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AMD Phenom X4 9600 or AMD Phenom X4 9600 Black Edition?

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August 9, 2012 3:08:56 PM

I need some advice on what CPU to get for my motherboard. The both are typically the same, but:

AMD Phenom X4 9600: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Phenom%20X4%20960...(HD9600WCGDBOX).html

AMD Phenom X4 9600 Black Edition: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K10/AMD-Phenom%20X4%20960...(HD960ZWCGDBOX).html

As you can see, the only difference between the two is that the Black Edition has a multiplier unlocked. I am not sure what the difference is.. and I dont plan on overclocking my processor, so which would be the more ideal one for me to purchase? Naturally, the first one is cheaper, but if the second one makes a difference, I may get that instead.
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August 9, 2012 3:18:20 PM

The Black edition can be overclocked, the other one can not. If you don't want to overclock ...

As for which one to get: Neither?!? Both are really old CPUs, very outdated even for AMD.

If you want to upgrade and your board only supports those CPUs, your better of upgrading the board, RAM and CPU to new stuff, at once.
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August 9, 2012 3:21:47 PM

Sadly, I cannot afford to upgrade all of them. Even though the stuff is dated, the base for this computer still runs for about 1,000 dollars (And that is without the GTX graphics card that I put into it) As it was before, with older CPU, it could run Skyrim , WoW, and other games like a dream. So.. really, it works for me.
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August 9, 2012 3:21:48 PM

Well to be honest I would get neither. What's your motherboard? If they only support AM2+ CPUs you could get something like the Phenom 9950 or 9850. You don't want to get the older stepping Phenom 1 CPUs without the 50 at the ends (like 9650 rather than 9600) as the older CPUs have an L3 bug which really harms the performance. Also if I remember correctly the older stepping Phenom ones don't OC very well anyway. So get the Phenom 9650 rather than the 9600 if you have to.

But if your board supports AM3 CPUs I would get one of those, they really really really are lightyears ahead of the Phenom 1s.
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August 9, 2012 3:22:35 PM

I have a HP Narra3-GL8E (ASUS M2N68-LA) Motherboard
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August 9, 2012 3:25:51 PM

According to HP Specs for the motherboard:

"Phenom with Quad Core (Agena) technology (AM2+) up to 9600 (up to 95 watt)"

Is the highest upgrade I can go. I might get a new motherboard and so forth in the far future, but for now, I just want to get the computer up and running enough to play WoW and Skyrim, which these should be capable of doing
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August 9, 2012 3:27:49 PM

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"Phenom with Quad Core (Agena) technology (AM2+) up to 9600 (up to 95 watt)"


Right ok I think you can't get the newer stepping CPUs. I would get a new motherboard. There are some good deals on AM2+ boards on ebay that would support DDR2 RAM and AM3 CPUs too. It would also give you new features and would generally be a good upgrade
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August 9, 2012 3:30:52 PM

Since getting a new motherboard would mean I would have to get a new RAM as well, I cannot afford to get those at the moment.. and even more so, I cannot afford the price of a more recent motherboard. What exactly is the bug that the 9600 has?
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August 9, 2012 3:36:52 PM

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Since getting a new motherboard would mean I would have to get a new RAM as well



Not Necessarily. An AM2+ board would use the RAM your PC currently uses yet support AM3 CPUs. AM3 CPUs have a DDR2 and DDR3 memory controller onboard, hence why they work in the AM2+ socket. So you won't need to get new Ram!

Basically the early stepping Phenoms had a bug in the L3 cache which caused crashing. AMD released a workaround that stopped the crashing yet reduced the performance by 10%.
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August 9, 2012 3:43:13 PM

I recently bought a new HP Narra3-GL8E motherboard since my other one got ruined when I was cleaning it, but I'd really hate to think that my money for that would of went to waste. Right now, I am not sure what to do. I have also gotten a brand new AMD Phenom X4 Heatsink Fan to go along with it, but if its really not worth getting....
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August 9, 2012 3:50:57 PM

Don't get an AM2+ board. It's really outdated stuff. BADLY. Besides AMD has less memory bandwidth than intel , sticking with DDR2 on an AM3 CPU will hurt your performance, even if your new CPU is faster than your old one.

Just wait and save up some money. Get a motherboard with a Z77 (or at least a Z68) Intel chipset, a cheap Pentium CPU and 4 GB DDR3 RAM, all of that shouldn't cost you more than 200 bucks at most. But gives you the option to simply throw in a really fast 2500k or similar later on.

Besides, what CPU do you have at the moment?

E: Having wasted money on such an old board is a pity, but don't waste even more money on that system. It's not worth it.

BTW, I'm on a Phenom x4 9750 myself.
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August 9, 2012 3:55:30 PM

None, my computer isn't working period at the moment.. so my main goal is to get it up and working with something decent enough to play Skyrim and WoW. Considering my last CPU was an AMD Phenom X3 8450.. it sounds like a step up, but I'm guessing the bug wasn't present in that CPU?

If I were to get one at all, would getting the 9550 be better than getting the 9600?
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August 9, 2012 4:02:12 PM

I also want to add that I've already been doing 2 weeks worth of saving up to get the motherboard, fan, and CPU. It was better than what my computer had before, and it ran things well enough. I am just basicly saying that I am too far in this already to turn around and throw away 100 dollars worth of stuff.
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August 9, 2012 4:05:00 PM

Ebay got some 9550's for ~55$. If it get's your system back up and running, get one of those ...
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August 9, 2012 4:11:00 PM

What do you think would happen if I threw an AMD Phenom X4 9650 onto it?
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August 9, 2012 4:21:25 PM

If I were to grab an AMD+2 AMD +3 motherboard, what motherboard would you suggest? Or if I could find a AM3 technology and DDR3 ram bundle for cheap..?
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August 9, 2012 4:21:31 PM

The 9650 is a later stepping, which means your mobo won't support it. Just buy the 9600 (or the K if you see it cheaper, but otherwise no point in getting the unlocked one).

You will certainly notice a slight improvement from the 9600 relative to an 8450, so go for it.
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August 9, 2012 4:23:31 PM

Someone said in an above post that the 9600 has an L3 cache bug.
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August 9, 2012 4:24:58 PM

Don't feel too pressured to spend more than you initially planned. Lots of people here are mad keen to get latest-gen stuff. If you weren''t massively annoyed by the performance of you old 8450 why spend loads?
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August 9, 2012 4:25:14 PM

I have the AMD Phenom II X4 B95 at work and my machine is slow as molasses. They run windows xp and all but we develop in java and I can tell you getting something done on my computer takes hours. Its just horrible, not sure if its the processor or that they just threw in 8gb or ram that XP can't even be used. Its used as a virtual drive though.
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August 9, 2012 4:30:58 PM

Foxtai said:
Someone said in an above post that the 9600 has an L3 cache bug.


But this simply leads to a minor slow-down once the bug was fixed. Given that the 9600 is 10% faster per core than the 8450 (2.3 vs 2.1 GHz), but has an extra core, you should see equal or better performance.

Strange that your mobo accepts the 8450 as that is the later B3 stepping.....makes you wonder about whether the 9550/9650 might work.
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August 9, 2012 4:32:59 PM

Does anyone know if the 9650 will work on it? If so, I might actually consider getting that instead. The 8450 came standard with my computer when I bought it.
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August 9, 2012 4:35:47 PM

Also, if I were to upgrade to a very good, new motherboard that has AM3+... what would you all suggest?
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August 9, 2012 5:42:49 PM

If you'd bought a new AM3+ board you couldn't use a phenom x4 on it, since it's not downward compatible. You'd have to get a Phenom II X4 ... and DDR3 RAM. So while you are on it, you could as well just do what I suggested above already: Do it right and go Intel ...
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August 9, 2012 10:14:33 PM

You guys are not going to believe this, but someone actually managed to get a Phenom II X4 945 (95W model, HDX945WFK4DGM) to work on the Narra3 motherboard, though it says that it doesn't recognize the CPU, it is still fully functional. It really makes me wonder...

http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Desktop-Hardware/Changing-...

Think this is legit?
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August 10, 2012 12:07:27 AM

Foxtai said:
You guys are not going to believe this, but someone actually managed to get a Phenom II X4 945 (95W model, HDX945WFK4DGM) to work on the Narra3 motherboard, though it says that it doesn't recognize the CPU, it is still fully functional. It really makes me wonder...

http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Desktop-Hardware/Changing-...

Think this is legit?


It's technically compatible with your motherboard, AMD made socket AM3 processors backward compatible with AM2+ motherboards, it's all a matter of if the BIOS recognizes and can use it. So if you've got someone on the net saying it worked for them, it will probably work for you too, but I'd still consider it a bit risky as to if it'll work or not.
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August 10, 2012 12:38:08 AM

Foxtai said:
You guys are not going to believe this, but someone actually managed to get a Phenom II X4 945 (95W model, HDX945WFK4DGM) to work on the Narra3 motherboard, though it says that it doesn't recognize the CPU, it is still fully functional. It really makes me wonder...

http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Desktop-Hardware/Changing-...

Think this is legit?


I did a little research and there seems to be sufficient evidence to say that the Phenom II X4 945 does work in your motherboard. You must be sure to get the 95 watt version though.

You can buy it now at tigerdirect for $99.99

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

It's kind of an old CPU but it is still a very good chip. It's currently your best option that has been fully tested and unofficially confirmed to work with your board.

If you do happen to see that the CPU is not working you can return it to Tigerdirect and get a refund if you are within the 30 return period.
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August 10, 2012 12:41:09 AM

I am going to try and see if I can get the AMD Phenom II X4 950 working on the motherboard. it looks to be AMD2+ compatible, but there will only be one way to find out. If the 940 works on it, is there a good chance the 950 will?
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August 10, 2012 12:54:04 AM

Foxtai said:
I am going to try and see if I can get the AMD Phenom II X4 950 working on the motherboard. it looks to be AMD2+ compatible, but there will only be one way to find out. If the 940 works on it, is there a good chance the 950 will?

Technically any 95 watt AM3 CPU should work if the Phenom II X4 945 does work. So I do believe that the Phenom II X4 955 might work. The Phenom II X4 940 is a 125 Watt CPU so you can't install that. Also there is no Phenom II X4 950. Make sure you get a 95 Watt AM3 CPU if you plan on trying this. Also don't forget to post the results. I'm curious to see if a Phenom II X4 955 would work. I'm sure other people with your board would appreciate you posting the results.
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August 10, 2012 2:31:16 PM

Those aren't true Phenom II's but are actually re-branded Athlon II's. It would still be a good upgrade for you though. You just won't get the added benefit of an L3 cache. At its default clock speed of 3.3GHz the Phenom II X4 850 should perform like a Phenom II X4 945 3.0GHz in most situations. In rare instances the Phenom II x4 945 will really outperform the 850 by a good margin due to its L3 cache.
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August 10, 2012 6:37:00 PM

So it seems the board will work for it. Thanks a bunch man, you've brightened my day :)  But still, I will give clarification if it does or does not.
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August 10, 2012 8:49:08 PM

Majestic One said:
everywhere i looked it says the op mobo is an AM2 board - but here HP says it is an AM3 95W max board:
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Desktop-Hardware/PEGATRON-...

I just wanted to clarify that this motherboard actually is a socket AM2 motherboard. It's not an AM3 socket motherboard. The absolute only reason that AM3 processors do work is because AMD made it possible for AM2 boards to be forward compatible with AM2+ and AM3 socket processors. It is the bios that actually gives AMD processors their model numbers. The bios in the op's motherboard can't give the CPU a model number because it only knows how to name AM2 CPU's. It is common for AM3 CPU's to work in AM2 motherboards but they usually require a bios update. It is kind of amazing to see that this motherboard doesn't require a bios update to run newer cpu's. It's not the first time I've heard of this type of thing happening though.
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August 11, 2012 10:40:25 PM

Quick questions. I finally got my cpu and heatsink/fan and I took it out of the box. They came seperate, but when I turned the heatsink over I accidently touched the area where the CPU goes and it has a slight sticky substance on it. Would that be the factory heatsink compound and is it still okay to use even if I touched it a little?
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August 11, 2012 10:42:24 PM

Apparently it does have pre-applied thermal paste. Is it still okay? >w<
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August 11, 2012 10:47:44 PM

Did any of it come off? It should still be ok. If you notice your temps getting too high you can still apply new thermal compound. It will be safe to try it out.

EDIT: If you have to reapply thermal compund make sure to remove all the old thermal compound first.
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August 11, 2012 10:49:17 PM

I have yet to put it in. I have to pull out my old mother board and put the new one in, but even then, I dont know how I can read the temps
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August 11, 2012 10:50:06 PM

You should be able to see temps in the bios. In windows you can use H/W monitor.
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August 11, 2012 10:57:20 PM

I have come to my first problem it seems. I got my CPU and Fan/heat sink set in, but when I went to plug the power slot into the Motherboard..... the motherboard only has 3 prongs, and the fan has 4 holes. What now?
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August 11, 2012 11:00:38 PM

It can fit in 3 of the holes, but that leaves 1 hole not fitted and open. Is this okay to do?
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August 11, 2012 11:08:08 PM

I've plugged many fans in that way. It will be fine.
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August 11, 2012 11:12:33 PM

Just be sure you plug it into where it says CPU fan and not sys fan. The sys fan area is for the case fan.
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August 12, 2012 12:28:46 AM

I got everything plugged in but it seems that its not booting up (or at least the screen is staying in sleep mode). I am fairly certain all the plugs are in the right places, so the CPU might not be working on the motherboard. Your thoughts?
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August 12, 2012 12:32:04 AM

I have an Intel Pentium 4 Dual Core (2.9 GHz). Do you think that may work as a temp CPU to update the BIOS?
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August 12, 2012 12:39:36 AM

I'm a little confused here. Aren't you using an AM2 motherboard with an AM3 CPU? You can't put an Intel CPU in an AMD motherboard.

Exactly what have you done?
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August 12, 2012 12:41:12 AM

I'm using an AM2 motherboard. If intel wont work in it, then no worries. I am not sure what to do at this point.
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August 12, 2012 12:51:45 AM

Is everything properly connected? Make sure your monitor is connected to your video card and not the integrated graphics port. Make sure your RAM is seated properly. Make sure everything that needs power is connected to your power supply. Also be sure you plugged your CPU fan into the CPU_FAN header and not the SYS_FAN header. If you plug your cpu fan into the wrong place your computer might not boot.

You can put your Phenom X4 9600 back into the socket in order to test out your motherboard if you need to. This is assuming that you still have that CPU.
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August 12, 2012 12:53:57 AM

I didn't get it. I will probably have to get the AMD Phenom X3 8450 since I know that will work on it.
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August 12, 2012 1:30:06 AM

Foxtai said:
I didn't get it. I will probably have to get the AMD Phenom X3 8450 since I know that will work on it.

Do the fans spin up when the computer is powered on?

Do you actually have everything you need to use the motherboard? Including RAM? If I could see exactly how everything is installed I could be more helpful. I actually had thought this was a motherboard you were already using until I read some of the older posts.

When you build a new computer sometimes things don't work right away and it's not always easy to figure out why. If you just had an older AM2 CPU to test out your motherboard you could see if the CPU is the problem. As you know... That motherboard wasn't guaranteed to work with an AM3 CPU. We had just saw where people had been able to get a Phenom II X4 945 working in it.
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