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April 27, 2012 6:44:56 PM

Hello there,


I am trying to build a Gaming Desktop Computer ( Mainly to play Diablo 3, Dota 2, Guild Wars 2).

Budget Range:My budget is around $1000 CAD. ( +/- 100).

Approximate Purchase Date: Plan to purchase it within the next 5 days.

Parts Not Required: monitor, speakers, keyboard, mouse,OS


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: ncix.ca (ALL parts below are from "build your computer" section, newegg, tigerdirect, canadacomputers


Country: I live in Canada ( so most likely I will purchase it from vendors located in Canada).

Parts Preferences: Intel CPU not AMD, and preferably ASUS motherboard

SLI or Crossfire: I plan to use perhaps CrossfireX technology and get another graphic card in the future ( that is why 850W power supply).

Overcloking: possibly in the future( or now if better performance are required playing these games, which i don't know exactly).

Monitor Resolution: Gaming: 1920x1080 ( if possible) , Desktop/Normal 1280x1024, my monitor is widescreen 16:9


So far I have come up with this setup( ALL items are selected from NCIX.ca 'PC Builder') :
http://pc.ncix.com/pcbuilder/index.php?action=getprice&...




$109.98
1 x Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 7200.12 1TB SATA 32MB Cache 3.5IN Internal Hard Drive OEM


$239.99
1 x Intel Core i5 2500K Quad Core Unlocked Processor LGA1155 3.3GHZ Sandy Bridge 6MB


$74.99
1 x Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H60 High Performance CPU Cooler System LGA1155 LGA1366 LGA1156 AM2 AM3

$160.98
1 x ASUS P8Z77-V LX Z77 ATX LGA1155 DDR3 CrossFireX 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 SATA3 DVI HDMI USB3.0 Motherboard

$24.98
1 x ASUS DRW-24B1ST 24X SATA DVD Writer OEM Black

$56.98
1 x Kingston HyperX KHX1600C9D3X2K2/8GX 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9 Dual Channel Memory Kit


$168.72
1 x AMD Radeon HD 6850 775MHZ 1GB GDDR5 4.0GHZ PCI-E 2 X DVI HDMI Display Port


$59.99
1 x Antec One Mid-Tower Gaming ATX Case Black 3X5.25 5X3.5 2X2.5 Front USB3.0 Top Rear 120MM Fans
No PSU


$139.98
1 x Coolermaster Silent Pro 850W Modular Power Supply SLI ATX12V 24PIN Active PFC PCI-E 135mm Fan



Current Total Price Everything (includes taxes and shipping( which is $5) and $50 assemble) is around : $1090

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Any suggestions/advice if someone can give/provide on the items I have listed, if they are good or bad?

And also for the motherboard, I am unsure. ( I stick with ASUS as they are known company with regards to quality motherboards)
There is the P8Z77-M, P8Z77-M PRO, P8Z77-V LE, P8Z77-V LX ( I was thinking between the last 2 but cannot decide what exactly is their weaknesses and strengths compared to one another).

I know some people would say go with P8Z77-V,P8Z77-V PRO, P8Z77-V DELUXE, SABERTOOTH Z77,
but these boards are more expensive and at the moment cannot fit them inside the budget.

Another thing is with upcoming release of Ivy Bridge processors ( I believe they can be connected to LGA 1155 sockets) would be better to grab a "better" motherboard.

Thank you for your help!



EDIT: Also should I wait for Ivy Bridge Processors and not get the i5-2500k, but I read that April 23 or 24, 2012 was supposed to be the launch of Intel's Ivy Bridge however I cannot seem to find to buy them anywhere, only able to find the expected prices from wikipedia.
Perhaps I should wait( if its available in the close future i.e. most 1 month) to get the i5-3570K?

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a b 4 Gaming
April 27, 2012 7:20:45 PM

You can get a 6870 for that same graphics card budget instead of the 6850. Your chosen games are fairly graphically weak games, so 1080p shouldn't be a problem for the 6870, but it might be for the 6850.

Get a Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo or Cooler Master Hyper 212+ instead of that water cooling setup. Either one can be found between a half and a third of the price of that water cooler and both of them can hit ~4.5GHz overclocks on Intel's Sandy/Ivy Bridge CPUs.

Get Corsair or G.Skill memory instead of Kingston. Corsair and G.Skill are the best memory brands and I hear about FAR more problems (especially DOA or compatibility problems) with Kingston than Corsair and G.Skill.

Ivy Bridge is best for people who aren't trying to get the absolute highest overclocks. Ivy i5s and i7s should hit 4GHz or slightly above at very low voltage, but going beyond that has huge diminishing returns, far greater than Sandy, so they don't really overclock better when pushed to their limits. Ivy also runs kinda hot compared to Sandy when it's pushed to it's limits. I suspect that this is because although it has a smaller die size and such from the die shrink, it is getting to the point where it generates too much heat in too small of a size for the coolers to remove the heat as well as they would with something that generates more heat, but spread out over a larger chip. This means that although Ivy uses less power, it can still run hotter than Sandy.

Ivy isn't out yet because it was delayed. It will be out soon. Ivy will work in P67, Z67, H67, and H61 motherboards, in addition to the newer LGA 1155 x7x chipsets such as Z77.

Wait for Ivy if you're not a huge overclocker (you don't seem to be). Ivy has slightly higher IPC than Sandy (but only slightly) and the power usage advantage, so it's a little cheaper over time than Sandy will be (although it won't be a huge difference like the difference between Sandy and AMD's chips).
April 27, 2012 10:05:11 PM

If I get the:

Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 LGA1366/1155/1156/2011 120MM

on board:

ASUS P8Z77-V LE ATX LGA1155 Z77 DDR3 2PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 3PCI SATA3 DVI HDMI DP USB3.0 Motherboard

will I be able to fit in the graphic card at the PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 slot?:

AMD Radeon HD 6870 900MHZ 1GB GDDR5 4.2GHZ PCI-E 2 X DVI HDMI 2 X Mini Display Port



AS I read that the fan(the whole coolermaster) is huge:
http://www.ncix.com/products/?mode=productreviewread&pr...
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a b 4 Gaming
April 27, 2012 10:27:09 PM

Video card no problem but your ram might be. Can't go wrong with the vengeance low profile.

The IB chips should go on sale this Sunday (29 Apr). I agree with blazorthon--if not planning on a OC more than 4.2-ish then will be worth the wait.
a b 4 Gaming
April 27, 2012 10:33:59 PM

one tip before you pull the trigger on the ram check to so that it been tested.most mb vendors have a tested memory page on the mb listings.
a b 4 Gaming
April 27, 2012 11:11:57 PM

Crucial has lower failure rates than either G.Skill or Corsair.
a b 4 Gaming
April 30, 2012 7:14:02 PM

azeem40 said:
Crucial has lower failure rates than either G.Skill or Corsair.


Not really. Also, Crucial is usually more expensive and/or lower performance. Corsair and G.Skill will replace any faulty kit for free, so failure rates don't even matter, but they are all effectively as close to zero as reasonably possible.
a b 4 Gaming
April 30, 2012 7:14:41 PM

Actually, yes, really. I have had Crucial RAM for years and it hasn't failed on me yet.
a b 4 Gaming
April 30, 2012 7:39:35 PM

FREE SHIPPING for this entire order! Direct Canada is out of Richmond, BC and offers free ground shipping on any order over $50 CAD.

That Asus board down below is meant for dual vid cards. It runs dual cards @ x8 & x8. This build gives you PCI-E 3.0, etc... you good to go.

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11130AC0700&v... $59.23
Coolermaster Haf 912 Black Mid Tower ATX Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 6X3.5INT No PS Front USB Sound

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15180AC8566&v... $78.50
XFX 650W PRO650W Core Edition Single Rail ATX 12V 53A 24PIN ATX Power Supply 80PLUS Bronze PSU

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681... $154.99 FREE SHIPPING
ASUS P8Z77-V LK LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70541&vpn=BX80637I53570K&... $238.99
Intel Core i5 3570K Unlocked Quad Core Processor LGA1155 3.4GHZ Ivy Bridge 6MB Retail

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11130AC0554&v... $31.05
Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 LGA1366/1155/1156/2011 120MM

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15380BD5211&v... $48.09
G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Memory

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14120DR5445&v... $111.30
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200RPM 64MB SATA 6Gbps 3.5IN Internal Hard Drive - OEM

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530DR5213&v... $19.24
ASUS DRW-24B1ST 24X SATA DVD Writer OEM Black

http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD5564&v... $249.85
ASUS Radeon HD 7850 860MHZ 2GB 4.8GHZ GDDR5 DVI HDMI 2XMINIDP PCI-E Video Card

Total: $991.33
a b 4 Gaming
April 30, 2012 9:29:38 PM

azeem40 said:
Actually, yes, really. I have had Crucial RAM for years and it hasn't failed on me yet.


Some people always assume that their experience must be representative of everyone's experience... So, have you had several Corsair and G.Skill kits as well and compared them all to the Crucial kits to actually have a semi-valid way of fining out which is more reliable? Have you gone online and ensured that your experience was similar to the most common experiences?

In that sense, have you had Corsair and G.Skill kits that repetitively failed on you?
a b 4 Gaming
April 30, 2012 9:35:05 PM

Why_Me's build looks great. Only input I have is the ASRock Z77 Extreme4 is very similar to the Asus LK but has more phases of power (hard to tell if that matters in real life tho) and is $10 cheaper. Think that Asus board is great regardless.
a b 4 Gaming
April 30, 2012 9:41:35 PM

J_E_D_70 said:
Why_Me's build looks great. Only input I have is the ASRock Z77 Extreme4 is very similar to the Asus LK but has more phases of power (hard to tell if that matters in real life tho) and is $10 cheaper. Think that Asus board is great regardless.

This is a Canadian build.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/343928-31-gaming-syst... $189.99 + $12.24 Shipping
ASRock Z77 Extreme4 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
a b 4 Gaming
April 30, 2012 9:44:27 PM

Great Scott! Got mine yesterday as a combo with a 3570K. Mobo was $90 and CPU as $190 (USD). By all means get the Asus - no idea why that would be so much more there.
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