I thought this was kinda odd when i read this on a few forums, and it seems to be a theme.
People who claim to be hard core overclockers are waiting for the new DFI AM2 board with 590 chipset. They talk about how they were thinking about getting core 2 duo, but now that this board is coming out they will probably switch to AMD. Now i can't understand this reasoning unless they are considering something i'll get to in a minute.
I consider AMD, even though i like them, as budget at the moment. They can only compete at the low-mid range, and mid range is a trade off between overclockers and non. So for these "extreme" overclcokers it seem contradictory to by a budget chip and not overclock much more than has already been done. Especially when people with x6800's are getting like 4.5ghz and stuff. The highest i've seen an FX-62 get is about 3.1ghz and i don't think this board will change that. Now i do understand that this board makes overclocking easier, but again results and intel ...
The ONLY reason i can think of is that they are considering down the road with K8L and such, and that this board will help then but none of them mentioned that.
My point is that this seems to be a big selling point for AM2 for people i assumed would have bought intel no questions asked. I'm asking for some sort of reason
PS. Please don't flame me about the title, it seems fair to me.
That is definitely possible. DFI became synonymous with enthusiast. They have the best OC boards of all manufs even Abit. Plus, with nForce 590 you can get a factory OC on the PCIe, RAM and HT.
Corsair has DDR2 that runs easily at 1200MHz and have recently released RAM @ 1120MHz stock @ CAS4.
Everyone know sthat AM2 is more sensitive and responds better to the higher clocks and lower latency. Core 2 seems to have a finite limit on increases with faster RAM.
I would say that people would love to go K8L, but unfortunately for them K8L will NOT BE ON THE DESKTP EXCEPT IN FX class. People will though be able to go with the BullDozer desktop model swhich should debut around the same time as K8L.
I'm surprised they haven't talked about tape out for it since its a dual cor K8L.
Anyway, I don't find it surprising that people are staying with or moving to AMD. They have been the enthusiasts choic for the last 2-3 years. DFI didn't exist before FX55, I believe. They came out of nowhere with t he best OC board and anybody who considered themselves a tweaker went out and bought them.
They even outdid their nVidia board with their CrossFire board ( in terms of max bus speed and max clock).
AMD is still the choice until more mobos are available for Core 2. There is only ONE SLIx16 board on Newegg and it is well above $200. The average Core 2 board has only one PCI x16 and many don't support higher than DDR2 667.
That will not attract enthusisats. They don't even have support for the SLI RAM so AMD will continue to gain enthusiast share.
And I also saw an HP X2 4200+ 2GB RAM, 200GB HDD, 5in1, DVDLightscribe, etc for
$599
Now we all know that AMD rules below E6400 and that you can get a greater increase from AM2 OC, though the same OC may keep the Core 2 ahead.
Woah!! After going through that post my boots are soo full of bull sh!t I'm having a hard time cleaning it off. It's like watching the O'Reilly factor during the Malmedy Massacre fiasco.
Good thing is I will set it all straight, bad thing is I have to go home.. works over. But as soon as I get home I'll set this all straight...
Well you ought to recognize BS. But all of that is true. if you doubt, link. You know you're just jealous cause you're a little cog in a little wheel.
A Cog in a wheel eh? And yes I do recognize BS.. as it's all I see you post..
Lol
Anyway, I don't find it surprising that people are staying with or moving to AMD. They have been the enthusiasts choic for the last 2-3 years. DFI didn't exist before FX55, I believe. They came out of nowhere with t he best OC board and anybody who considered themselves a tweaker went out and bought them.
According to local PC stores PC Cyber and ShopRBC enthusiasts are NOT staying with AMD. The only people staying with AMD are fanboys (much like some fanboys of Intel stayed with the Pentium D *vomits*). So the term "people" should be changed to "fanboys".
AMD is still the choice until more mobos are available for Core 2. There is only ONE SLIx16 board on Newegg and it is well above $200. The average Core 2 board has only one PCI x16 and many don't support higher than DDR2 667.
Another piece of mis-information. The only boards that only support up to DDR2-667 are budget boards. They're not what tweakers and Enthusiasts use...lol. You go on to praise DFI on the AMD side (high end boards) but then claim that the majority of Intel boards do not support basic features (and you look to the budget boards as proof). Me thinks you're selectively choosing here. It's pretty obvious.
That will not attract enthusisats. They don't even have support for the SLI RAM so AMD will continue to gain enthusiast share.
SLI Ram is nothing more then a marketing name for quicker memory access among other things. All nVIDIA nForce 5 series (570/590) can technically support it. It's up to the board maker to implement it. As there is NO REAL DEMAND for it.. it's barely implemented. It's actually quite useless.
Now we all know that AMD rules below E6400 and that you can get a greater increase from AM2 OC, though the same OC may keep the Core 2 ahead.
And how exactly does AMD rule the Core 2 Duo E6300? What AMD CPU in the Core 2 Duo E6300's price range matches it's performance, overclocking ability, power consumption and all around feature set? Common let's hear it..
(E6300 performs about on par with an AMD Athlon64 X2 4600+).
Now as far as your claim that Intel Core 2 Duo doesn't scale well with RAM speeds.. it depends. You see it's not that AMD's K8 AM2 scales well.. it's that it has a POOR DDR-II Memory controller implementation. It needs PC2 6400 just to keep up with a socket 939 PC 3200 system. Therefore the more bandwidth you give it the closer it comes to being able to reach it's potential.
Core 2 Duo can also scale well given it's provided with a wider FSB. Intel's next 1333MHz FSB should rectify this. Again.. careful how you word things.