks me for my Secret Squirrel key. I enter the key and it tells me that it's an invalid key because Microsoft couldn't find a registered copy of any Microsoft OS on any of my drives.

Hello, Microsoft? Of course you couldn't find a registered copy, I just formatted over it so I could install this POS. Yes, deleted the partition, recreated it and formatted right-the-eff over it. Microsoft used to simply ask for the "full version" installation media in order to ascertain that you owned a full version of the software. I have these in spades from the last twenty years.

So here's the thing, I spent nearly $300 on a copy of Vista that I NEVER used. I installed it and promptly uninstalled it. Why couldn't I use that as my "proof of ownership"? Why couldn't Microsoft prompt me to insert THAT DVD during the install?

Microsoft, you only got $40 from me this time, but I've learned my lesson. I have been using Linux Mint (Maya, Lisa, Mate) concurrently for the past year and I truly believe it is time to wean myself from your money-sucking teat.

To the question, "Win8 failure or misunderstood?", I will say that it is a misunderstanding on Microsoft's part (of what users want) AND is a dismal failure.

NO good Consumer Experience to be had here.
a b * Windows 8
January 23, 2013 11:03:21 AM

I find it funny the people that get hung up on the Windows 8 Start Screen. You need to think of it as a super start menu that you can setup any way you want. Don't like the built in "Metro" apps; uninstall them. Have a program you run all the time; move it to the left of the start screen. With your common programs on the left of the strart screen it is one click to get to the program you want. Don't like the start screen - it is really easy to press the Desktop app or install the classic shell.

Once in Desktop mode the computer works just like Windows 7; just wihout the start menu and the annoying Aero translucent window borders are gone. The enhancement to the ribbon bars are great. The new task manager is so much better then Windows 7.

The new lock screen is a significant improvement to Windows 7. You can configure different "Metro" apps to update the lock screen. Got instant messages while you were away? The start screen lets you know how many you received. You can configure your calendar or weather app (plus others) to provide more information to the lock screen.

Have two screens? You can get themes that display a different background on each screen.

Have two (or more) computers with Windows 8? Many of your settings can be synced. Do you let the computer remember passwords? On your other computers it knows the same passwords. Desktop background and lock screen picture sync as well.

There are still some quirks. Using two monitors, only one can be used for "Metro" apps. Using border options on the desktop monitor swaps the metro apps to that window.
a b * Windows 8
January 23, 2013 12:45:59 PM

That's way I'm love windows 8. I can understand the guts. The slammers cannot compute the benefits of the OS, the proof is in your own statemets ROFLMAO. Seems the handful of wannbe's software experts, don't even understand how to use the OS. Your slamming isn't working.
WINDOWS 8 ROCKS
January 23, 2013 1:16:10 PM

aramisathei said:


Still, like with anything else, there will be people who prefer what they're used to, and those who will adopt the newer tech (I'm surprised at how often I still hear people advocate for XP).


Indeed, were it not for a chatastrophic machine failure last year, I would more than likely still be using XP.

The simple fact remains, that if an O/S meets the needs of the user, there is no reason whatsoever to upgrade, just because an alleged "newer" option is avalable.

Plus of course, learning a new O/S to an efficient standard needs an investment in time and effort. The new O/S has to offer a payback, for that time and effort.

Both my Laptop and my Desktop run Win7. I like the O/S have no problems with it all. I purchased/built both machines within a couple of weeks of the other, so the changes in O/S from XP were relevant to both machines, I had no real probs at all.

I will say this though, I would be VERY reluctant to upgrade my laptop (if needed) if it did not have 7 on it , I don't need or want , 2 different O/S's , so, I beleive that 8 , will, like Vista, stunt the sale of pre built Desktops and Laptops. We shall see.

Meanwhile, I look forward to the widespread take up of Unix/Linux by the onlime gamiong sites, that way, Its entirely possible 7 may be the last ever version of windows I'll use. Roll on the open source O/S
a b * Windows 8
January 23, 2013 1:27:48 PM

mahatmacoat said:
Indeed, were it not for a chatastrophic machine failure last year, I would more than likely still be using XP.

The simple fact remains, that if an O/S meets the needs of the user, there is no reason whatsoever to upgrade, just because an alleged "newer" option is avalable.

Plus of course, learning a new O/S to an efficient standard needs an investment in time and effort. The new O/S has to offer a payback, for that time and effort.

Both my Laptop and my Desktop run Win7. I like the O/S have no problems with it all. I purchased/built both machines within a couple of weeks of the other, so the changes in O/S from XP were relevant to both machines, I had no real probs at all.

I will say this though, I would be VERY reluctant to upgrade my laptop (if needed) if it did not have 7 on it , I don't need or want , 2 different O/S's , so, I beleive that 8 , will, like Vista, stunt the sale of pre built Desktops and Laptops. We shall see.

Meanwhile,
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I look forward to the widespread take up of Unix/Linux by the onlime gamiong sites, that way, Its entirely possible 7 may be the last ever version of windows I'll use. Roll on the open source O/S

I wish. Still using RED HAT
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January 23, 2013 1:28:51 PM

gomerpile said:
That's way I'm love windows 8, cuss you pep's don't have a clue how eradicate an OS. Seems the handful of wannbe's software experts, don't even understand how to use the OS. Your slamming isn't working.
WINDOWS 8 ROCKS


I thought you made a big deal of leaving (posting a farewell message) a week or so ago, and this only slightly incoherent post (insulting the majority or thread posters) isn't going to do you many favours either.

Not everyone is going to like the changes made in 8 just as not every one likes the changes in Unity or Gnome 3. Insulting them for what you perceive as a criticism of something you personally like smacks of fanboyism.

In the words of the late Michael Winner "Calm down dear, it's only and OS"
a b * Windows 8
January 23, 2013 1:30:40 PM

Quote:
I thought you made a big deal of leaving (posting a farewell message) a week or so ago, and this only slightly incoherent post (insulting the majority or thread posters) isn't going to do you many favours either.

Not everyone is going to like the changes made in 8 just as not every one likes the changes in Unity or Gnome 3. Insulting them for what you perceive as a criticism of something you personally like smacks of fanboyism.

In the words of the late Michael Winner "Calm down dear, it's only and OS"

It was a farewell to the testing of win 8 read the post clearer, people hear what they want to hear, and miss the statement of what is written. I don't see any insults in my post I'm sure if it was I'd be banned long time ago
January 23, 2013 2:11:35 PM

To hell with Windows h8! Huge failure, AWFUL interface, stupid engineers...what can I say...thank God we have full Windows 7 support until 2020. If Microsoft doesn't release anything else until 2020 I'll surely keep using Windows 7.
If by 2020, there's no better option, bye bye Microsoft and your STUPID screwed up operating system.(applicable on BOTH computers and phones (yeah, Windows Phone bullshit...android is heading the (right) Windows way, upgrading the user experience & the interface on mobile devices and Windows is going the dumb way towards Nokia phones from early 2000s - well done!) Screw you Microsoft!

I'll give up using their products if they keep releasing stupid software (newwest Office, Windows h8, Windows Phone...and all that!)

LE: Yes, I have Windows h8 on a secondary computer and I've been using it on that PC for quite some time now...that's how I know it's plain stupid - stupid enough that you can't even make the Computer icon show up on desktop without making a shortcut of it). Windows 7 is where it's at...Vista was various steps back from XP, 7 was the successor to XP and 8 is again worse than 7...maybe Windows ... (ADD A ******* NAME, INSTEAD OF A NUMBER, WOULD YOU, MICROSOFT? XP was a nice name - THINK!) will finally be a computer-oriented operating system...maybe.
Otherwise, we'll have to wait for Steve Ballshit to go away and make place for someone worth the salary!
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