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What PCI-Express graphics cards are first generation?

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February 18, 2012 7:26:14 PM

I want to purchase a new graphics card for my Asrock Motherboard, I asked Asrock support which brand should work for my mobo. The response was somewhat confusing:

The Motherboard Asrock G41M-VS3 R2.0 has a 16X PCI-Express slot first generation, and works well with this current generation either be ATI or NVidia, do not install a second generation card because it won't be detected.

I have done my research and it is not clear what graphics cards belong to one generation or another.
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February 18, 2012 7:33:39 PM

Don't worry about it. All second gen pci-e cards work fine in first gen slots, so any card being sold right now should theoretically work. I don't know why Asrock would say that they don't.
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February 18, 2012 7:43:17 PM

if the card doesn't say its pcie2.0 or 2.1 it should be version 1. that is extremely strange though. pcie is backwards compatible and a 2.0 card should work in any pcie1 slot and 2.1 should work with a BIOS update. most likely asrock is either lying so its not their fault if it doesn't work, designed a faulty product that doesn't follow the standard and can't takeva 2.0 cars, or is too lazy to make the BIOS update for 2.1. either way yet more reasons to never buy assrock. you wont find any GPUs worth owning that are version 1 I would just.get a version 2.0 card and ignore them.
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February 18, 2012 8:03:19 PM

My research says this is correct and the other posts are wrong YES pci-express 2.0 is physically able to fit in to a old 1.0 slot. BUT your chip set needs to support it and your board is running g41 which from what I have found does NOT support PCI-E 2.0.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets meaning you would be able to use a PCI-E 2.0 card because your chipset simply doesn't have that feature.
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February 18, 2012 8:06:41 PM

illfindu said:
This link further backs up my statement that his board does NOT support PCI 2.0 it only supports 1.1.
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/mainstr...
yes, but 2.0 or 2.1 cards can operate at 1.1 mode as well, so it isn't a problem
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February 18, 2012 8:08:31 PM

Yes the card can do that but if the bios are updated which they most likely are it will not even recognize the card.
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February 18, 2012 8:10:07 PM

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February 18, 2012 8:13:29 PM

PCI-Express is backwards compatible.

" PCI-SIG announced the availability of the PCI Express Base 2.0 specification on 15 January 2007.[13] The PCIe 2.0 standard doubles the transfer rate compared with PCIe 1.0 to 5 GT/s and the per-lane throughput rises from 250 MB/s to 500 MB/s. This means a 32-lane PCI connector (×32) can support throughput up to 16 GB/s aggregate.

PCIe 2.0 motherboard slots are fully backward compatible with PCIe v1.x cards. PCIe 2.0 cards are also generally backward compatible with PCIe 1.x motherboards, using the available bandwidth of PCI Express 1.1. Overall, graphic cards or motherboards designed for v2.0 will work with the other being v1.1 or v1.0a. "


Even PCI-Express 3 is backwards compatible.

" PCI Express 3.0

PCI Express 3.0 Base specification revision 3.0 was made available in November 2010, after multiple delays. In August 2007, PCI-SIG announced that PCI Express 3.0 would carry a bit rate of 8 gigatransfers per second, and that it would be backwards compatible with existing PCIe implementations. "


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

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February 18, 2012 8:17:22 PM

There are countless newegg and forums posts of people with the same chip set stating there boards will not recognize a 2.0 PCI-E card. I am very aware that a 2.0 card is technically compatible with a 1.0 slot. But this issue seems to be with the chip set and board its self.
There are even several posts on toms hard about there being issues, it seems its due to bad implantation of 1.1 on the board makers part.

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February 18, 2012 8:19:45 PM

PCIe 2.0 motherboard slots are fully backward compatible with PCIe v1.x cards. PCIe 2.0 cards are also generally backward compatible with PCIe 1.x motherboards. lol your highlighted line almost backs up my point more then you'rs the SLOTS are compatible a but as it says they are only GENERALLY compatible with 1.x boards am I say its impossible NO I'm not , but I don't feel its fare to tell some one who might drop 100$+ on a piece of hard ware it will defiantly work when there have been several reports from people saying they had problems.
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February 18, 2012 8:25:15 PM

This sucks, I just bought this new motherboard, and now I have 50% chance that if I buy a Sapphire Radeon HD6770 will not work. In the product page it says: PCI Express 2.1 x16 bus interface.
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February 18, 2012 8:26:21 PM

lonrot said:
This sucks, I just bought this new motherboard, and now I have 50% chance that if I buy a Sapphire Radeon HD6770 will not work. In the product page it says: PCI Express 2.1 x16 bus interface.

so return the board?
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February 18, 2012 9:34:05 PM

1.0 is the first, 2.0 and 2.1 would be the second gen...
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February 18, 2012 9:54:01 PM

Kari said:
1.0 is the first, 2.0 and 2.1 would be the second gen...


This is absurd, Asrock manufactured that motherboard in 2011. How could it be 1.0? :cry: 
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February 18, 2012 10:30:31 PM

lonrot said:
This is absurd, Asrock manufactured that motherboard in 2011. How could it be 1.0? :cry: 

G41 chipset is old... released in 2008
though the better version G43 has pcie 2.0... pcie2.0 came around in late 2007, intel x38 was the first chipset to use it, but yours is the cheapest version so they have cut some corners to make it cheaper (or less appealing)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets
Scroll down to core2 chipsets

edit and g41 uses old ich7 southbridge that has been around from 2005....
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February 19, 2012 6:40:33 PM

Kari said:
G41 chipset is old... released in 2008
though the better version G43 has pcie 2.0... pcie2.0 came around in late 2007, intel x38 was the first chipset to use it, but yours is the cheapest version so they have cut some corners to make it cheaper (or less appealing)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_chipsets
Scroll down to core2 chipsets

edit and g41 uses old ich7 southbridge that has been around from 2005....


Despite the warnings I decided to get a 2.1 PCI-Express Card, PowerColor ATI Radeon HD6850 1 GB DDR5.

Once the card ships I will update this thread to report if the card worked or not.

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February 19, 2012 6:47:37 PM

ok, fingers crossed. :) 
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February 19, 2012 7:16:38 PM

Bit risky, I've had problems with new card, old motherboard.
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March 1, 2012 2:58:28 AM

Hey, the card just came but it didn't include the 6-pin power supply cable. And the power supply doesn't seem to have a connector for it.

My PSU is Xtech, 600 W - 20+4, 4 pins for processor, 3 molex connectors, 1 sata connector, disk connector.








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March 14, 2012 10:23:06 PM

I finally received the cable adapter for PCI, it has two molex in one side, I only connected one and it works great. Despite all the odds I have been working for 4 hours with the new HD 6850 card, and even played Battlefield 3 in ultra settings. It runs super fast. The temp while playing is 80C in desktop 46C. Maybe a bit high, but I heard this card tends to be hot. The power supply is running fine, I hear only the fans spinning.

Bottom line, the Motherboard Asrock G41M-VS3 R2.0 works with PCI 2.1.
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March 15, 2012 2:49:11 AM

Best answer selected by lonrot.
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March 15, 2012 4:12:25 AM

Glad to see it worked out for you. I thought it would!
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April 13, 2013 9:05:51 AM

All this guff about a recent card not being compatible?
Where would you find a pcie 1 card for that board?
You wouldnt. So of course it works with new video cards.
The boards would all be returned as faulty otherwise._The problem can be put down to some non technical person in the promotional department compiling the specification list of the board by simply copying the literature for each component.
Its the paperwork thats incorrect. Does anyone use the overclocking as of 2013?
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April 13, 2013 9:27:34 AM

chriss000 said:
All this guff about a recent card not being compatible?
Where would you find a pcie 1 card for that board?
You wouldnt. So of course it works with new video cards.
The boards would all be returned as faulty otherwise._The problem can be put down to some non technical person in the promotional department compiling the specification list of the board by simply copying the literature for each component.
Its the paperwork thats incorrect. Does anyone use the overclocking as of 2013?


Thread is from March 2012. No need to post in year old threads that have been marked solved.
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April 13, 2013 11:15:45 AM

After a year, I assumed the poster might have tried the o/c facilities. Was more looking for that as might buy this board. Rudeypants.
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